Plan B
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Shark_The_Helicopter on May 01, 2018, 07:19:41 pm
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Just wanted to check on the community view on the subject and for future reference.
The Basis for this poll is on a Vehicle only basis. Since it's one of the primary aspects of this gamemode.
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I don't think it is OP in the server after all we pay for this feature and it is the other thing which attracts other players towards buying the VIP. Tuning of the vehicle is a very common thing for donators in all servers of SAMP.
But still I suggest to place some tuned vehicles in every team's spawn
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I don't think it is too OP and i dont see it give any an advantages just it's speed up the Cars What is the Problem with it?
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Why tf would it be op? ???
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Its my view dont start shouting for me to buy it and see.
Its OP in only one condition. When some president is VIP and takes infernus and keeps using infinite NOS. If some changes are to be done, change the infinte nitro to 10x or 5x such that the vip have to use /nos (or whatever command they use) to refill that nitro such that terrorist team get some chances of killing him.
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Its my view dont start shouting for me to buy it and see.
Its OP in only one condition. When some president is VIP and takes infernus and keeps using infinite NOS. If some changes are to be done, change the infinte nitro to 10x or 5x such that the vip have to use /nos (or whatever command they use) to refill that nitro such that terrorist team get some chances of killing him.
Even then when he uses an infernus ,there is 1000 ways to ambush him with many vehicles in order to stop him
So your argument its incorrect
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Its my view dont start shouting for me to buy it and see.
Its OP in only one condition. When some president is VIP and takes infernus and keeps using infinite NOS. If some changes are to be done, change the infinte nitro to 10x or 5x such that the vip have to use /nos (or whatever command they use) to refill that nitro such that terrorist team get some chances of killing him.
Even then when he uses an infernus ,there is 1000 ways to ambush him with many vehicles in order to stop him
So your argument its incorrect
Whats that 1000 ways 'Kamikaze'?
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The only overpowered advantage vips have is sniper . Accept it or deny it ,but its the fact .
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The only overpowered advantage vips have is sniper . Accept it or deny it ,but its the fact .
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You'd be wrong then.
Its my view dont start shouting for me to buy it and see.
Its OP in only one condition. When some president is VIP and takes infernus and keeps using infinite NOS. If some changes are to be done, change the infinte nitro to 10x or 5x such that the vip have to use /nos (or whatever command they use) to refill that nitro such that terrorist team get some chances of killing him.
Even then when he uses an infernus ,there is 1000 ways to ambush him with many vehicles in order to stop him
So your argument its incorrect
Oh is that so? Except for ambushing him via planes by skipping over the route, tell me any other vehicle that can even keep up with a Nitro spammy Infernus.
and this problem is a minor thing, there are far more sharp advantages. Although, tbh it's rarely seen cause most of this server originates from DM servers and people who don't even know that Vortex could glide.
Why tf would it be op? ???
I will say my full argument a bit later, I want to see the community opinion first for obvious reasons.
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Your poll or discussion is not getting you anywhere. It’s obvious you’re just bitching on VIP features to stay relevant on this forum buddy
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...after all we pay for this feature and it is the other thing which attracts other players towards buying the VIP.
...but the fact that you pay for something doesn't magically make it fair or right.
However, I don't think nitro is OP. Compared to other VIP features, nitro is about the last thing I would be trying to limit (*cough* snipers *cough*). Unless the nitro user is driving an Infernus, there's always a faster car available to opponents that negates the benefits. On top of that, Rustlers make pretty much anything that can be modded with nitro useless. You're really not making the best move if you're trying to keep up with a fast car in a straight line with anything but a plane.
Oh is that so? Except for ambushing him via planes by skipping over the route, tell me any other vehicle that can even keep up with a Nitro spammy Infernus.
Tell me a ground vehicle that can practically keep up with an Infernus, period. It's a pain in the ass to chase after a non-nitro Infernus even if you have nitro. That's why you don't even waste the time and you either nail the Infernus by setting up before it, or you take a plane. "Ambushing" makes it sound difficult. A moron rocketing around in an Infernus is a sitting duck for a Rustler. It usually doesn't take me more than a few seconds to set the piece of shit on fire- it's the same for any car. It's the ground equivalent of someone flying really high in the air. If you know how to handle it, it's very obvious that the person flying so high or driving the Infernus around LV is making a really dumb move. They've usually outrun their security, they're stupidly depending on one "advantage" that they only have over people who are too lazy or stupid to counter it, and to top it all off, it only takes one barely competent person to take them down. Is that not enough of a check on nitro?
If you still think that nitro is OP, then why do people like me take NRGs (slower than plenty of cars with or without nitro) and even slower bikes instead of nitro-equipped vehicles? You're making nitro sound much more useful than it actually is.
Although, tbh it's rarely seen cause most of this server originates from DM servers and people who don't even know that Vortex could glide.
Gliding Vortices is a little esoteric though, particularly since most servers don't let you use them because of the autoaiming problem and not everyone gives a shit about the single-player game.
It’s obvious you’re just bitching on VIP features to stay relevant on this forum buddy
It is?
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Lol and here we go again...
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Your poll or discussion is not getting you anywhere. It’s obvious you’re just bitching on VIP features to stay relevant on this forum buddy
Thanks for assuming that I only have free time and expend my energy to protect my forum ego rather than wanting to make this gamemode a bit better.
Well what could I expect, it's the obligatory "No you just bitching for VIP" post expected in every thread that dares to speak anything against VIP features.
Tell me a ground vehicle that can practically keep up with an Infernus, period.
Without Nitro? Easy
Bullet
Turismo
NRG with aerodynamic wheelie, it's the fastest ground vehicle ingame with that.
And that's just straight I am talking about solely because Infernus has inferior handling, is heavy and slides easily, it's power is the only thing that makes the other things negligible in a straight.
Eg: The Desert Blaze race is a good example, my times with a Bullet is significantly better than a infernus solely because Bullet has a far better cornering and grip, which helps in cutting time in two major corners and the corners don't even require brakes.
Such vehicle advantages is pretty fucked over when you literally have a car that can spawn infinite nitro and cancel out any vehicle skill gap due to sheer boosting and correction.
That's why you don't even waste the time and you either nail the Infernus by setting up before it, or you take a plane. "Ambushing" makes it sound difficult. A moron rocketing around in an Infernus is a sitting duck for a Rustler. It usually doesn't take me more than a few seconds to set the piece of shit on fire- it's the same for any car. It's the ground equivalent of someone flying really high in the air. If you know how to handle it, it's very obvious that the person flying so high or driving the Infernus around LV is making a really dumb move. They've usually outrun their security, they're stupidly depending on one "advantage" that they only have over people who are too lazy or stupid to counter it, and to top it all off, it only takes one barely competent person to take them down. Is that not enough of a check on nitro?
Problem is you see, not everyone uses the Infernus. Newbs can't even handle it's steering. Usually there are three types of Infernus Drivers.
1.)Newbs who can't drive
2.)People who can't actually drive but put all their teammates on top of their car
3.)Those who can actually drive it well
Because Infernus is limited to specific locations only 2.) and 3.) are the most commonly seen these days
A good driver with a brain can easily dodge the rustler by letting the rustler get ahead,driving properly on tightly packed roads with buildings around,take underpasses and what not.
(1)[H]nz88 is a good example.
People just prefer to take NRGs because due to obvious reasons:
1.)Fastest
2.)Easy Handling
3.)Front Driveby
4.)Stunt Vehicle
5.)SpaZ Driveby Dmg
Same with Sultan.
But that isn't the case we are discussing here, that was simply a follow up to Chetan's post.
Infernus isn't the only problem, it's just the minor one. The problem and the discussion as I said earlier is on a vehicle to vehicle basis.
You're making nitro sound much more useful than it actually is.
Because it is, the thing I brought server knowledge into the question because it's obvious no one actually paid attention to driving, it's not a behemoth of a task just a simple observation. Heck it's even more noticeable with this type of nitro spawning.
It isn't esoteric to that extent if the average player has like more than 2-3 years worth of playing on SAMP.
Recently one used Hydraulics and Off Road Tires in Races to gain advantage and soon others followed. Both of the advantages are rather obvious yet it only began to show up recently.
Another reason why I am bringing this up because someone well known and a old player said Admins were gonna 'Fix' this Nitro thingy long ago to not make it OP.
Btw, please don't assume that this topic is only concerning over a Nitro Spammy Infernus going over a straight.
That's why I am writing this in bold, because people don't even read shit and go with the response to it, that's why I am writing that in last.
Fine looks like people don't have any idea. Well, then let me prove it with some videos I will be uploading soon.
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Personally, I'm unsure whether the term "OP" is the best descriptor for the VIP Nitro. Sure, it's powerful, but one could reckon that every gameplay altering perk that VIPs get is OP, because it tilts the balance. This server has always been more pay to win than not, but personally I've gotten used to it. If there were any changes to it, I reckon it shouldn't be infinite, but that you could tune your car and that's it, so it wouldn't matter if you're a VIP or you just tuned at the TransFender.
But talking about the balance, this topic is about a pebble when there are boulders on the scale.
A good driver with a brain can easily dodge the rustler by letting the rustler get ahead,driving properly on tightly packed roads with buildings around,take underpasses and what not.
(1)[H]nz88 is a good example.
Thanks for the compliment :)
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It's a game lol. I'm sorry if my post lacks input but that's all i have to say. Peace.
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Why it should be OP lol ?
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Go back to taking pictures Lohit, leave the nitro alone dammit! :D
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Instead we should have a poll to unban dilma :(
I recently made a topic for unbanning dilma but it got removed .
Plz admins unban Dilma_Br mi only friend also mi very sad and many players also vry vry vry saad .
All i can say is uhhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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am i the only one who dosn't know what OP means ? lol
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am i the only one who dosn't know what OP means ? lol
Over powered
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if it will be remove , What about Transfenders? ::)
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Nobody is talking about removing it, heck no. Nitros are a necessity.
I am just asking whether it should be balanced out or not,how can be discussed later.
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Instead of removing command for nitro cooldown period can be added such as in /holiday eng command. This will avoid spamming of nitro commands.
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Instead of removing command for nitro cooldown period can be added such as in /holiday eng command. This will avoid spamming of nitro commands.
no.
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Nitro is a great feature what R* added it to GTA SA so we can say that it's one of the most important feature in VIP commands.
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Its not about removing it, its about limiting the nitro spam in a certain class.
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Ughh!! I always said that the only thing good being VIP is Sniper and You can change to any class whenever you want to. Leave the fvcking Nitro..
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Eeeeg no.
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And that's just straight I am talking about solely because Infernus has inferior handling, is heavy and slides easily, it's power is the only thing that makes the other things negligible in a straight.
I did mean in a straight line, sorry.
People just prefer to take NRGs because due to obvious reasons:
1.)Fastest
2.)Easy Handling
3.)Front Driveby
4.)Stunt Vehicle
5.)SpaZ Driveby Dmg
I notice that nitro can't be one of those reasons- you're saying that NRGs are basically the best, but that nitro is overpowered?
Btw, please don't assume that this topic is only concerning over a Nitro Spammy Infernus going over a straight.
I know you're talking about all cars, but the thing is, that's the Infernus is the only case where nitro can give you a top speed that is better than any car without it.
A good driver with a brain can easily dodge the rustler by letting the rustler get ahead,driving properly on tightly packed roads with buildings around,take underpasses and what not.
A good pilot can still get him in those situations, and even if the pilot lacks the skill to get him when he's stopped under a bridge, he's vulnerable to people on the ground. If the car is the Presidents, if he can stop and sit around to hide from one plane, then the problem is that no one else is chasing him. In a game where the terrorists are actually chasing him intelligently, he shouldn't really be able to stop to avoid Rustlers. I fly Rustlers and I play President a lot, and my experience has been that the best way to avoid Rustlers and the people behind you is an NRG, becuse it's harder to take down with a Rustler and it can do everything. It's the same if you're any class trying to run away. Few cars are as fast as you are. A car with nitro can't accelerate as fast as you can. It can't go through the weird places that you can. The car is far more vulnerable to Rustlers and Dodo drivebying. I don't see how you could claim that nitro is very overpowered when this has been my experience.
If you're going to bring up that NRGs are not in every map, that is a valid point, but it doesn't make nitro overpowered there either. The maps that don't have NRGs also don't have many places for a car to hide from Rustlers. All it really means is that it's much harder to avoid being blown up by Rustlers, nitro or not.
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YoMama humble request to you, please write in short. Very few people are gonna read the whole essay you wrote.
P.S. NO OFFENCE PLZ
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It's a game lol. I'm sorry if my post lacks input but that's all i have to say. Peace.
Same thoughts
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For me VIP is op why?
non vips have cuntgun,vips have snipers thats why.
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For me VIP is op why?
non vips have cuntgun,vips have snipers thats why.
Lukaz10-0
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YoMama humble request to you, please write in short. Very few people are gonna read the whole essay you wrote.
P.S. NO OFFENCE PLZ
I'm well aware that I write longer-than-average posts and some people won't even bother reading them. I'm not offended by you saying so. Sorry if it's annoying, but I like to make myself clear instead of going back and forth with someone clarifying what I mean over a series of shorter posts. I'll try to see if I can say what I mean in fewer words.
On the other hand, I would hope that other people would make the effort to actually read and address other people's arguments. A lot of people here read the last few posts, then write something that's already been discredited or addressed several times, as if it will magically come true if one more person says it. They don't actually address the counterargument to what they're writing. I shouldn't have to explain why this is stupid.
In this case, my post boils down to:
Lohit claims that nitro is overpowered while apparently acknowledging that NRGs are overall better vehicles than any car with nitro. Also, with adequate skill and/or enough people actually chasing someone, a plane like a Rustler can pretty much always defeat cars with ease, nitro or not. I don't see how anyone could call nitro overpowered in this context.
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VIP's are VIP's,pay for the shit and enjoy infinite nitro.
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For me VIP is op why?
non vips have cuntgun,vips have snipers thats why.
Lukaz10-0
Lets talk ingame not here.
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I got a easy way to end this discussion.
Remove VIP level and everything will be fine.
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Ok so your pay your vip for nothing ? 20$ in the sky funny boy
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I got a easy way to end this discussion.
Remove VIP level and everything will be fine.
"All revenue from VIP purchases is used to fund the server and hosted tab costs."
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I got a easy way to end this discussion.
Remove VIP level and everything will be fine.
That would be the end of PTP not this discussion. We all know that VIP is the most necessary thing to keep the server running.
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Asking vips about vip`s features is like asking drug addicts about drug addiction.
And no, Yomama`s post about "nrg>everything" is false.
NRG is a terror spawn based vehicle.
Sec`s main vehicle is FBI rancher.
Compare nrg and rancher with endless nitro = you can not reach rancher with nrg. On the highway, on the city`s streets, anywhere.
It is like any other vip`s features: they are OK inside SA game logic, but they are not ok when one part of players do not have them, and another part have UNLIMITED features (bullets, nitro abuse, skins).
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Asking vips about vip`s features is like asking drug addicts about drug addiction.
And no, Yomama`s post about "nrg>everything" is false.
NRG is a terror spawn based vehicle.
Sec`s main vehicle is FBI rancher.
Compare nrg and rancher with endless nitro = you can not reach rancher with nrg. On the highway, on the city`s streets, anywhere.
It is like any other vip`s features: they are OK inside SA game logic, but they are not ok when one part of players do not have them, and another part have UNLIMITED features (bullets, nitro abuse, skins).
Agree with this. Thats the only reason why most of the Level 2 hate such threads/posts criticizing the extra features they get. They think it as anti-VIP community. XD
I don't personally criticise VIP system, just say that they get some features that makes them OP. Nitro is one of it.
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It is like any other vip`s features: they are OK inside SA game logic, but they are not ok when one part of players do not have them, and another part have UNLIMITED features (bullets, nitro abuse, skins).
I partially agree... it wouldn't be a problem if each team had its VIPs to counter the VIPs in the opposing team. But the fact is that VIPs are there to work together against non-VIPs and not to cooperate with their team, so... ::)
Back on topic. There are plenty of VIP features that I consider overpowered and slightly abusive, but seriously... nitro would definitely be the last one in that list. It doesn't make sense to discuss its removal without removing the most serious advantages first.
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Back on topic. There are plenty of VIP features that I consider overpowered and slightly abusive, but seriously... nitro would definitely be the last one in that list. It doesn't make sense to discuss its removal without removing the most serious advantages first.
No one is discussing about the removal of Nos. Its about is it overpowered or not. And for me limiting the Nos for only the president class would make it far less overpowered. (Not removal, only limiting it in a certain class)
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Back on topic. There are plenty of VIP features that I consider overpowered and slightly abusive, but seriously... nitro would definitely be the last one in that list. It doesn't make sense to discuss its removal without removing the most serious advantages first.
No one is discussing about the removal of Nos. Its about is it overpowered or not. And for me limiting the Nos for only the president class would make it far less overpowered. (Not removal, only limiting it in a certain class)
Instead of limiting it to certain class, cooldown period should be added just like in /holiday eng, this will stop spamming of nitro.
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But the fact is that VIPs are there to work together against non-VIPs and not to cooperate with their team, so... ::)
Wat (https://i.imgur.com/OfFLH5m.gif)
Do you understand that there are no formally "vip" and "nonvip" teams?
The question about why vips are fighting only about nonvips is a question about mental state of your "vip" community.
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But the fact is that VIPs are there to work together against non-VIPs and not to cooperate with their team, so... ::)
Wat (https://i.imgur.com/OfFLH5m.gif)
Do you understand that there are no formally "vip" and "nonvip" teams?
The question about why vips are fighting only about nonvips is a question about mental state of your "vip" community.
#Triggered.
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After playing recently, I finally thought of one thing I use nitrous for that I wouldn't be able to do as easily without, which is driving up some hills. Some are steep enough that a car like a Rancher can climb it with nitrous and a reasonable head start, but it will slide back slowly without both. However, it's still pretty far from OP when without nitrous, you can:
a) have a longer runup time to gain more speed and go up the hill
b) turn around and go up the hill backwards, which I still end up doing 70% of the time because many hills are just too steep for nitrous anyway, or I don't have the head start (backwards also gives you more control)
c) just get a motorcycle or a better car like a Sand King instead
d) go around another way
e) if you're attacking, use a plane, which is the Achilles heel of any four-wheeled vehicle anyway.
f) do the reasonable thing and run up the hill if it's so important- it's usually faster on any hill steep enough that nitrous would be advantageous, and you can go up steeper hills than any car or bike
Asking vips about vip`s features is like asking drug addicts about drug addiction.
If you mean that they defend the habit only because they rely on it: often, yes; in this case, no.
Compare nrg and rancher with endless nitro = you can not reach rancher with nrg. On the highway, on the city`s streets, anywhere.
I hope I'm misinterpreting your post and you're being sarcastic, because that's pretty far from true. I use NRGs because I can't escape terrorists on NRGs with FBI Ranchers. I do spam nitrous, too. I have no shame in mentioning my nitrous-spamming because it isn't much of an advantage (unlike snipers, which I rarely use because I feel shitty about using them). NRGs are faster in acceleration and top speed (even with passengers), they are smaller targets, more agile, and more versatile. The only things you really lose in my eyes when switching to an NRG are the redundancy of four tires, the ability to carry three passengers without people standing on top, and the fact that you can't fall out of the Rancher. I love Ranchers, but you'll only see me using them regularly in maps where NRGs are not available to chase me. Even so, I think most of the other racing bikes are also faster than the Rancher (not sure though) so I often use other racing bikes when available.
No one is discussing about the removal of Nos. Its about is it overpowered or not. And for me limiting the Nos for only the president class would make it far less overpowered. (Not removal, only limiting it in a certain class)
That's the same argument as the "stop the President from flying because it's unfair" bullshit that plagued anyone who wanted to fly for a number of years and still plagues anyone who wants to fly a Rustler as President or not watch their health slowly decrease from a bullshit timer. It's a petty action that does nothing to solve a "problem" that doesn't actually exist.
Take your suggestion and think about what it doesn't do. It doesn't stop other classes from driving the President with nitrous. It doesn't change the fact that the President can still use other VIP features that are actually overpowered, with no good counter available for non-VIPs (*cough* sniper *cough*). If I were President after your change, it would change very little of my strategy because I don't trust people to drive me anyway, and I use NRGs and planes more than anything else. If I were security driving the President, it would change none of it. The only real effects would be annoying anyone who knows how useless and petty the limitation is, and probably leading future generations of PTP players to believe that it's somehow necessary, just like the flying limitation.
TL;DR: Still not seeing any good reasons why nitrous is significantly overpowered. FBI Ranchers are not suddenly better than NRGs and other fast vehicles when sprinkled with magical nitrous fairy dust. In the rare case I can think of so far where nitrous is a somewhat significant advantage over the same car doing the same thing without, it can be overcome in many simple ways that render the "overpowered" label laughable.
If you want to keep saying that it's overpowered, you might want to produce something that actually proves it. If you really care (as you should) about VIPs being overpowered, spend your time on VIPs flooding one side with force-reclassing and making it difficult for the other side using their real advantages, like the sniper and saw. You could also focus on their less obvious advantage, which is that many of them are in conceited and cocksure clans that harbor verified hackers and other rulebreakers and refuse to shoot each other when they should but are creaming their jeans for the opportunity to shoot at anyone else in the same situation (also applies to clanless VIPs). You could also start convincing your friends to actually play the gamemode, because no amount of nitrous, NRG driving, sniping, or other bullshit from one President can easily overcome all the terrorists actually playing the gamemode and chasing the President as a team on bikes, in fast cars, and from the air.
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a) have a longer runup time to gain more speed and go up the hill
b) turn around and go up the hill backwards, which I still end up doing 70% of the time because many hills are just too steep for nitrous anyway, or I don't have the head start (backwards also gives you more control)
c) just get a motorcycle or a better car like a Sand King instead
d) go around another way
e) if you're attacking, use a plane, which is the Achilles heel of any four-wheeled vehicle anyway.
f) do the reasonable thing and run up the hill if it's so important- it's usually faster on any hill steep enough that nitrous would be advantageous, and you can go up steeper hills than any car or bike
a) no, you can not. because when you chase president, and he decides to move to the hill (and with nitro he can do it just without runup), you need to go back for that runup, and that will cost you, like, 15 seconds?
b) chasing president by moving backward?
c) or a hydra. there is a "one balance" between vehicles in SA and absolutely "another balance" between them if you will add nitro.
d) or another server. you do not have a chance when you are going 1 on 1 with preident by going "around" every single time he decides to go to "the hill".
e) normally, plane is a support vehicle when u attack president. you always need someone on foot to finish him. without it - it will be kinda useless.
f) same as d)
>If you mean that they defend the habit only because they rely on it: often, yes; in this case, no.
In any case, only lvl0-1 players know how to play against vip features without them.
> I use NRGs because I can't escape terrorists on NRGs with FBI Ranchers.
I do not think you`ve tried enough. Because if you have at least 1 sec with m4 on top of your rancher, it will be, like, impossible to catch that rancher with nrg and tec. It is barely possible to do when rancher do not have nitro (jumping on the back wheel of rancher and do not let that m4 shoot your tires). But again, it is not about 1v1 situation. What if you add another arguments to this? For example, 2 terrorists in the nrg (which is a main strat for terrors). Will it be possible to catch that "nitro rancher"`s speed?
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a) no, you can not. because when you chase president, and he decides to move to the hill (and with nitro he can do it just without runup), you need to go back for that runup, and that will cost you, like, 15 seconds?
b) chasing president by moving backward?
c) or a hydra. there is a "one balance" between vehicles in SA and absolutely "another balance" between them if you will add nitro.
d) or another server. you do not have a chance when you are going 1 on 1 with preident by going "around" every single time he decides to go to "the hill".
e) normally, plane is a support vehicle when u attack president. you always need someone on foot to finish him. without it - it will be kinda useless.
f) same as d)
a) There aren't too many hills that fit the case where you can start up with nitro but not without. Usually you either need a big runup with both or you can't do it without going backward. The second try for a runup problem also happens to nitrous users.
b) Sure, why not? It's not uncommon for me to do it. If you had a bike (again, no nitro required) it would actually matter if you faced backward, but then again you'd be able to go up any hill that the car could go up forward.
c) Obviously the same car will have more power with nitro, but unless the person who is outrunning you is driving the most powerful car, I still don't see how this is unbalanced. Get a better car... or a plane, or a bike.
d) Depends on the hill. I'm not saying every one of these applies in every circumstance.
e) No, really steep hills are great if you've got a plane. Just ram the target off! They're not "support vehicles" in my book. You have a lot of options to kill someone when you have blown up their car, like ramming, shooting, landing and shooting, picking them up and dropping them (difficult), jumping out of the plane and killing them on foot (can be combined with ramming as you jump out to knock them down). Even if you don't kill them, you've definitely dealt them a setback.
f) If the hill is so steep that nitro is the only thing getting you up it, you aren't moving much faster than someone running. Those hills are dangerous regardless because you get very close to possibly DBing terrorists from the slowdown.
My point was that you have a lot of options that cover most circumstances. I wasn't claiming that any were silver bullets, even though you're acting like they are. Find a circumstance where you can't overcome the slight nitrous advantage on a hill with one of those options.
In any case, only lvl0-1 players know how to play against vip features without them.
Come on. Your generalizations are a little ridiculous. I can't use VIP features in a plane or on a bike, and I use both against VIPs all the time. I use bikes in favor of nitrous-equipped vehicles. How often do I use VIP features against you? The one I use most often is nitrous, which you still haven't convinced me is much of an advantage, particularly when I know you'll come after me with bikes or planes if I'm stupid enough to rely on it.
> I use NRGs because I can't escape terrorists on NRGs with FBI Ranchers.
I do not think you`ve tried enough. Because if you have at least 1 sec with m4 on top of your rancher, it will be, like, impossible to catch that rancher with nrg and tec. It is barely possible to do when rancher do not have nitro (jumping on the back wheel of rancher and do not let that m4 shoot your tires). But again, it is not about 1v1 situation. What if you add another arguments to this? For example, 2 terrorists in the nrg (which is a main strat for terrors). Will it be possible to catch that "nitro rancher"`s speed?
It'll be even more impossible to catch an NRG with a security with an M4. I attack Ranchers and other cars with and without security all the time. I avoid line of sight until I can get so close that I'm difficult to shoot. I usually don't even have a passenger if I have an NRG. It's much easier with one. It's absurdly easy with a plane.
TL;DR: I am still unconvinced. You're telling me that dealing with some nitrous-enabled cars is impossible when I see you handling them all the time, along with plenty of other non-VIPs and myself, without nitrous. Yes, one car will be faster than the same thing without nitrous. However, if you regularly try to catch the nitrous car with the same car without it and then find it unfair, you're either a moron or you have an unconventional definition of the word "unfair". It's simple. If you're a terrorist, you already spawn with naturally more powerful cars and bikes. If you're anything else, you can just get a more powerful car or bike, or you can get a plane. If you're trying to catch someone in a car with another car with no passenger, you're a glutton for punishment. Get a passenger, get a motorcycle, or in the (unlikely) event that the motorcycle is too slow, get a plane.
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You know, Yomama, you can call me how you want. You can even think that i care about, how you sayin`, "fair/unfair" things. This topic and many others, they are all the same for me. You can go with your examples, "moving backward" strats etc. For me it is not about "OP nitro". Because i always look at all this useless topics from 1 point.
Do you know why this topic is useless? Do you know that months and months ago there was a discussion about abusing infinite nitro? Do you know that months and months ago admins stated they gonna remove infinite nitro? Do you know that months and months ago admins stated they removed infinite nitro? Do you know that for all this months and months nothing changed and we still have infinite nitro? Do you know that for all this months and months nobody asked admins why this shit still happen?
So, why don`t you start this topic with this question? And when (not if, but when) admins will do what they always do, you will realise that you "examples", discussions are totally pointless.
Now, you are saying that nitro is not the biggest issue with vip`s features, so why we don`t start with something more obvious.
I am saying "why we do not start with nitro".
Because every single feature gives extra, hmm, lets call it "power". For example, 1st one gives you 10%, 2nd gives you 10%. But together they will give you not 120%, but, lets say, 121%. Lets call it synergy.
How many features do we have? A lot of. If vip player is smart/old, he can receive a lot of "extra" bonuses from this synergy by combining this features.
Now, you example are all about 1v1 situations. But when we will take whole server, we will figure out, that vips are playing with vips gainst nonvips. So, take this "synergy" and move it to the 2nd level.
And if you will remove 1 single vip feature from the whole server, even the most "weak" one, what you call "not OP", difference will be huge.
Now, that your example about aircraft. Everyone here knows why exactly we "killed" air part of this gamemode. There is only 1 reason - because vips do not have vip features for aircraft. This is a FACT. And when you see vips are responding in a "it is not OP"-style posts, you know exactly what stands behind all this posts. This is why their posts always mean NOTHING to a constitutive part of discussion. Ever.
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Solod, that guy's face in your signature is the reaction we have when we read your long ass-says.
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You know, Yomama, you can call me how you want.
I'm not calling you anything? EDIT: I guess you're talking about my "either a moron or you have an unconventional definition of the word 'unfair'" line? I'm just saying that I think treating nitrous like it's a game-changing ability is ridiculous. For the record, I know you aren't a moron, but I do think that you are going a little far by calling nitrous OP.
Now, that your example about aircraft. Everyone here knows why exactly we "killed" air part of this gamemode. There is only 1 reason - because vips do not have vip features for aircraft. This is a FACT. And when you see vips are responding in a "it is not OP"-style posts, you know exactly what stands behind all this posts. This is why their posts always mean NOTHING to a constitutive part of discussion. Ever.
That's a little simplistic. I think the fact that most people can't fly at the same level that they can do stuff on the ground is most of why they don't like having to do it. Yes, VIP weapons mean you can do even more on the ground, so it feels like less is possible in the air, but there are VIPs who like flying. There are also many non-VIPs who hate flying. I think it's mainly that people don't like having to show their lack of skills in the air, which is sad, because it really isn't difficult to get good at flying with a bit of practice.
I am saying "why we do not start with nitro".
Because you really wouldn't be accomplishing much? What about starting with the weapons? Or maybe unlimited force reclassing so you can end up with a gigantic team of just VIPs? There are so many VIP features (and practices) that are much more deserving of this level of scrutiny than nitrous. If you removed nitrous, the difference would probably be 1% in your example.
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you are going a little far by calling nitrous OP
but there are VIPs who like flying. There are also many non-VIPs who hate flying
What about starting with the weapons?
Nitro is arguably an overpowered feature. Infinite nitro is unarguably an overpowered feature.
It should never be about "like/not". Because this "like/not" thing is a reason for many problems this server has.
Like i said, admins already "started" with infinite nitro.
Edit: double post
I am asking again any authorized admin to answer this question: why infinite nitro still exists if PTP head admin said it was fixed. Or correct me if i am wrong.
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I am asking again any authorized admin to answer this question: why infinite nitro still exists if PTP head admin said it was fixed. Or correct me if i am wrong.
I'm not really sure what you're referring to. Who said what exactly?
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I'm not really sure what you're referring to. Who said what exactly?
I am pretty sure there was a conversation about nitro abuse and if i remember correctly admins said they will fix it.
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I found some old topic about this nitro. But looks like you did diametrically opposite thing - you MADE infinite nitro instead of removing it. And i completely do not understand the logic.
Maybe you can explain? Why you decided that nitro-to-any-car was not enough, and made infinite nitro? What arguments do you have? Maybe you did some tests, got some numbers?
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The /nos command has always been infinite, there were never any limitations on it. The only thing we did was add a shortcut for it (pressing Y instead of the command), which I don't think had a lot of impact on how people were using it.
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The /nos command has always been infinite, there were never any limitations on it. The only thing we did was add a shortcut for it (pressing Y instead of the command), which I don't think had a lot of impact on how people were using it.
But the question was: what arguments do you have to "keep" infinite nitro on the server?
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The /nos command has always been infinite, there were never any limitations on it. The only thing we did was add a shortcut for it (pressing Y instead of the command), which I don't think had a lot of impact on how people were using it.
But the question was: what arguments do you have to "keep" infinite nitro on the server?
Go f************, everytime i see the forum,i found you moaning and" crying about vips features.
i don't knew why are you still playing here.
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I don't think there's that much of an advantage to gain between just having normal nitro and infinite nitro. I'm not denying there an advantage exists, of course there is, but I just think the margin on this is very low, and not enough to warrant limiting it. I don't see it as an unovercomable advantage. So, I agree with the poll and I don't think we should be limiting it.
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Okay, finally you said that. Your decision was based on what you "feel". But can you concretize how big that difference between nitro and infinite nitro is? 5%? 7%? Can you "feel" that too?
And what is a "big" difference for you? 20%? 30%?
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There never was any decision, we just made it work like it did in the old PTP, just as anything else. I can't really put any exact number on it, but I think that in most cases it doesn't matter whether you have 'normal' nitro or infinite nitro. Anyway, that's just my opinion, which seems to align with what most people think here. As far as I understand, this is meant to be just a discussion topic, to get a view of what the community thinks of this. We won't be making any changes based on this. If you want to suggest a change, you can do so on the suggestions board (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?board=3.0).
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That is not completely true. I do not know what do you mean when saying "we". This is your server, and that was your decision to have nitro for vips on this server. And when they (vips) came to you and asked if they can have a "solid" infinite nitro, you without any discussion said "ok, here is your hotkey, now you have it".
Everything here is your decision. In this example you do not have your own arguments for this your decision. And i can only wonder what arguments you have for "less controversial vip features" like sniper rifle or fast skins.
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That is not completely true. I do not know what do you mean when saying "we". This is your server, and that was your decision to have nitro for vips on this server. And when they (vips) came to you and asked if they can have a "solid" infinite nitro, you without any discussion said "ok, here is your hotkey, now you have it".
Everything here is your decision. In this example you do not have your own arguments for this your decision. And i can only wonder what arguments you have for "less controversial vip features" like sniper rifle or fast skins.
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A leader speaks in we and never in I, a leader listens to others people suggestion and if good use them and give that person credit. I followed this topic for a few weeks and but it looks like you are fighting a lonely battle, not against the vips features, but against authority. You have always done that and that will never change. The only thing I will never understand why you're doing it. But that will probably be me. Goodluck SoLoD, may your cause be right and justified.
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Jonne is the only ptp scripter on this server and yet there are still pointless and useless discussions as this one.
I get there are people that dont like things but.. ofc what am i talking.