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General => Suggestions => Closed => Topic started by: [ThuG].Tonny on August 22, 2018, 09:40:06 pm

Title: Ban History
Post by: [ThuG].Tonny on August 22, 2018, 09:40:06 pm
If possible, it would be cool if the player profile shows how many times it has been banned and the reasons.

Best regards,
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Carg on August 22, 2018, 10:45:07 pm
And why do you need that?
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Crash on August 23, 2018, 01:23:49 am
Sometimes,players are getting wrongfully banned by AC (bug). You can't blame them for something they didn't do.
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Hito on August 23, 2018, 01:34:09 am
https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=2287.0

Yoo

Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Son_Gun on August 23, 2018, 10:58:54 am
It wouldn't be helpful in gameplay. Also adding many things means adding more bugs. Just look at UIF server, it lags like hell. 
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: YoMama on August 23, 2018, 11:12:54 am
And why do you need that?
Because otherwise, people get to pretend that they've never been banned. We already have this information from the ban appeals section, but people change their names to obfuscate their history (which in some cases doesn't remain only their history). Making ban information available also makes being banned much more of a punishment, since that player will carry with them evidence of wrongdoing. The current system doesn't discourage cheating as much as it discourages being banned. Once a player is unbanned, who cares? They can just cheat until they're caught again, and only people who actually pay attention and remember might know better. The highest punishment in the server should at least have a few lasting effects.

Sometimes,players are getting wrongfully banned by AC (bug). You can't blame them for something they didn't do.
Fine, then remove those wrong bans from the history. I do think that some bans shouldn't necessarily be in the history forever, such as bans for non-cheating offenses.

It wouldn't be helpful in gameplay. Also adding many things means adding more bugs. Just look at UIF server, it lags like hell. 
Couldn't you argue that people cheating, getting banned, then getting unbanned with no long-term consequences to discourage them (and others watching) from cheating is detrimental to gameplay? I can't see this adding much bug-wise or causing lag, particularly if it's in the CP.
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Carg on August 23, 2018, 01:14:18 pm
@Yomama, and how do you propose to clear so much AC bug bans from players history?
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Spici_Popot on August 23, 2018, 04:34:16 pm
BAN ME!..
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Chetan on August 23, 2018, 05:55:27 pm
BAN ME!..

+1
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Deadman on August 23, 2018, 06:13:14 pm
I will wait for Yomama's reply. I think yomama's idea can work if it is added in CP but on the other hand, Carg's question is also valid. I will vote when I will get a solid answer and also watching other's opinions / ideas.
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Hito on August 23, 2018, 07:24:49 pm
https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=2287.0

Yoo
Excuse me what the fuck ?
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Deadman on August 23, 2018, 07:43:33 pm
https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=2287.0

Yoo
That topic was about to reset the /stats content completely (excluding the total time, date registered and previous nick). This topic is about player's ban history. So excuse me and what the fuck are you trying to show?
Another add-on to this idea- I think adding in a bans section to a player's profile in the CP (which shows all bans and their reasons) would make cheating even less attractive. It's not information that can't already be found, it's just putting it all in one place. If a ban is unjust, it could be "pardoned" and removed from the CP. I thought of this one because some of our players seem to conveniently change their nick after they've been caught.
That was added in addition later after the actual suggested point so please.
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Hito on August 23, 2018, 07:51:26 pm
https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=2287.0

Yoo
That topic was about to reset the /stats content completely (excluding the total time, date registered and previous nick). This topic is about player's ban history. So excuse me and what the fuck are you trying to show?
Another add-on to this idea- I think adding in a bans section to a player's profile in the CP (which shows all bans and their reasons) would make cheating even less attractive. It's not information that can't already be found, it's just putting it all in one place. If a ban is unjust, it could be "pardoned" and removed from the CP. I thought of this one because some of our players seem to conveniently change their nick after they've been caught.
That was added in addition later after the actual suggested point so please.
Its the same suggestion!! No ?

As for the bans, I don't think it's a good idea to add the complete history to their profile, but we could add something that says if they're currently banned, and the reason.
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Madman on August 23, 2018, 09:46:50 pm
-1
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: IDAN on August 24, 2018, 10:22:46 am
it's will be cool if we can see ban history on UserCP
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Maddy on August 24, 2018, 10:42:34 am
As told by Jonne:


As for the bans, I don't think it's a good idea to add the complete history to their profile, but we could add something that says if they're currently banned, and the reason.
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: YoMama on August 24, 2018, 11:24:38 am
@Yomama, and how do you propose to clear so much AC bug bans from players history?
You mean pre-existing bug bans, dating back to when the server was in beta? How many are there? Why can't the public history just ignore all AC bans before a certain point? For future wrong bans, it would also be helpful to create a way to unban people while also removing the ban from their public history (like the "pardon" command I suggested the last time this idea came up).

Another option would be to only add a ban to the public history if the offense is severe enough.

As told by Hito:


As for the bans, I don't think it's a good idea to add the complete history to their profile, but we could add something that says if they're currently banned, and the reason.
Isn't there a conflict of interest in both you (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=1685.0) and Hito (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=629.0) posting something against this suggestion? It would be at least a little more honest for you both to mention it. I agree with Jonne that it wouldn't be a good idea to add a complete history. I'd be interested in seeing what he thinks of having a "greatest hits"-style history that doesn't show incorrect or relatively benign bans but does show the severe ones. In the end, the point is to prevent bad behavior by creating long-term consequences, and I don't see how this wouldn't help, if done reasonably.

I'm not completely sure how I feel about old bans being included in the history. I do think that multiple nasty bans tend to really make a player look shameful, so keeping old nasty bans on there would prevent people from trying to continue to hack, but just less obviously than when they were caught previously.

-1
Why not?
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Hito on August 24, 2018, 11:39:50 am

Isn't there a conflict of interest in both you (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=1685.0) and Hito (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=629.0) posting something against this suggestion? It would be at least a little more honest for you both to mention it.
I've already posted my opinion in that tpoic made by you, and yes I'm positive about it, Why would I lie or disagree ?
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Maddy on August 24, 2018, 12:50:37 pm
@Yomama, and how do you propose to clear so much AC bug bans from players history?
You mean pre-existing bug bans, dating back to when the server was in beta? How many are there? Why can't the public history just ignore all AC bans before a certain point? For future wrong bans, it would also be helpful to create a way to unban people while also removing the ban from their public history (like the "pardon" command I suggested the last time this idea came up).

Another option would be to only add a ban to the public history if the offense is severe enough.

As told by Hito:


As for the bans, I don't think it's a good idea to add the complete history to their profile, but we could add something that says if they're currently banned, and the reason.
Isn't there a conflict of interest in both you (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=1685.0) and Hito (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=629.0) posting something against this suggestion? It would be at least a little more honest for you both to mention it. I agree with Jonne that it wouldn't be a good idea to add a complete history. I'd be interested in seeing what he thinks of having a "greatest hits"-style history that doesn't show incorrect or relatively benign bans but does show the severe ones. In the end, the point is to prevent bad behavior by creating long-term consequences, and I don't see how this wouldn't help, if done reasonably.

I'm not completely sure how I feel about old bans being included in the history. I do think that multiple nasty bans tend to really make a player look shameful, so keeping old nasty bans on there would prevent people from trying to continue to hack, but just less obviously than when they were caught previously.

-1
Why not?
Almost everyone knows about my history. If I wanted to hide it in anyway, I would make a suggestion to hide the old unbanned (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?board=19.0) and banned (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?board=18.0) appeals lol.

In the previous reply I was highlighting the words posted by Jonne which makes no sense to expand this suggestion anymore as the decision was already well told (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=2287.0).
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: YoMama on August 29, 2018, 09:18:30 pm
In the previous reply I was highlighting the words posted by Jonne which makes no sense to expand this suggestion anymore as the decision was already well told (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=2287.0).
...I don't think it's a good idea to add the complete history to their profile...
That doesn't rule out an incomplete (and more reasonable) history. As Carg pointed out, a complete history would be somewhat meaningless. A more selective history would be more fair to people who have been banned wrongly or for relatively minor offenses while still acting as a deterrent.
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on August 29, 2018, 09:54:29 pm
+1 and agreed to this 100%

and would be cool if all ban w/ name at the time would be visible too >.>

although to be honest I think it might increase the toxicity in the gamemode with more ajajajajaja hacker hacker nub.
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Madman on August 30, 2018, 07:43:33 pm
@Yomama, and how do you propose to clear so much AC bug bans from players history?
You mean pre-existing bug bans, dating back to when the server was in beta? How many are there? Why can't the public history just ignore all AC bans before a certain point? For future wrong bans, it would also be helpful to create a way to unban people while also removing the ban from their public history (like the "pardon" command I suggested the last time this idea came up).

Another option would be to only add a ban to the public history if the offense is severe enough.

As told by Hito:


As for the bans, I don't think it's a good idea to add the complete history to their profile, but we could add something that says if they're currently banned, and the reason.
Isn't there a conflict of interest in both you (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=1685.0) and Hito (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=629.0) posting something against this suggestion? It would be at least a little more honest for you both to mention it. I agree with Jonne that it wouldn't be a good idea to add a complete history. I'd be interested in seeing what he thinks of having a "greatest hits"-style history that doesn't show incorrect or relatively benign bans but does show the severe ones. In the end, the point is to prevent bad behavior by creating long-term consequences, and I don't see how this wouldn't help, if done reasonably.

I'm not completely sure how I feel about old bans being included in the history. I do think that multiple nasty bans tend to really make a player look shameful, so keeping old nasty bans on there would prevent people from trying to continue to hack, but just less obviously than when they were caught previously.

-1
Why not?
Because I don't think it's necessary to allow all players to check our ban history. The only allowed persons who should know our ban history are admins and the person
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Cyrus_ on August 30, 2018, 08:35:33 pm
i guess it would be enough if only admins can check that

no need i guess
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: SaiFi on August 30, 2018, 09:02:39 pm
-1
Title: Re: Ban History
Post by: Jonne on December 09, 2018, 11:25:16 am
This has been suggested before:

We'll keep the banned players out of the server stats, like sprees, topkills and all of the stats found on the CP, but we won't remove their stats. As for the bans, I don't think it's a good idea to add the complete history to their profile, but we could add something that says if they're currently banned, and the reason.

We can't really do an 'incomplete history', as we'd have to go through every single ban then, and manually set if it's important enough to be shown. So this won't be added.