Plan B
General => Suggestions => Closed => Topic started by: Hito on June 24, 2018, 07:27:36 pm
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no.
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Well you should not care about it.
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Don't worry about proofs,they have their own place where to post them and track the suspected player.
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No!
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why
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Where are you hito pute
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If you know you were banned for using hacks why admins need to prove that to you? :P
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Every community has their own way of processing the ban appeals. I'm sure they do discuss the proofs/evidences of the accused before banning them straight forward (in case of veterans).
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Where are you hito pute
Sucking jonne's assh**e for unban
If you know you were banned for using hacks why admins need to prove that to you? :P
Do u have a proof that I used Aimbot ? No, does admins have ? Yes , can u show me that ? No, we believe that u cheated logs and videos prove that.
Dude u probably never played in other samp servers community
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Because someome called Skyfire[GgT] caught using damage hacks and jonne shows him a proof ( a video made by fini I think ) and I've made a search about skyfire ban appeal but I can't find a single shit, maybe got deleted who knows...
edited : topic still there sorry my fault
Well you should not care about it.
Ofc u have to say that just to become a lvl 4 whoe
Shet
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Sure, but only in case of subjective cases like aimbot. If the admins can't post videos they should at least post screenshots or timestamps of the time when they found the player hacking.
If the player has recorded his gameplay at that time , then he can post it for his defence.
Well you should not care about it.
That's exactly the opposite of what you said when you weren't mod xD jaja
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If you have been breaking rules in any sort, the evidence should be sent to the banned player in theyr private messages atleast.
On another server we just send them the proofs so everyone can see it (bad idea), which create conflicts between staff members and players.
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Admins are not idiots and they know better than you that what you did and what is necessary to do. In this case, go and cry somewhere else.
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we need to stop this corruption!
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Admins are not idiots and they know better than you that what you did and what is necessary to do. In this case, go and cry somewhere else.
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-I'm not here defending my case*
-I never lied about my ban history not like you Vehicle Health Hacker*
-And yeah joining GgT to become a Mod then leaving them for lvl4
Ggwp son
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Part of me agrees, (I never have the feeling of being Banned)
But if you know you are cheating then you have to accept the consiquence.
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Admins are not idiots and they know better than you that what you did and what is necessary to do. In this case, go and cry somewhere else.
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-I'm not here defending my case*
-I never lied about my ban history not like you Vehicle Health Hacker*
-And yeah joining GgT to become a Mod then leaving them for lvl4
Ggwp son
This is not a place to talk about it son. moreover I never wanted lvl 4 so ok but if you want me lvl 4 then one thing i will do is to make sure that proofs are not provided to the guilty and banned person.
P.S: I am defending my statement like before so do anything you wanna do as now I dont care.
Admins are not idiots and they know better than you that what you did and what is necessary to do. In this case, go and cry somewhere else.
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Admins are not idiots and they know better than you that what you did and what is necessary to do. In this case, go and cry somewhere else.
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-I'm not here defending my case*
-I never lied about my ban history not like you Vehicle Health Hacker*
-And yeah joining GgT to become a Mod then leaving them for lvl4
Ggwp son
This is not a place to talk about it son. moreover I never wanted lvl 4 so ok but if you want me lvl 4 then one thing i will do is to make sure that proofs are not provided to the guilty and banned person.
P.S: I am defending my statement like before so do anything you wanna do as now I dont care.
Admins are not idiots and they know better than you that what you did and what is necessary to do. In this case, go and cry somewhere else.
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https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=398.0
So Scarry how people changes nowadays*
Quoted from ur ban appel:
What the hell? I dont use hacks man who said i hacks?u got any hacking proofs on me?if you have please show it to me if u havent have it let me tell u one of proof.....
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i am neutral, i think they should sent proof via pm when player dont accept that he hacked(ofc blur the things which is not meant for showing players), such we have case like boomx3 argued about wrong ban on him and itd sounds like he was wanting proof or wanted to re-check his ban, we know that admin will not do any false ban and most cases player accept that he hacked at last moment and if admin show proof then also nothing goes? no doubt admins take time and have accurate decision so showing proof is not necessary, my view, correct me if i said wrong.
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I was new to this multiplayer (samp) world. Thats why I did many rubbish over rubbish in the start but now I got a clever mind and I can see whats right and wrong. Whatever but proofs are essential part of evidences. It wont be given away to others.
Lets see what would head admins say about this pointless suggestion.
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I don't think so.
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it's funny how most of the people that voted -1, are admins lol
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we need to stop this corruption!
There is no corruption. Admins don't practice partiality here. -1
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Well, let's take a precise look on your suggestion...
First, there was a call for sending the proofs privately to the banned person. I guess that it is out of the question, because the banned person is the only one who actually knows if they were banned wrongfully or not. You can't lie to yourself. So, they don't need any proofs for something they do already know.
So, let's look for a possible reason to ask admins to post the proofs publicly. I see only a single one: the community mistrusts the administration, questioning its decisions. What decisions are being questioned? Obviously, bans for obvious things like spawning a minigun do not interest the community. They want to be sure about complicated cases such as using aimbot. I can understand it. However, I don't see how posting the proofs might help. What do you want to see? Recordings? The admins never ban people for it based on their empyrical observations, so this one falls off. Anticheat reports? Well, there is no way for a mere player to check if an admin posted real, genuine data? If you don't trust admins' decision, why would you trust their proofs that can easily be fabricated? You cannot determine whether the following lines are genuine:
[26.06.2018 00:10:18] [Anticheat] [Rawr]Quido is suspected to be using aimbot (weapon: minigun, hit distance: 586).
Summarizing: no proofs would be valid for you if you don't trust the admins a priori.
Now about the trust. Why would you mistrust admins on the first place? How can you talk about any sort of corruption if it isn't about money or power? The Staff team is not a bunch of officials who only care about their own well-being. Even if they wanted it, it's simply impossible in our environment. Admins here are mature and responsible people united by the same goal: to make the server better. To make it more attractive for you, players. Why would we, admins, spend our time and energy on administrating if we wanted anything else?
Consider it as a form of the Social Contract (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract). You, players, grant us, admins, a right to ban some of you who play unfairly, cheat, eliminating the fun for others. In return, you receive a hacker-free, bug-free, safe and enjoyful gaming server with a very liberal community opened to any kind of reasonable discussions. If you didn't receive your fun, would you spend your time playing here? The fact that you do proves that this "social contract" works.
So, -1.
P.S. I deliberately didn't say anything about the sensivity of the proofs gathered by admins. As for me, it is already a reason enough to lock this topic, but I don't do it, nor I don't even mention it, as I realise that it wouldn't convince anyone. Maybe just pure logical reasonings would instead.
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I don't think this is feasible to begin with, since it would mean that admins would have to maintain huge libraries of videos just for banned players, most of whom are banned for obvious reasons and also aren't worth the disk space, then many would have to upload those videos on less-than-ideal connections. As some of us remember from the old propagandized Reports section, a video still doesn't necessarily translate to proof, particularly when it lacks context (which requires more disk space). I'm not saying that admins shouldn't document possibly controversial bans for staff purposes, it makes sense for many obvious reasons.
I agree with Altus that there is little reason to share video proof outside of the staff, since the only real purpose would be in giving biased community members material for bullshit. If you're really so concerned about admins having a good reason for banning you: a) why? b) can't you record your own video? c) have you ever been wrongly banned yourself?
If you think the staff here is bad enough to require posted proof for every ban, then I would suggest you visit some other servers and find out how truly shitty servers operate. I've been banned in some servers with crappy admin teams just for "overusing planes" or for doing tricks like flying backwards (these servers will remain unnamed).
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u guys seriously think PTP is corrupt lol
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What? I guess before banning a particular player, the evidence is shown to all the admins and only after that a decision is announced. There is no chance of injustice. -1
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What? I guess before banning a particular player, the evidence is shown to all the admins and only after that a decision is announced. There is no chance of injustice. -1
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This.
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Admins are not idiots and they know better than you that what you did and what is necessary to do. In this case, go and cry somewhere else.
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they are not gods. they make mistakes too. whats so wrong about showing the proof? Hito woudnt bark like this if he did something.
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Admins are not idiots and they know better than you that what you did and what is necessary to do. In this case, go and cry somewhere else.
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they are not gods. they make mistakes too. whats so wrong about showing the proof? Hito woudnt bark like this if he did something.
I think Hito should post an ban appeal and should ask for proof over there.
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The evidence is not supplied to the banned players because there is absolutely no sense in doing that, for the reasons stated and explained by Altus.
Moreover, regular players are never banned in a split second and after a short observation. It takes detailed research and potential consultation with other staff members in order for a ban for aimbot/damage hacks to be placed. Regular players will never be banned based on instinct or personal relationships between a banned player and the staff member that banned him. Even if such a thing does occur, that particular staff member will have done wrong and there will be consequences for him/her (and an unban for the wrongfully banned player).
So, there is no use for revealing the evidence to the players. Alternatively, a staff member could loosely explain the evidence to you (if he/she chooses to do so). If you don't accept the given explanation, there really is no point seeing the actual evidence.
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Once again I'm not suggesting this to defence myselfmaybe yes and sending proofs via pm that will be good enough.
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Because someome called Skyfire[GgT] caught using damage hacks and jonne shows him a proof ( a video made by fini I think ) and I've made a search about skyfire ban appeal but I can't find a single shit, maybe got deleted who knows...
I gathered the needed evidence as a regular VIP player and then reported on the forum, that's why people were able to see it
But on topic, let's say you've been given your "proof" of using aimbot, then what? you're gonna agree yeah sorry guys it was just some mistake? even level 3 Staff don't get to see the evidence so just post your ban appeal and accept your punishment because there's really no other option unless you're right which I highly doubt given it's your 2nd ban for aimbot but good luck my friend
No love lost ;D
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hackers logic.-1.
i suggest giving someone already banned twise for aimbot a ''permanent ban'' this is a better suggestion.
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What? I guess before banning a particular player, the evidence is shown to all the admins and only after that a decision is announced. There is no chance of injustice. -1
Well, bro,it gets trickier with aimbots.
Obv admins won't be, and shouldn't be recording the player for proofs but I think that the player should still be able to know the timestamps of the moment when the ac showed possible aimbot warnings or when the admin found him fishy, so that he can, if he has, provide the videos in his defence.
I'm not sure how long admins observe a player before sharing their views with other admins, but there is still and always will be a chance of error and biasness. A player who has been playing shit for months and suddenly had few 'lucky' shots will obviously bring suspicion and might trigger some ac warnings, but again, idk how exactly the ac working and how fast admins jump to the conclusion. So I'd still like if they can at least give a chance to the player to post his side of gameplay and if he can't he stays banned anyway.
For the ones saying admins aren't biased, I'm sorry humans are always biased. At least admins tend to be the least biased guys in the community and yea i can second that PTP staff is better in ban handling than that in other servers. With the new scripts and all i feel there is almost zero scope of unfair admin involvement, so l don't think it should be a demand to ask for proofs but only a humble request to provide info if the player wants to defend his case in such subjective cases.
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hackers logic.-1.
i suggest giving someone already banned twise for aimbot a ''permanent ban'' this is a better suggestion.
Awesome suggestion!
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Instead of that,a player that has been banned for any kind of cheating should be marked as a cheater on forums and in game.. :-)
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we need to stop this corruption!
When u joined politics sis!
Well this topic must be stopped well there are admins and moderator as well who doesn't follow the rules and for them punishment is half the price than the actual punishment for normal players and this needs to be stopped!
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Well this topic must be stopped well there are admins and moderator as well who doesn't follow the rules and for them punishment is half the price than the actual punishment for normal players and this needs to be stopped!
Please give us an example with proof if you're so sure
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Yeah as Uthar said,give us an example of PTP's crooked Administrators.
PTP is and will remain as one of the best TDM server.
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Because someome called Skyfire[GgT] caught using damage hacks and jonne shows him a proof ( a video made by fini I think ) and I've made a search about skyfire ban appeal but I can't find a single shit, maybe got deleted who knows...
I gathered the needed evidence as a regular VIP player and then reported on the forum, that's why people were able to see it
But on topic, let's say you've been given your "proof" of using aimbot, then what? you're gonna agree yeah sorry guys it was just some mistake? even level 3 Staff don't get to see the evidence so just post your ban appeal and accept your punishment because there's really no other option unless you're right which I highly doubt given it's your 2nd ban for aimbot but good luck my friend
No love lost ;D
cant you guys just give atleast 1 proof("video") to Hito? y not hear something from the players side?hackers logic.-1.
i suggest giving someone already banned twise for aimbot a ''permanent ban'' this is a better suggestion.
Awesome suggestion!
i think i already know the reason why you left GgT...
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Meliodas sama just leave it nothing would change here.
Free to close this idiotic topic
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damn it just feels like theres something they dont want us to see.. like how it works or wkwkkwkw
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damn it just feels like theres something they dont want us to see.. like how it works or wkwkkwkw
You answered yourself
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I Don't think admins should show the proofs to all the players.
Maybe send PM with Proof Can solve this problem...
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Well this topic must be stopped well there are admins and moderator as well who doesn't follow the rules and for them punishment is half the price than the actual punishment for normal players and this needs to be stopped!
Please give us an example with proof if you're so sure
Today in game while sumit was terrorist and was going to kill president I rammed him just twice and for that he miss - used his power to jail me for 3 minutes and what about other VIP players in spawn or any place use their saw and we get stuck and they feel that it's fun and no one cares about it. Well I have no proof but when get some proofs I want hall to be warn them or else.
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Well this topic must be stopped well there are admins and moderator as well who doesn't follow the rules and for them punishment is half the price than the actual punishment for normal players and this needs to be stopped!
Please give us an example with proof if you're so sure
Today in game while sumit was terrorist and was going to kill president I rammed him just twice and for that he miss - used his power to jail me for 3 minutes and what about other VIP players in spawn or any place use their saw and we get stuck and they feel that it's fun and no one cares about it. Well I have no proof but when get some proofs I want hall to be warn them or else.
Well, Team ramming by mistake is not a problem but you got punished for team ramming "intentionally".
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Spici_Popot, if you want this case to be investigated, feel free to start a new topic (a report), instead of posting here.
This topic is getting locked on a request of its author.