Plan B

General => Suggestions => Closed => Topic started by: YoMama on August 09, 2018, 02:06:32 am

Title: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: YoMama on August 09, 2018, 02:06:32 am
I think the recent changes are helping to encourage people to play the gamemode, but there is still the problem of the rogue VIP civilian who shoots everyone who isn't their friend from long distances with snipers, sometimes in a group of like-minded VIPs. I'm fine with people playing as civilians, but it doesn't really make much sense that VIP civilians are as powerful as every other class far away, yet they don't have any restrictions on who they can shoot.

Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: SoLoD on August 09, 2018, 02:44:10 am
We have this for 2 years here and 6 years "there". Why now?
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Faro0s on August 09, 2018, 03:56:58 am
I have to say, this is the funniest suggestion so far I noticed. Snipers are given to vips, no matter if the particular person is a civilian or president, you can't just take it from him.
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: YoMama on August 09, 2018, 04:14:08 am
I have to say, this is the funniest suggestion so far I noticed. Snipers are given to vips, no matter if the particular person is a civilian or president, you can't just take it from him.
I have to say, this is the funniest response to this topic so far. I'm not suggesting taking sniper rifles from VIPs entirely, I'm suggesting making the civilian class a little more reasonable by making it so one random civilian can't fuck things up with a weapon that is better at long ranges than any weapons that the other classes have. Think of it as akin to limiting force reclassing.

We have this for 2 years here and 6 years "there". Why now?
The new scoring system doesn't even give civilians points for kills. Why do they have one of the best weapons then (if they're VIPs)? It seems that some players play as civilian for the sole purpose of killing everyone who isn't their friend. What the fuck does that have to do with the gamemode?
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Deadman on August 09, 2018, 12:41:16 pm
What is the real logic to remove sniper rifles from a civilian, so that he can not roam free? There are enough people eager to hunt civilians down. Just imagine 2 terrors hunt a civil, the only weapon civil can use is deagle or colts (ineffective for CQB against other classes shotguns,AK/M4 and ofc Tecs/Uzi), then? Yomama I know you have issues with the civilians and their snipers but I would like you to avoid such a mess.
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Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Chetan on August 09, 2018, 01:50:48 pm
Agree. Just give them a beautiful knife!  ;D

+1
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Faro0s on August 09, 2018, 02:16:58 pm
I have to say, this is the funniest suggestion so far I noticed. Snipers are given to vips, no matter if the particular person is a civilian or president, you can't just take it from him.
I have to say, this is the funniest response to this topic so far. I'm not suggesting taking sniper rifles from VIPs entirely, I'm suggesting making the civilian class a little more reasonable by making it so one random civilian can't fuck things up with a weapon that is better at long ranges than any weapons that the other classes have. Think of it as akin to limiting force reclassing.

We have this for 2 years here and 6 years "there". Why now?
The new scoring system doesn't even give civilians points for kills. Why do they have one of the best weapons then (if they're VIPs)? It seems that some players play as civilian for the sole purpose of killing everyone who isn't their friend. What the fuck does that have to do with the gamemode?

Their weapons are not running ones, if there is a person attacking a civilian from another class with all those weapons he got, then civilian stand no chance in front of him unless he/she got skills. The point is that let them enjoy something at least. What’s the fun with just deagle and shotgun without cbug anyways lol..
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: EnGin on August 09, 2018, 03:08:43 pm
I think the recent changes are helping to encourage people to play the gamemode, but there is still the problem of the rogue VIP civilian who shoots everyone who isn't their friend from long distances with snipers, sometimes in a group of like-minded VIPs. I'm fine with people playing as civilians, but it doesn't really make much sense that VIP civilians are as powerful as every other class far away, yet they don't have any restrictions on who they can shoot.

I don't really get how snipers for Civilian class is affecting this game mode? Civilians can get killed easily
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: LPCOLTER on August 09, 2018, 03:18:31 pm
Give nothing to civilian just a camera.
Civilians don't fight they chill
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Aztrek on August 09, 2018, 05:52:39 pm
Agree. Just give them a beautiful knife!  ;D

+1

Shakal dekh kartoot dekh! Come back to the topic, as someone already mentioned that we paid for that so it should be given even if we are president or civilian. -1 my firend.
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on August 09, 2018, 07:13:35 pm
YoMama isn't wrong. Civilians are the gamechangers they determine how hard the GM of either Good or Bad Team would be. Civilians should de-powered so the actual players who play the GM have a valid chance not influenced by whose clan they are favoring.
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What is the real logic to remove sniper rifles from a civilian, so that he can not roam free?
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You argue for the whole class yet you really need a 'VIP' weapon which goes beyond a Draw Distance of the Victim, mostly makes you to camp at one place,kills the victim without much lag in practically 2 shots and roaming free is the argument here?
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There are enough people eager to hunt civilians down.
Most civilians who have this sniper already have enough protection unless some salty rival clan or statswhores begin to camp them. Non VIPs are practically attacked by everyone especially these 'free roaming' 'good defense' VIP Civilians and Terros at armor and wherever.
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Just imagine 2 terrors hunt a civil, the only weapon civil can use is deagle or colts (ineffective for CQB against other classes shotguns,AK/M4 and ofc Tecs/Uzi), then?
You are literally justifying sniper's existence because of close quarters combat where a more portable weapon like deagle is useless. We all know nobody uses Snipers that close if they are getting hit head on, most people use Saw which is actually effective against Uzi/Tec9s and as for Shotgun and M4s they already get fucked by Deagles then Sniper already is the more faster killer in the case.

and again you are defending the whole class only from a VIP's perspective and not even counting Non VIPs. VIPs mostly exist in that class to kill people from both teams for their KDR anyways not for roaming free.

Don't let me even begin with how the player association system like clans and others produces a totally opposite situation more frequently.
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I don't really get how snipers for Civilian class is affecting this game mode? Civilians can get killed easily
Go undercover and play the GM as a hardworking Lvl0 for 15-20 minutes in prime player time, you will get all the reasons you need.
If you are not going to, well just play the GM more from a unbiased POV. I don't wanna spend time writing 20+ reasons against that statement alone.

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See his Face,See his Actions! Come back to the topic, as someone already mentioned that we paid for that so it should be given even if we are president or civilian. -1 my firend.

As someone already mentioned VIPs paid for their features so it should be given no matter what the class hence I wonder no one can get the President Skins in other classes no matter what and not gain access to it ? D:
If small step like this can be taken to limit the VIP features, it's not really a big deal to limit other features in some ways in a way to support the gamemode.

Regardless removing the sniper for civilians is something I won't mind because it gives unfair advantage and points. However, I don't want to take it away completely because sniper is the only zooming weapon one can crouch with.

More than anything I'd like the snipers to get their damage reduced less than that of Rifle's so Sniper can still be used for zooming yet not kill people within practically 2 shots (every odd shot stuns to the point of almost freezing) and the peasant rifle can still be relevant by being the slow damaging weapons. No one shouldnt even complain about this because /rifle(VIP Cmd only) is literally better than /holiday eng in every way there is.



 





Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Faro0s on August 09, 2018, 07:58:20 pm
I did Lohit, i did try playing the gm as a level 0 player, i can easily kill civilians, using a rifle and without. So the whole idea is bullshit for me, civilians need to defens themselves if you consider their weapons, others are OP. So just keep it as it is.
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Finisher on August 09, 2018, 08:29:19 pm
Remove the entire Civilian class -> gamemode will be played properly
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: SoLoD on August 09, 2018, 09:45:05 pm
Remove the entire Civilian class -> gamemode will be played properly
News: civillians NEVER was a PTP class.

The new scoring system doesn't even give civilians points for kills. Why do they have one of the best weapons then (if they're VIPs)? It seems that some players play as civilian for the sole purpose of killing everyone who isn't their friend. What the fuck does that have to do with the gamemode?
This is not a reason. Because "new scoring system" is just a "system of useless numbers". You have 0 or you have 100, there is no difference.
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: FlapJack[M.I.B] on August 09, 2018, 09:46:34 pm
Hell NO. Civilian is the only option whenever every classes are full. This is the only class where you can chose to protect or hunt the president. Removing a weapon that could help us is a terrible idea. Sniper is the best weapon you have when you're in Civi class.

How about removing Sniper but you add  M4 and Uzi to Civilians? 😂😂

Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: YoMama on August 09, 2018, 10:24:16 pm
Civilian is the only option whenever every classes are full.
That's a problem with the class balancing system then.

This is the only class where you can chose to protect or hunt the president.
It's the only one where you can ignore the President entirely and just kill people you don't like regardless of their class. You can choose to protect or hunt the President in the other classes too- all you have to do is /rc.

Removing a weapon that could help us is a terrible idea. Sniper is the best weapon you have when you're in Civi class.
Help you do... what exactly? The fact that it's the best weapon you have as a civilian is the problem. Civilians should be weak, not allowed to have a powerful weapon which many use with little to no relation to the gamemode. Haven't you ever seen civilians with snipers killing all of a group but their friends?

Remove the entire Civilian class -> gamemode will be played properly
Sadly, not too far off. It would definitely help to make it less desirable as well. It used to be that being a civilian was often an "I don't give a shit about kills" statement or an "I'm badass enough that I can hold my own just with a Deagle" statement. Now it's often "I don't give a shit about kills" and "I think I'm a badass because I'm indiscriminately shooting people with one of the most powerful weapons in the game".
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Faro0s on August 10, 2018, 12:20:31 am
I don’t think it bothers anyone, not even the level 1 players as they know if they want sniper they should pay for it. Besides, sniper is a VIP feature, vips should be able to get it in any class, that’s the thing which distinguishes them from non vip players in terms of weapons. They should of course have a slight OP thing over others as they are called vips. So the whole idea does not make sense, maybe if you would demand the removal of the whole civilian group/class thing, then maybe it would. Still if you compare them with others, civilians are weak. You should consider short distances also, quick sniper shot can give them the advantage of stunning a player, if this is removed then the whole civilian idea must be removed with it. As they will become very weak with having only walking weapons. Still if you think long range distances are advantageous for civilians then skipping the sniper shots are also easy. So, it’s not the best idea to remove sniper from civilians. Hence, my vote is -1.

-Fares
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Zeta on August 10, 2018, 10:21:54 am
Are u ok?
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Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Kelik on August 10, 2018, 03:10:07 pm
Hell NO. Civilian is the only option whenever every classes are full. This is the only class where you can chose to protect or hunt the president. Removing a weapon that could help us is a terrible idea. Sniper is the best weapon you have when you're in Civi class.

How about removing Sniper but you add  M4 and Uzi to Civilians? 😂😂



I agree with you FlapJack, We VIP's choose civilians if we get too bored in doing our /duty in some other
classes. But -1 for adding M4 and Uzi for civilian classes because it will be too OP for this class. Especially, VIP's always hangout at civilian classes so no need to remove sniper at civilian class.
So -1 for this.
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Fruiti. on August 10, 2018, 05:13:12 pm
stop talking, lets try Fini's suggestion. Remove civ for a (1)month or more, see the effects and decide whether to remove it or not i say
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: MegaPilot on August 11, 2018, 10:26:39 am
+1, it's overpowered that a class can just shoot anyone they want from long distances.
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Madman on August 11, 2018, 06:24:00 pm
-1
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Yash on August 12, 2018, 02:10:17 am
You should really find a different past time then posting suggestions.
Hell NO for the suggestion as Sniper is a paid feature and people actually paid for it using real money.
Earlier because of the Class balance system the vip feature of choosing any class was removed but removing Sniper now is non sense.
'People like you never get satisfied from anything'.
AGAIN HELL NO
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: cobby on August 22, 2018, 03:48:47 pm
-1 I am too close to buy vip
Title: Re: Remove sniper for civilians
Post by: Jonne on December 07, 2018, 09:31:23 pm
This won't be added.