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General => Suggestions => Added => Topic started by: IDAN on September 08, 2017, 07:52:15 pm

Title: [Added]See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: IDAN on September 08, 2017, 07:52:15 pm
Why this feature is allow to all IRC ?

Team chat its like PM to all the team and no one should see what the team talking about.
If i am T And my enemy are Police i can Play the game while i am in irc and i see what they want to do where are they and more...

So what you think to Disallow ON IRC to see team chat?
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: LPCOLTER on September 08, 2017, 08:01:22 pm
Yes that should be done .
Because it can happen that if people are too much involved in Cop vs Terro Shit some person can go to IRC and Get Info
So +1
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: MAR. on September 08, 2017, 08:34:30 pm
-1
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: GlennN on September 08, 2017, 08:42:27 pm
If you think someone leaks your teamchat and acts accordingly in-game, you can report them, or ask about it to an admin. Although this happens very rarely.
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Bingo on September 08, 2017, 08:45:00 pm
+1 this must be removed
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Hero on September 08, 2017, 08:52:04 pm
-1
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Rose on September 08, 2017, 09:05:53 pm
Nope -1
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Angon 013 on September 08, 2017, 10:32:11 pm
+1
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Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: YoMama on September 09, 2017, 12:30:57 am
I suggested this a long time ago because I'd heard that certain people were reading the teamchat from IRC while in game, and tested it. I played as President and wrote misleading directions in the teamchat several times and watched their red blips follow my directions on the radar. They weren't following the security- I had only a few, and I had PMed them what I was doing already. It's fine and dandy that people aren't allowed to abuse the public teamchat on IRC, but there's no way of keeping track of it and one person could easily keep it on a separate monitor while playing.

Jonne's reply to my suggestion was that it is cool to be able to see what everyone is doing on IRC by seeing all the teamchats at once. I think this should still be possible, but it should be something that players are given if they can't abuse it and are trusted, not something that they are given by default. I don't know how best to do this, but I do see it as a possibly more significant problem than people realize. I don't often have a plan to post to the teamchat because I only really plan things on the teamchat if I have security that I know have specific skills I could use, but I can definitely think of times where I can be unfairly screwed by people reading the teamchat.

To all you people giving it a simple "-1", you're not gaining anyone's trust here. What's your good reason for wanting to keep it the way it is? It seems that if you weren't abusing it, you'd at least recognize it as a problem.
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Yash on September 09, 2017, 11:07:34 am
-1
If you think someone is leaking the teamchat logs to the other team and gaining unfair advantage then u are free to use /report ig or can report on forums.
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: IDAN on September 09, 2017, 11:20:24 am
-1
If you think someone is leaking the teamchat logs to the other team and gaining unfair advantage then u are free to use /report ig or can report on forums.

And if he is on IRC as "undercover" nick...? Or there's one who not play and say to his friedns on skype or something the things that are going in team chat.

You the Mod's all time say /R /R /R
Lets avoid from this,Delete this option,Why make report if we can solve it by remove this option?
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: KevinXDHD on September 09, 2017, 12:19:51 pm
-1
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Bannn. on September 09, 2017, 01:32:48 pm
-1
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Maddy on September 09, 2017, 04:39:55 pm
If you think someone leaks your teamchat and acts accordingly in-game, you can report them, or ask about it to an admin. Although this happens very rarely.
Exactly. Most of the newbies doesn't prefer IRC to talk via. And as regular players are well known about the result of leaking the info. so it happens very rarely. If you find someone doing so, then try to find an Admin on IRC or just record and report. 
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Freckles on September 10, 2017, 05:03:21 am
-1
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Finisher on September 10, 2017, 07:53:41 am
I have thought multiple times about “leaking teamchat info” but I can't seem to find it that much of a big deal
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: M a k a v e l i . on September 10, 2017, 05:29:17 pm
I dont think it's a big deal, those who abused it often got punished.
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: AruN. on September 10, 2017, 05:51:40 pm
I have thought multiple times about “leaking teamchat info” but I can't seem to find it that much of a big deal
Exactly. -1
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: YoMama on September 13, 2017, 07:44:07 am
I dont think it's a big deal, those who abused it often got punished.
Maybe if they're abusing it in a visible fashion, like sharing with their teammates in game. It seems to me like a low risk, high reward way of cheating to just have IRC open in another monitor to see the teamchat. How do you monitor abuse? It's like screen peeking on local multiplayer games, but it's even harder to prevent.
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Supreme on September 14, 2017, 01:46:45 pm
I dont think it's a big deal, those who abused it often got punished.
Maybe if they're abusing it in a visible fashion, like sharing with their teammates in game.

Pretty much sums it up. Someone can just be smart about it and avoid saying it in game. A smart alternative would be telling their friends on discord or through some other sort of communication method that is not directly linked with PTP.
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Carg on September 14, 2017, 03:57:50 pm

Pretty much sums it up. Someone can just be smart about it and avoid saying it in game. A smart alternative would be telling their friends on discord or through some other sort of communication method that is not directly linked with PTP.
Yeah same as if your friend is playing the opposite class ingame and spoils you his teamchat, not much can be done. After this topic was made I am totally for removing it because, if the upper staff decides to keep it as it is, everyone will know that we can't spot those players using such methods and it will make it worse, because the players doing this "not so fair move" will be more with everyday and it will make more troubles. It's still a good move to start with, so yeah definitely for removing it.
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Alcor on September 15, 2017, 02:30:07 pm
please keep it, i leak teamchat everyday.
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Pranesh on September 15, 2017, 03:00:52 pm
please keep it, i leak teamchat everyday.
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Skittles on September 17, 2017, 05:35:14 pm
I don't think people leaking information from the team chats is a common occurrence. As for me, it should remain visible for every member of the Echo channel. Every trackable type of game interference by sharing strategic information should, however, be immediately reported and punished, in pursuance of the IRC Rules.

• No game interference
- Do not use IRC to leak information that will affect gameplay. This includes, but is not limited to, sharing the President's plans from his teamchat.
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: IDAN on September 18, 2017, 04:04:16 pm
"I don't think people leaking information from the team chats is a common occurrence"

Oh really?

Lets say it,I can be undercover On irc and while i am on the irc i am play In the server and talk with my team on skype and share the team chats for all...
Who will know it?
Give you more exp?

i will ask it again- Why people in the irc should see what going on in th team chat?
Team chat its use only for tactic things.

For those people who want to stay ot liek this. i am start to think why,What is the interest behind all this?
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Skittles on September 18, 2017, 05:09:34 pm
"I don't think people leaking information from the team chats is a common occurrence"

Oh really?

Lets say it,I can be undercover On irc and while i am on the irc i am play In the server and talk with my team on skype and share the team chats for all...
Who will know it?
Give you more exp?

i will ask it again- Why people in the irc should see what going on in th team chat?
Team chat its use only for tactic things.

For those people who want to stay ot liek this. i am start to think why,What is the interest behind all this?

The very same result you can get even without using IRC. Just ask your Skype-friend to be a terrorist while you leek him information from the security team chat. We can't either detect nor stop you from doing something like that. So let's not get paranoid, please.

Situations, when strategic information from team chats are being used by the opposite team, are very rare and, as for me, it's not a reason to deprive IRC users a fuller image of the game.

You think otherwise, okay. Could you, please, recall the latest situation of this kind?
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on September 18, 2017, 05:53:41 pm
I actually wanted to keep the IRC Chat in another screen or window as sometimes I wanted to read some older text of the teamchat or main chat which are gone due to the line limit I prefer for my gameplay. But when I actually opened it and discovered that Teamchat is shown without a proper checkup, I had to abandon that idea for fairplay and rules. ;_;

If only somehow there could be a compulsory Registration for IRC that includes the Ingame name which could be used to restrict the ability to see teamchat if it is detected that the User is active on both IRC and PTP at the same time (was thinking of IP Address check too). If not then allow the ability to see Teamchat.


Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Matt on September 18, 2017, 07:18:10 pm
-1 This has never been an issue, and it's happened a few times, but it's been taken care of very simply.
Title: Re: See team chat On IRC ? Time to chg it.
Post by: Jonne on December 20, 2017, 03:46:08 pm
I don't think it's that much of a big deal as people are making it out to be, and I don't really believe there will be a lot of people that are monitoring the teamchat to learn the other team's strategy. Also, I still believe it has more of a positive impact on the community, for example people who aren't able to play can still keep in touch with the game like that, and have some sort of idea what's going on. But, as some people have pointed out, maybe it's better to not echo the teamchat at all, to prevent any abuse. We'll disable it in a future update.

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