To remove the minor c-bug? C-bug is already removed, in my opinion I find it rather absurd what you are saying.
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To remove the minor c-bug? C-bug is already removed, in my opinion I find it rather absurd what you are saying.
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To remove the minor c-bug? C-bug is already removed, in my opinion I find it rather absurd what you are saying.
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It is rarely used by players with a low ping, since the risk of being sawn or severely damaged while crouching is obvious. However, players with some more significant lag are taking great advantage of the minor c-bug, as it's much harder to damage them or get them stuck to the chainsaw while crouching-standing up because of their laggy movements.
I suggest to disallow the minor c-bug in order to minimize inequalities between players when it comes to their connection.
Yes please remove minor cbug ! +1
Poll added, vote and we'll take it from there. (Much easier than reading through all the comments :) )
Poll added, vote and we'll take it from there. (Much easier than reading through all the comments :) )Fair enough!
I don't want new or more rules to limit my fighting style, this is GTA, accept it as it is. It's not a bug to begin with, you just don't like bugs and anything similar to them, well I respect that but me and more players don't like your suggestion. So noFor the first time in my life, I support you.
I don't want new or more rules to limit my fighting style, this is GTA, accept it as it is. It's not a bug to begin with, you just don't like bugs and anything similar to them, well I respect that but me and more players don't like your suggestion. So no
Let me tell you a fact about this game, the whole “bug” or texture “glitching” thing was first used to limit players abilities on how they play the game because they were experienced enough to out-play or out-smart the ones who couldn't keep up with it or didn't know how to do it.#I like all what finisher said or what he will say in tha future !
I agree texture glitching to be forbidden even though it exists in the game for a reason, its just how San Andreas is.
But on the other hand, “bugs” such as cbug/2shooting/no reload/slide bug etc.. They are part of the game, you can't remove them, you shouldn't mess with how San Andreas works fighting abilities work, but over the years it became an obsession for some servers which had them forbidden while the other servers just see it as built in San Andreas abilities and doesn't limit their players whether they should or not use them.
I've always hated this idea of “fuck bugs, abuse bugs not allowed” .. Its how the game works, play it, like it or not, enjoy it. Don't make excuses such as “oh I don't like bugs” well its part of the game.
Now in this server, most of the so called “bugs” are forbidden while it only allows a few of them, why the fuck would you do that?
No reload is allowed, jumping to avoid hp loss due to fire is allowed, the sawnoff no reload is allowed (4shot) which was a sick pain in the ass for most of “bugs haters” since the beggening of life...
Either allow all bugs, or forbid all bugs. Don't make it fifty fifty because nobody likes it. This is a fighting gamemode you fuck tards, if you want freeroam go play roleplay
THE TRUTH HAS BEEN SAID, Fuck everyone who doesn't want to believe it
Either allow all bugs, or forbid all bugs. Don't make it fifty fifty because nobody likes it.
Let me tell you a fact about this game, the whole “bug” or texture “glitching” thing was first used to limit players abilities on how they play the game because they were experienced enough to out-play or out-smart the ones who couldn't keep up with it or didn't know how to do it.Well said finisher, I'm with you 100%
I agree texture glitching to be forbidden even though it exists in the game for a reason, its just how San Andreas is.
But on the other hand, “bugs” such as cbug/2shooting/no reload/slide bug etc.. They are part of the game, you can't remove them, you shouldn't mess with how San Andreas works fighting abilities work, but over the years it became an obsession for some servers which had them forbidden while the other servers just see it as built in San Andreas abilities and doesn't limit their players whether they should or not use them.
I've always hated this idea of “fuck bugs, abuse bugs not allowed” .. Its how the game works, play it, like it or not, enjoy it. Don't make excuses such as “oh I don't like bugs” well its part of the game.
Now in this server, most of the so called “bugs” are forbidden while it only allows a few of them, why the fuck would you do that?
No reload is allowed, jumping to avoid hp loss due to fire is allowed, the sawnoff no reload is allowed (4shot) which was a sick pain in the ass for most of “bugs haters” since the beggening of life...
Either allow all bugs, or forbid all bugs. Don't make it fifty fifty because nobody likes it. This is a fighting gamemode you fuck tards, if you want freeroam go play roleplay
THE TRUTH HAS BEEN SAID, Fuck everyone who doesn't want to believe it
I want minigun too
Let me tell you a fact about this game, the whole “bug” or texture “glitching” thing was first used to limit players abilities on how they play the game because they were experienced enough to out-play or out-smart the ones who couldn't keep up with it or didn't know how to do it.
I agree texture glitching to be forbidden even though it exists in the game for a reason, its just how San Andreas is.
But on the other hand, “bugs” such as cbug/2shooting/no reload/slide bug etc.. They are part of the game, you can't remove them, you shouldn't mess with how San Andreas works fighting abilities work, but over the years it became an obsession for some servers which had them forbidden while the other servers just see it as built in San Andreas abilities and doesn't limit their players whether they should or not use them.
I've always hated this idea of “fuck bugs, abuse bugs not allowed” .. Its how the game works, play it, like it or not, enjoy it. Don't make excuses such as “oh I don't like bugs” well its part of the game.
Now in this server, most of the so called “bugs” are forbidden while it only allows a few of them, why the fuck would you do that?
No reload is allowed, jumping to avoid hp loss due to fire is allowed, the sawnoff no reload is allowed (4shot) which was a sick pain in the ass for most of “bugs haters” since the beggening of life...
Either allow all bugs, or forbid all bugs. Don't make it fifty fifty because nobody likes it. This is a fighting gamemode you fuck tards, if you want freeroam go play roleplay
THE TRUTH HAS BEEN SAID, Fuck everyone who doesn't want to believe it
I want minigun too
Translate : Can't think of anything in order to reply to Finisher, I still want to increase my post count and look funny and gain some attention. </3
Ege blew two hundred dicks :DTwo hundred and one actually :P
Whatever we say, they will eliminate it: cLet me tell you a fact about this game, the whole “bug” or texture “glitching” thing was first used to limit players abilities on how they play the game because they were experienced enough to out-play or out-smart the ones who couldn't keep up with it or didn't know how to do it.
I agree texture glitching to be forbidden even though it exists in the game for a reason, its just how San Andreas is.
But on the other hand, “bugs” such as cbug/2shooting/no reload/slide bug etc.. They are part of the game, you can't remove them, you shouldn't mess with how San Andreas works fighting abilities work, but over the years it became an obsession for some servers which had them forbidden while the other servers just see it as built in San Andreas abilities and doesn't limit their players whether they should or not use them.
I've always hated this idea of “fuck bugs, abuse bugs not allowed” .. Its how the game works, play it, like it or not, enjoy it. Don't make excuses such as “oh I don't like bugs” well its part of the game.
Now in this server, most of the so called “bugs” are forbidden while it only allows a few of them, why the fuck would you do that?
No reload is allowed, jumping to avoid hp loss due to fire is allowed, the sawnoff no reload is allowed (4shot) which was a sick pain in the ass for most of “bugs haters” since the beggening of life...
Either allow all bugs, or forbid all bugs. Don't make it fifty fifty because nobody likes it. This is a fighting gamemode you fuck tards, if you want freeroam go play roleplay
THE TRUTH HAS BEEN SAID, Fuck everyone who doesn't want to believe it
I agree on getting all the bugs allowed again as Finisher said it is part of the game. Especially C-Bug, it helps a poor non-VIP civilain to gain balls and fight against 2-3 terrorists(although it's easy for me :P).
What I want to say his, if Jonne and staff agrees on getting bugs allowed, they can try it for a month and see the players reaction and staff's reaction on reports and stuff. If you plot a graph, you will see that the reports about bugs are decreasing. Players happy, admins happy, everyone happy. Fair enough.
JUST GET THE FUCKING BUGS ALLOWED AGAIN.
Let me tell you a fact about this game, the whole “bug” or texture “glitching” thing was first used to limit players abilities on how they play the game because they were experienced enough to out-play or out-smart the ones who couldn't keep up with it or didn't know how to do it.There is nothing about "outplaying" or "outsmarting". Some people know about the bug, some do not, that's it. It's like playing chess game when one of the opponents knows about castling, and another one does not. So, would the first one outsmart the second one when he takes castling into consideration in his plans (and thus gets advantage), while the second one builds his game without it? I doubt it.
I agree texture glitching to be forbidden even though it exists in the game for a reason, its just how San Andreas is.
But on the other hand, “bugs” such as cbug/2shooting/no reload/slide bug etc.. They are part of the game...
Either allow all bugs, or forbid all bugs. Don't make it fifty fifty because nobody likes it.You contradict yourself. And it won't work this way anyways. If all of the bugs were forbidden, you wouldn't play for 5 minutes without getting banned, like any other player. GTA SA was not supposed to be multiplayer. Like you correctly stated, the game consists of bugs. Likewise, if all of the bugs were allowed,
Altus, we always expect you to vote + in Mia's topic. You were not forced to write such a big explanation.
Minor cbus is actually not a bug in my opinion, it's just a crouch and shoot.
Allow all bugs like it was back in 2009.
Allow taxi bug, mtb bug, forklift bug nd other stunting bugs.
I think it's very important to deal with bugs in a reasonable and clear way. In the old PTP it wasn't always clear what we considered bugs, one admin would consider something a bug, while another admin wouldn't and it only confused the players. People thought certain bugs were allowed and then were suddenly banned for it (for example, switching to reload). So, we decided to, instead of forbidding all bugs, focus on a couple of bugs (2-shooting, c-bug and slide bug) which we thought were the most well known and gave the most advantage. This prevents a lot of questions and a lot of confusion, people don't have to ask admins anymore if a bug is allowed or not.Sure thing. We don't need no witchhunt and bugs inquisition where each inquisitor has his own opinion about what is allowed and what is not. The point is, we are trying to modify the convention to prohibit one bug more which is unwanted by a lot of players (according to the current vote results).
Another big part of this is that these bugs are easily preventable with scripts. New people don't even have to read the rules on what's allowed or not, if they try to C-bug or 2-shoot, they'll get automatically warned, so they're immediately aware that they can't use that bug. We no longer have to deal with reports about bug abusing, which also saves us a lot of time. I think with the "minor" C-bug, we'll have a lot of 'grey zone' (at what point is it bug abuse?). Some people just might just crouch once, maybe stay crouched and get up again for the last shot, so they'll have fired 2 shots in a shorter time. Or they'll crouch and get up again, to move to another place. Anyway, I think that we'll just end up with a lot more confusion, people that don't know about the rule or what exactly it's about, and just a lot more reports over something that only gives you a little bit of an advantage.Of course if you decide to add it, it must be made scriptwise. There shouldn't be no reports and additional punishments but a message popping up and maybe kick after 6th warning (or even without it) - just like with c-bug and 2-shot. As for 'grey' zone... Once again, if a player receives the warning box, it is his punishment already, he is stuck and he is vulnerable at this moment. If he doesn't receive it, then everything is fine. To avoid situations when an innocent player is 'punished', track it up to 3 shots: shoot - crouch|get up - shoot - get up|crouch - shoot - crouch|get up. I guess it is pretty clear, and there won't be much confusion.
I don't think it's a good idea to disallow the "minor" c-bug. I think it's very important to deal with bugs in a reasonable and clear way. In the old PTP it wasn't always clear what we considered bugs, one admin would consider something a bug, while another admin wouldn't and it only confused the players. People thought certain bugs were allowed and then were suddenly banned for it (for example, switching to reload). So, we decided to, instead of forbidding all bugs, focus on a couple of bugs (2-shooting, c-bug and slide bug) which we thought were the most well known and gave the most advantage. This prevents a lot of questions and a lot of confusion, people don't have to ask admins anymore if a bug is allowed or not.Very well said jonne 8)
Another big part of this is that these bugs are easily preventable with scripts. New people don't even have to read the rules on what's allowed or not, if they try to C-bug or 2-shoot, they'll get automatically warned, so they're immediately aware that they can't use that bug. We no longer have to deal with reports about bug abusing, which also saves us a lot of time. I think with the "minor" C-bug, we'll have a lot of 'grey zone' (at what point is it bug abuse?). Some people just might just crouch once, maybe stay crouched and get up again for the last shot, so they'll have fired 2 shots in a shorter time. Or they'll crouch and get up again, to move to another place. Anyway, I think that we'll just end up with a lot more confusion, people that don't know about the rule or what exactly it's about, and just a lot more reports over something that only gives you a little bit of an advantage.
This was just my personal opinion on it. I'll lock the voting Sunday at midnight (GMT+1), and we'll go with the option that was voted for the most.
Since c-bug is prohibited, minor c-bug should be removed as well, because basically they are the same. You skip deagle recoil animation to shoot faster. My vote is "yes".
Minor c-bug causes this much drama because some people think it's "overpowered" ? the same people who use driveby combat shotgun all the time, but it's not overpowered when they like it.Deagle is op too let's remove it
What a failure of a suggestion to end with a poll, while combat shotgun is the most overpowered shit you have, can I make a suggestion to remove combat shotgun now?
Deagle is op too let's remove it
I mean remove the whole weapon :D cuz every player has own suggestDeagle is op too let's remove it
This whole topic/suggestion has been made for the excuse of "deagle is overpowered. not the minor cbug" :)
Minor c-bug causes this much drama because some people think it's "overpowered" ? the same people who use driveby combat shotgun all the time, but it's not overpowered when they like it.Honestly I'm one of those who's up for disallowing the "minor c-bug". But not because it's overpowered, I want it to be disallowed because this works the same way as the exact c-bug which is forbidden and imo this gives advantage only to players who cannot c-bug properly.
What a failure of a suggestion to end with a poll, while combat shotgun is the most overpowered shit you have, can I make a suggestion to remove combat shotgun now? there's nothing logical in this topic, I kept searching but I couldn't find anything.
Don't disallow the minor cbug. Keep it as it is. Or better yet, lock the suggestions board
I've played most of my time as a civilian in this server and I barely see players using minor C-bug. Almost never.
Besides that, randoms don't even know about it, I really wonder what's so scary about keeping it allowed.
Too much drama going on here, it's gay. :-X
Have in mind, my opinion is completely objective since I'm not affected by any decision you are going to make. In-game I use colts.
Well that's not true, I've fought most of the regulars actually.I've played most of my time as a civilian in this server and I barely see players using minor C-bug. Almost never.
Besides that, randoms don't even know about it, I really wonder what's so scary about keeping it allowed.
Too much drama going on here, it's gay. :-X
Have in mind, my opinion is completely objective since I'm not affected by any decision you are going to make. In-game I use colts.
Maybe there's a correlation between newbies inability to abuse the minor c-bug, the fact that you don't shoot anyone but newbies and that you have barely faced anyone using the minor c-bug.
I think with the "minor" C-bug, we'll have a lot of 'grey zone' (at what point is it bug abuse?). Some people just might just crouch once, maybe stay crouched and get up again for the last shot, so they'll have fired 2 shots in a shorter time.I don't think it's that much of a grey zone- when I see someone doing it, they're clearly using the bug. If they're emptying the clip and using it 5 times in a row, then they're abusing it.
2v1 kkkkk i raep u all now stay on topic pls
Altus, we always expect you to vote + in Mia's topic. You were not forced to write such a big explanation.
If you are able to give a reasoned explanation, you aren't voting 'yes' only because the topic is made by me.(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/138/reece.JPG)Minor cbus is actually not a bug in my opinion, it's just a crouch and shoot.
Yeah, actually GTA SA developers wanted to make players able to skip the animations they carefully designed so you can shoot 7 Desert Eagle bullets in 2 seconds, because that was the most realistic choice. They made the game unable to display 2+ simultaneous animations on purpose.
Honestly I'm one of those who's up for disallowing the "minor c-bug". But not because it's overpowered, I want it to be disallowed because this works the same way as the exact c-bug which is forbidden and imo this gives advantage only to players who cannot c-bug properly.I agree with Ege, who agrees with Litteratus, who agrees with me. So, if transitivity is respected, I agree with myself. I guess it is quite good sign.
I gotta admit, I'm not that good doing this minor c-bug shit. Whenever I try to do it I mostly do the exact c-bug which leads to a warn/kick. But also I assume that I'm better than majority of the players in c-bugging (no ego xd) and yeah this gives me an advantage over others but I'm not able to use that advantage while players Mia mentioned (high ping/low fps) can do it by minor c-bug.
You might come up saying "then dont use it" but when a player using this bug fights with another who's not using, you can see there's actually a "real advantage", which is the main reason of why most of the bugs are forbidden here.
In my opinion the minor c-bug thing is allowed because, wether you believe it or not, it sometimes happens by mistake or unwillingly. Maybe it will be good to remove it all along, but I do have to say this: Just as there are players abusing this rule, there are some admins who used to gladly abuse the non-existence of this rule to punish those they consider are doing it. And this is something disgusting.Rev, as it was already mentioned, there won't be any bug inquisition or additional punishments but scriptwise messages popping up.
If this was to be removed I sincerely hope the punishments continue having the system as a base, and not just the admins/mods opinion.
One the the most disgusting things about the old server was that bullshit "I saw you do it so you either confess or stay banned". Please, do not bring that up again.
This is bullshit.
It wasn't ever pleasant until lagcomp came around, then the Deagle actually became a good weapon.This is bullshit.
+1
It is no longer pleasant to play as a civilian