Plan B
General => Suggestions => Closed => Topic started by: MegaPilot on June 30, 2018, 01:35:19 pm
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I don't see how any of you can be FOR this.
Regulars do it all the time, they block the entrance of Area 69 and they get in the car every 45 seconds so it doesn't respawn. The terrorists literally can't enter Area 69.
How is this fair? If you think this should be allowed, tell me how do I enter Area 69 if the entrance is literally blocked by a vehicle that I can't move?
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We can put things that will block car Entrance to area.
Example - Like in the past that we block car Entrance to Pirates ship Armour on LV.
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We can put things that will block car Entrance to area.
Example - Like in the past that we block car Entrance to Pirates ship Armour on LV.
They drive a car INTO area. Which means we CANNOT enter.
How is this fair? Noone can get inside and they just re-enter the vehicle every 45 seconds so it doesn't respawn. We literally can't do anything. Why are we allowing this?
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I'll block you
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It's something called 'tactics'
Just to make you come with a rustler and protect the president.
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Yeah, I like to be president in WV for that reason and, from my experience, it would be way easier if I simply spent 15 minutes on a NRG or an Infernus (something nobody has ever suggested to disallow). I only survived once using this tactic, but I like it because there's more struggle and action. Terrorists almost always make their way inside: you press G next to the car and wait, you throw a nade when someone gets in the car to keep it active, you ram the car with another one (I can confirm this works for Turismos) or simply a (not very brilliant) security or cop will move the car.
If there are reasons to remove this, there are twice as many reasons to remove less risky tactics such as NRGs or mountain bikes.
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Omg mia, you and your long speach....
btw block area 51, cuz presi camps there and no 1 can get in and kill him.
So it's fucked up.
I think area 51 is allowed in NSA, and the presi goes inside with 5 security, and 5 cops.
And GL getting in.
Block this ffs, ty.
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Omg mia, you and your long speach....
btw block area 51, cuz presi camps there and no 1 can get in and kill him.
So it's fucked up.
I think area 51 is allowed in NSA, and the presi goes inside with 5 security, and 5 cops.
And GL getting in.
Block this ffs, ty.
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It's ez to say but noobs like to only choose the protecting class and u wont deny this useless suggestions
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Yes i do agree with you MegaPilot. That's is happening often and need to be fixed somehow with some objects. It's really unfair and it's some sort of an advantage for the President and his team.
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I remember there's a similar topic and i mentioned why i feel voting against not allowing this.
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I don't think that needs to be fixed for it was just a tactics. That way you engaged in more action, making the game more lively and fun.
Eventually, those players who blocked the entrance loses health, that's the time you take advantage of that situation.
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I don't think that needs to be fixed for it was just a tactics. That way you engaged in more action, making the game more lively and fun.
Eventually, those players who blocked the entrance loses health, that's the time you take advantage of that situation.
Yes you are rightt
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Reach area before president arrives.
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Yeah, I like to be president in WV for that reason and, from my experience, it would be way easier if I simply spent 15 minutes on a NRG or an Infernus (something nobody has ever suggested to disallow). I only survived once using this tactic, but I like it because there's more struggle and action. Terrorists almost always make their way inside: you press G next to the car and wait, you throw a nade when someone gets in the car to keep it active, you ram the car with another one (I can confirm this works for Turismos) or simply a (not very brilliant) security or cop will move the car.
If there are reasons to remove this, there are twice as many reasons to remove less risky tactics such as NRGs or mountain bikes.
They don't always make it inside.
You have a split second to nade the car while someone gets in while they have a clear shot ALL THE TIME on your ass, so you get killed instantly.
Reasons to remove this: it's unfair and we can't enter. When people are using NRG's and Mountain Bikes, we can shoot them. When Area is blocked, we can't. That's the difference, it's not rocket science..
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With 8 nades on the map .. Use it
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Please dont ;)
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+1 You are right its hard to get in but it might to get in by pushing the car from the back and pressing G after pushing it
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-1. How is suppose to hide from Hydras in Area 69 with all terrorits and civilians coming inside to kill him without any barrier?
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-1. How is suppose to hide from Hydras in Area 69 with all terrorits and civilians coming inside to kill him without any barrier?
Hydras can't hit the president if he is already inside..
Seriously, are opinions like these taken seriously when a rule change is being taken into consideration? This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
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They don't always make it inside.
They don't always make it to the president's NRG either, if he decides to spend 15 minutes speeding around the map. Or if you decided to camp on a ship and YoMama was guarding the skies, I wouldn't always make it to the ship either. So what?
Reasons to remove this: it's unfair and we can't enter. When people are using NRG's and Mountain Bikes, we can shoot them. When Area is blocked, we can't. That's the difference, it's not rocket science..
You can enter. I mentioned three ways inside, and you only bothered counter-argumenting the hardest one of them (and your argument was that it is hard, not that it is impossible).
Yes, when people use NRGs and mountain bikes you can shoot them, but you have to reach them first (and 90% of the difficulty lies in the "reaching" part). The same applies here.
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This has been suggested before:
https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=3524.0
My reply in that topic:
The ones with +1 are hardly choosing the sec class so i won't blame them if they didn't consider the other side. If you guys say there are 10+ security/cops protecting president INSIDE area then it is complete bullshit since half of the securities are dumb to know where presi is or to know how to get inside area to actually protect.
There are already terrorist hydras waiting outside (above)area (80 percent of times) and no cop/security hydra to shoot them down, which makes it hard for secs to go refill or to bring blocking vehicles. Basically, after a couple of minute the NSA map has started , the president is stuck in area with a hope to survive there. In such case , we gotta ensure president stays safe inside by any means.
We can't afford letting even 3(yes just 3 ) terrorists go inside area when presi literally can't even run for his life(can't sprint in most parts of area). There is no escape vehicle, there is no back exit, nothing. And he is trapped with a bunch of newbie secs most of the times who just mess up the blocking vehicle or nade president.
Also, if it is turismo or some low height car , terros can use spas to clear secs around th enterance. It's not ez, i know, but it should be challenging for terrorists for atleast ONE map ffs.
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I agree that it's kind of dirty, particularly since it's basically a bug. I think making cars in the corridor impossible to get back into would help, since then a blocking car would actually respawn and give people an opportunity to get in. I do mean only cars, bikes and other vehicles that can't block the corridor should be unaffected. Maybe decreasing the respawn time would be a next step. Just a block of less than a minute can be effective. If people really miss being able to block off the entrance, maybe a one-time (per presidency) physical block of a minute or so, activated by only the President, would be cool. Make it so people can still shoot through so the "firefight through a narrow window" aspect is retained. Maybe a door that comes halfway up from the floor.
Those who are complaining about terrorist Hydras need to actually do something about it. The police/swat class can be the most effective protecting force in NSA, if it's made up of non-idiots. I often end up stopping many of the terrorists from even getting near the President (that includes the ones in Hydras), whether or not he's in Area 69. Two or three reasonable competent police could make it impossible for anyone to get near on the ground, and for anyone to get near from the air by taking over the airports. Before any of you give me the "but I can't fly" bullshit, try learning. I couldn't fly either, at one point.
Also, the Hydra excuse is only half-relevant. This tactic can also be used in WV, which has a much larger Presidential margin for error and therefore little justification for its use.
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I will find a way an block entrance. Cheers area69 8)
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Welcome to samp.
Just like with hydra you are overpowered, there's is always a grey area or loop hole to overcome the situation. Using GTA physics to perform such actions is common and rather than calling it an abuse, i would call it a smart move. Play with tactics, spray your nades and find some way out.
Imho all of these practices are useless unless you have a better team to defend you.
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If ways are blocked then how about adding a deep-6 launch where presi can escape. I remember there is another door that opens but for now it's closed. If you remember the blackproject mission in SP mode. My theory is same, Presi launches from there,as presi launches SAM sites will auto-enable to kill terror hydras, clearing the way for presi and his team, SAM disables when presi get out of range of area from mini map. About launching, Presi will be ejected and will be given a para and get down on ground and escape with a car. It will be a simple solution.
About blocking the main door, putting the barricade will do the job. When presi reaches area, he must close the main door from radar room. That barricade can be destoryed by explosions or gernades or even by kamikaze. Rest will be on terrors. Barricade can be re-enabled after every 3 or 5 minutes (depends on necessity) if and only if barricade destroys somehow.
P.S: Barricade should not be destoryed by hydra rockets.
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what if add that entry too from one of those windows maybe when you can go just while getting out of a vehicle
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after terro die it take 1min to go back to area with armour, i suggest to make a script when 6mins are left, that script is for respawning any vehicle, not like EMP in COD type lol, they can drive veh but not stopping vehicle respawn, so i guess it will be balance, not too hard not too easy
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No thanks, i like to block :)
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No thanks, i like to block :)
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No thanks, i like to block :)
No thanks, i like to block :)
I like to have any weapon I want at any time. However, that's not a reason for me to have it when these suggestions are supposed to be in the best interest of the gamemode, not myself. Similarly, yours isn't an argument which considers that either.
Do you like being on the other side of the block? Even if you have masochistic tendencies and enjoy a no-win situation (there is actually a way to kill the President without even getting in, but I'm not letting that tactic go in case people get wise to it), you have to admit that it's dirty play (not in that way, sicko!) and basically reduces the game to getting into a Turismo every minute or so while people play Red vs. Blue cowboys outside.
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We can put things that will block car Entrance to area.
Example - Like in the past that we block car Entrance to Pirates ship Armour on LV.
Megapilot U right it happends alot for me ....
And Idan im tottaly agree with u we have to put things ... nice idea
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Yeah, I like to be president in WV for that reason and, from my experience, it would be way easier if I simply spent 15 minutes on a NRG or an Infernus (something nobody has ever suggested to disallow). ...
OK that's false. There may have not been a topic created in planb but this was suggested many times throughout the years in the old PTP forum under names like "Stop president NRG whoring". It's been ignored so many times that I wouldn't be surprised if players have just given up. I don't like it personally because this encourages Security not to follow their /duty most of the time. It's suppose to protect the president, not try to catch up and then protect the president.
... Terrorists almost always make their way inside: you press G next to the car and wait, you throw a nade when someone gets in the car to keep it active, you ram the car with another one (I can confirm this works for Turismos) or simply a (not very brilliant) security or cop will move the car. ...
Let me debunk this false notion that "Terrorists almost always make their way inside". Because they don't nearly all of the time when I'm playing this map.
- NONE OF THESE SOLUTIONS ARE UNDER THE TERRORISTS CONTROL
- "you press G next to the car and wait"
- this is basically bug abusing since you're teleporting into a vehicle that is inaccessible the normal way
- this method isn't guaranteed to work most of the time - passenger entry is restricted when the passenger doors are too close to a wall
- Large/wide cars are almost guaranteed to prevent driver/passenger entry AND preventing the vehicle from being moved
- Certain narrow cars can fit in between the door walls just enough until the vehicle is stuck preventing driver/passenger entry AND preventing the vehicle from being moved
- the passenger entry bug puts you in an auto run mode which forces the player in an unwanted direction for the next 5 seconds
- the passenger entry bug also depends on you pressing g and not pressing any action keys for the NEXT 5 SECONDS - this means you CANNOT press ANY walking keys (up, left, right, down), jump key, and the crouch key otherwise it will reset the timer for auto passenger teleportation and breaks auto run mode
- also during auto run mode if your character performs another animation such as falling down (since the entry to Area 69 has stairs) or run around in a COMPLETE circle ONCE - then this also will reset the timer for auto passenger teleportation and break auto run mode
- "simply a (not very brilliant) security or cop will move the car."
- It is very rare for a player to do this and in most cases the police / security are trapped inside unable to enter the driver's seat. Also if a cop/security intentionally does this to help the terrorist side it can also be considered as violating their duty since they are intentionally putting the president in risk. - "you throw a nade when someone gets in the car to keep it active"
- If you're suggesting the grenades will move a vehicle - it won't nearly everytime especially if that vehicle is stuck. NSA is the hydra map and even hydra rockets cannot budge those vehicle. The Area 69 entrance is well inside a hydra's rocket blast radius. - "you ram the car with another one (I can confirm this works for Turismos)"
- And you won't get that chance since you take collision damage when entering the stairway plus several players spraying their M4 at you. Also if you might accidentally land over the low car you are trying to ram and have twos vehicle stuck if you manage to exit your vehicle quick enough to avoid dying in a car explosion. Finally, even if you try pushing another car into the entrance by running behind the vehicle to avoid vehicle damage, you'll get that vehicle stuck after you pushed the first vehicle that was stuck or both vehicles will be stuck in the entrance. - Also armed with the fact that both Security and Cops have M4s, they always spraying the hallway under cover and at a distance make it impossible to attempt any of Mia's "solutions"
There's noway terrorists can gain entry unless a novice player has improperly parked a smaller vehicle in the Area 69 entrance which isn't the case since it is regular players that are performing these maneuvers.
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Yeah, I like to be president in WV for that reason and, from my experience, it would be way easier if I simply spent 15 minutes on a NRG or an Infernus (something nobody has ever suggested to disallow). ...
OK that's false. There may have not been a topic created in planb but this was suggested many times throughout the years in the old PTP forum under names like "Stop president NRG whoring". It's been ignored so many times that I wouldn't be surprised if players have just given up. I don't like it personally because this encourages Security not to follow their /duty most of the time. It's suppose to protect the president, not try to catch up and then protect the president.
Agreed. The President basically can sit around and do absolutely nothing while watching their security if the entrance to Area 69 is blocked off. However, you can't rest with Infernuses and NRGs. There are actually ways to take them down; multiple ways even as a lone terrorist. I disagree that it encourages security misbehavior-- I'm sure you've seen games where the President has a posse of protecting NRGs/Infernuses which may even stunt to locations with the President. The problem lies with stupid and/or incompetent security, not the President.
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I'll block you
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I have seen today that the entrance is now covered with a pillar. No one can park a car there to block. However, Bikes can go in and out without any difficulty. So I think problem has been solved.
Cheers!
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I have seen today that the entrance is now covered with a pillar. No one can park a car there to block. However, Bikes can go in and out without any difficulty. So I think problem has been solved.
Cheers!
No, I have seen people stunt a Banshee in there. Problem still there.
There needs to be a pillar in the air so you can't jump over it. Any VIP with NOS easily does the stunt to get a vehicle to block.
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I think its done.
When exactly did you try this? We've tested and changed it a couple of times yesterday until we had a working solution, so I don't think it's possible anymore.
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I thought President can do whatever is possible to survive. You guys are making the game mode shittier day by day by these suggestions.
Good luck.
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I thought President can do whatever is possible to survive. You guys are making the game mode shittier day by day by these suggestions.
Good luck.
Easy for yoU to say when you are almost always sec or police when the map west vwnturas or NSA IS ON
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I thought President can do whatever is possible to survive. You guys are making the game mode shittier day by day by these suggestions.
Good luck.
Within reason. He's not allowed to cheat to survive, and blocking is pretty dirty, if not cheating.
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Diverify The Areaaaa! Open up the blocked Rooms and make the ground solid it will expand by 60% and replace the object to something cool as a alternative entrance as PacoBean suggested. This blocking would be irrelevant by then although its already done.
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This was already suggested: https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=3524.0 and has been added in the meanwhile.