Plan B
General => Suggestions => Added => Topic started by: YoMama on March 09, 2018, 02:31:12 am
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I'm finally suggesting this because I don't want to be misinterpreted, and it seems that no one else will.
Simply put, VIPs are overpowered and complacent. It's blatantly obvious that we have access to overpowered weapons, most of us simply for paying a few bucks years ago. Most games I play offer paid weapons that aren't all-around better, but give someone abilities that allow them to play differently, but don't necessarily make them much more powerful, if at all.
It used to be more this way, pre-lagcomp. Snipers were useful if someone was standing around, but that was about it. Even if you were very good at lead-aiming, they simply weren't that great. Chainsaws remain the same; they still require aiming ahead and a target that either makes a costly mistake or is unlucky. Back then, I wanted to be a VIP because I wanted to mod my cars.
This is no longer the case. The elephant in the room in this debate is the sniper. It went from "meh" to "dominate most people in range without one" once lagcomp was enabled. I don't like lag-comped snipers. I don't care who has them, I think they're way too overpowered. Few VIPs seem to see this as a problem, because "hey that's what we paid for, right?". The sniper is basically impossible to escape except by getting out of line-of-sight if someone has reasonable aim, it takes down way too much health, it stuns you on foot so you get hit even more when you're trying to escape, it pops tires with a shot, this list goes on and on. There is no real disadvantage.
This is fucked up. The point of having VIPs is to fund the server, and in exchange, give the people funding it some cool stuff. The ideal VIP donor (not customer) wants the server to succeed and grow, and the donation system rewards that without fucking up the server. The current VIP system doesn't do this. It allow the subset of players which has money to waste to become far more powerful than the rest. The server may gain funding, but for the wrong reasons and with bad effects. Instead of having a nicely-funded, fair server, we have a nicely-funded server with some non-VIPs for the VIPs to use as sniper target practice, and other VIPs for the VIPs to play against. Yes, it's possible to play as a non-VIP against VIPs, but it's not fun (unless you're like me, and enjoy being at a disadvantage) and often makes it painfully obvious that "paying for VIP" often means "paying for success"
We also have a VIP section on the forum, in which additional toys and advantages are suggested for players who contributed once to the server, without any input from the players they'd like to use them against. This is what we've created:
I had a friend who tried PTP out because I asked him time and time again. And he did. And he quit, because according to him, the VIPs are "too OP".
When discussing the possible removal of TransFender ingame, I was told
We are making those features disable for other player to increase the demand of VIP
We now have VIPs spouting bullshit to basically keep the advantages to themselves, as (1)[H]nZ88 points out.
In my opinion, this is the wrong approach. I've seen talk of removing /holiday eng and decreasing the M4 skill for the police, which all just stinks of people trying to get snipers even stronger than they already are. With every change one should make sure that players are on a somewhat level playing field. If that is not the case, the non-vip playerbase will decrease and keep decreasing. If there's no non-vips then there's noone left to buy VIP, if that makes sense. I've dealt with the same issue in other games and I've seen servers where they massively overbuff VIPs which leads to a declining playerbase.
I am the one who suggested removing /holiday eng and decreasing M4 skill, and while I still stand behind those suggestions, I agree that we need bigger changes before we can even get into making smaller adjustments like those. While I resent being lumped in as someone looking to increase VIP vs. non-VIP inequality, I'm not surprised that it happened, given the VIP culture nowadays. (1)[H]nZ88 is right- we should be trying to fix the inequality issue, and I have been part of the problem by dancing around it in my suggestions. If we don't, at a basic level it just mean and small-minded, but at a higher level, we hurt the server that our donations were intended to help.
TL;DR:
What do I think we should do about the unfairness? I think we have at least two reasonable courses of action for the weapons problem:
- Make overpowered weapons less powerful through scripting and/or by turning them into pickups so they aren't always available.
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- Disable lagcomp, since it doesn't make sense with the gamemode anyway and made the sniper extremely overpowered.
I know removing fast skins was also proposed and nixed by Jonne, but I think they're pretty obviously unfair and I think that it should be reconsidered. If anyone's got other ideas, post them below. If anyone thinks that it's unreasonable to remove or make some VIP features more fair, remember that the purpose of donation is to help the server, not to help you. Also keep in mind that while you may be a fantastic player, it doesn't really show it off that well if you frequently use an obviously overpowered VIP feature that you paid for against players who don't have access to it.
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This can't be done for the same reason fast skins couldn't be removed. And there was a large part of the community for removing fast skins...
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This can't be done for the same reason fast skins couldn't be removed. And there was a large part of the community for removing fast skins...
Um why is that so mia?
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This can't be done for the same reason fast skins couldn't be removed. And there was a large part of the community for removing fast skins...
Nah you just can block them like the vicepres and president main skin ,damn you are a very good coder indeed
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Should've added this great quote from a player classified as one that helps the server.
Im buying vip just bcz of the fastskin, sniper , and nitro. If it gets removed there wont be a point in the vips.
u pay for ur overpowered stuff. If they wanna be overpowered let them pay :) if not, suffer is suffer :D
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This can't be done for the same reason fast skins couldn't be removed. And there was a large part of the community for removing fast skins...
Um why is that so mia?
Good question- if you're going to point to the terms, I don't see the conflict. We don't allow bugs, so why do we allow bugged skins that give a huge advantage?
If they bought VIP because they thought it would let them basically abuse bugs legally and not because they wanted to help the server, why does that even matter? Just because they thought the terms meant something that they don't isn't a reason to protect bugged skins that are obviously unfair.
It's not like you're giving anyone else an advantage over VIPs by removing fast skins. You're just making things more fair, which, in the long run, is better for our community. Are the existing VIP features like tuning at will and the ability to force reclass not good enough?
I understand feeling uncomfortable about removing features that people may claim to have donated for, but it's not like they don't already have enough advantages over the rest of the server, or like everyone donated for fast skins. Regardless, it's not worth humoring a small group of people who donated for the wrong reasons at the expense of non-VIPs and anyone who cares about reasonably fair play.
Should've added this great quote from a player classified as one that helps the server.
Im buying vip just bcz of the fastskin, sniper , and nitro. If it gets removed there wont be a point in the vips.
u pay for ur overpowered stuff. If they wanna be overpowered let them pay :) if not, suffer is suffer :D
This server was largely a departure from the "you're either in the club or you're fucked" style that Tenshi went by. However, I think it's unintentionally being continued by giving VIPs overpowered features that for whatever reason aren't being limited.
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Bullshit
You know how much Non-VIP players can kill me 1vs1?
It not weapons its not features - It's Skills
i paid to make this server run more time...
what now people will cry that i can tune my car?
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Yomama try to play with keyboard sometimes.Some players in PTP doesn't deserve it.(I'm not saying all of them just the players you know who are they)
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Bullshit
You know how much Non-VIP players can kill me 1vs1?
It not weapons its not features - It's Skills
i paid to make this server run more time...
what now people will cry that i can tune my car?
Lol that skill argument again, skill only helps to maximize weapon potential it can't go beyond it's limit.
Snipers have the obvious zoom and power advantage, it's higher than one's fookin draw distance on average condition. It's damage is literally second to none here(Miniguns and Rockets aren't available),Rifle's damage is weaker than Deagle which is more agile to use with.
Running Saws's 5/5 damage cannot be surpassed by any melee weapon all of which are Walking ones,except maybe Golf Club not to mention it isn't Lagcomped.
Most of the VIPs were already complaining in Christmas about Lvl0s killing them with snipers and yelling ''hurr durr undercover clan shit''.
Nitro can be literally be spammed without limits and that's huge boost to anybody who knows what to do about it and now the Transfender and Mod Shops have a chance of getting closed.
Yomama try to play with keyboard sometimes.Some players in PTP doesn't deserve it.(I'm not saying all of them just the players you know who are they)
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He uses keyboard too lol, he just uses joystick for flying which is much more convenient than keyboard one and because he was used to the Vice City Cam.
Deciding who deserves equal treatment or not is not upto us. All players are treated equal, even for those 'some' the majority shouldn't suffer. It's pointless.
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Gotta love those reactions :D
Honestly I'd like to have some changes about sniper (not that pickup thing tho) just to see how it'd be, it's obviously by far the most op thing in the server right now.
I'm fine with the rest of the features (except fast skins, I'm against those since their existence), they don't give that huge of an advantage compared to sniper.
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I bought my VIP back in 2010 for €16,00. I still have it today.
My suggestion: Make VIP €5,00 or €10,00 a month.
€20,00 for permanent VIP status is way too low of an amount, I think every VIP would agree with me. €5,00 per month would also give the players who can't afford €20,00 at once (or those who want to try it out) to just donate €5,00.
Removing the VIP status of players who are banned for serious offenses like hacking would also be a great thing, just saying.
Disable lagcomp
If that happens I'm definitely out of here.
Make overpowered weapons less powerful through scripting and/or by turning them into pickups so they aren't always available.
Make them less powerful? Might as well start using a rifle then.
remember that the purpose of donation is to help the server, not to help you.
Nah, it's definitely to help myself (and friends). I really don't care who pays for the server, it's not that much anyway.
it doesn't really show it off that well if you frequently use an obviously overpowered VIP feature that you paid for against players who don't have access to it.
You do realize that if what you are proposing happens, almost no one will donate ever again.
Nitro can be literally be spammed without limits and that's huge boost to anybody who knows what to do about it and now the Transfender and Mod Shops have a chance of getting closed.
Nitro isn't that big of an advantage.
We don't allow bugs, so why do we allow bugged skins that give a huge advantage?
This server does allow a few bugs.
like everyone donated for fast skins. Regardless, it's not worth humoring a small group of people who donated for the wrong reasons at the expense of non-VIPs and anyone who cares about reasonably fair play.
Yes, 90% of the vips donated for fast skins.
I think fast skins are pretty fair, they allow me to stand a chance against 300+ ping players.
"paying for VIP" often means "paying for success"
Yes, so?
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Increase Rifle dmg
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Um why is that so mia?
https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=467.msg3724#msg3724
Fast skins won't be removed for VIPs to pick, because of the simple reason it's part of the VIP package, people might have paid (in part) because they wanted to use fast skins, so we can't just take away a feature that was promised to them and that they've paid for. Even if it wasn't explicitly said so on the donation page, I've seen replies from VIPs that tell me they bought VIP (in part) to be able to use fast skins.
Same situation with the rest of VIP features.
I agree with you and I would do exactly what you are suggesting, but from replies in old suggestions, it's clear that Jonne is not willing to face an avalanche of critics, scam accusations and potential Paypal disputes for refund.
Personally, I would implement these suggestions, add an statement on the VIP information topic and accept any refund requests that come through Paypal (I don't think there would be many people interested in getting the money back and losing the VIP though). But of course, that's up to the owner.
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Increase Rifle dmg
There are so many possibilities to tackling this problem, but if Jonne is unwilling to nerf VIP features then buffing features that everyone has access is the logical alternative. +1 to better rifles.
My suggestion: Make VIP €5,00 or €10,00 a month.
This probably will not happen. It would decrease the amount of VIPs and therefore lessen the problem while still making sure the server gets revenue, or even more revenue than before. This will however not make the gap between VIPs and non-VIPs any smaller. And also, INB4 "People paid for permanent VIP, we can't remove their permanent VIP status, because that's what they paid for." And that is obvious, isn't it? After all, this is in the VIP Terms:
Once purchased, you stay VIP forever.
But you know what isn't in the VIP terms? "Once purchased, you retain access to all features that come with the VIP package." People paid for the status. Everyone who is saying they purchased VIP for sniper rifle or fast skins, tough shit, because that's not what you paid for. You paid for VIP and with it you got everything that comes with VIP.
If Jonne is planning on never making negative changes to VIP features then the game will forever stay unbalanced. As far as I'm aware, every VIP that has paid has gotten to taste the spoils and as such been rewarded for their payement.
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Increase Rifle dmg
There are so many possibilities to tackling this problem, but if Jonne is unwilling to nerf VIP features then buffing features that everyone has access is the logical alternative. +1 to better rifles.
My suggestion: Make VIP €5,00 or €10,00 a month.
This probably will not happen. It would decrease the amount of VIPs and therefore lessen the problem while still making sure the server gets revenue, or even more revenue than before. This will however not make the gap between VIPs and non-VIPs any smaller. And also, INB4 "People paid for permanent VIP, we can't remove their permanent VIP status, because that's what they paid for." And that is obvious, isn't it? After all, this is in the VIP Terms:
Once purchased, you stay VIP forever.
But you know what isn't in the VIP terms? "Once purchased, you retain access to all features that come with the VIP package." People paid for the status. Everyone who is saying they purchased VIP for sniper rifle or fast skins, tough shit, because that's not what you paid for. You paid for VIP and with it you got everything that comes with VIP.
If Jonne is planning on never making negative changes to VIP features then the game will forever stay unbalanced. As far as I'm aware, every VIP that has paid has gotten to taste the spoils and as such been rewarded for their payement.
^^
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Once purchased, you stay VIP forever.
This is still just an online game, these terms don't mean anything. Jonne can change them at any time if he wants to.
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He uses keyboard too lol, he just uses joystick for flying which is much more convenient than keyboard one and because he was used to the Vice City Cam.
I don't use a keyboard much if I don't have to. You can't really switch without changing settings every time. A gamepad isn't really much of an advantage at all except for fine movements. It's the reason why I suck on foot- it's really hard to aim.
Nitro can be literally be spammed without limits and that's huge boost to anybody who knows what to do about it and now the Transfender and Mod Shops have a chance of getting closed.
Nitro isn't a huge advantage, it just makes shitty cars a little faster but also harder to control. If someone chasing you has a better car or if bikes are involved, it doesn't matter. Planes are always faster too. I do agree that it would be unfair if the mod shops were disabled.
Honestly I'd like to have some changes about sniper (not that pickup thing tho) just to see how it'd be, it's obviously by far the most op thing in the server right now.
I'm fine with the rest of the features (except fast skins, I'm against those since their existence), they don't give that huge of an advantage compared to sniper.
That's mainly what I'm gunning for here, snipers and fast skins. What kind of changes would you propose for the sniper?
Disable lagcomp
If that happens I'm definitely out of here.
...I think fast skins are pretty fair, they allow me to stand a chance against 300+ ping players.
If fast skins help you against 300+ ping players, then what the fuck is lagcomp for?
You do realize that if what you are proposing happens, almost no one will donate ever again.
...90% of the vips donated for fast skins.
Come on, give some evidence.
Increase Rifle dmg
I don't like that idea, I'd rather reduce sniper damage. I don't like weapons that do huge amounts of damage from really long distances (why I wanted to weaken the M4).
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You do realize that if what you are proposing happens, almost no one will donate ever again.
...90% of the vips donated for fast skins.
Come on, give some evidence.
Sure, I'll just go around asking people why they bought VIP and then post screenshots of it here. Oh, wait, I have better things to do.
People buy VIP for 3 reasons and 3 reasons alone:
- Fast skins
- Sniper/saw
- Nitro
I don't care how the server costs get paid, or what Jonne does with the "donations".
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I've noticed that you keep suggesting on changing some VIP features, I've heard that PTP/Plan has began in 2008, and therefore, I was taking look in Tenshi's forum, and I didn't find out any suggestings about VIP features.
So this might not be a good deal.
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People buy VIP for 3 reasons and 3 reasons alone:
- Fast skins
- Sniper/saw
- Nitro
I don't care how the server costs get paid, or what Jonne does with the "donations".
Bad day?
According to some people, they mainly bought it to support the server. You calling them liars?
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Disable lagcomp
If that happens I'm definitely out of here.
:D :D
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You do realize that if what you are proposing happens, almost no one will donate ever again.
...90% of the vips donated for fast skins.
Come on, give some evidence.
Sure, I'll just go around asking people why they bought VIP and then post screenshots of it here. Oh, wait, I have better things to do.
Okay, I'll make up my own numbers then, since I've also got better things to do. 88.9% of players agree that VIPs are overpowered! 34.3% of VIPs donated mainly to support the server! The other 65.7% donated to get /cc!
I still don't see how fast skins are magically sanctified if a hypothetical someone with tunnel vision bought VIP for the sole purpose of using them (unlikely as it is).
People buy VIP for 3 reasons and 3 reasons alone:
- Fast skins
- Sniper/saw
- Nitro
What about having almost any skin they want, not just the unfair bugged ones? What about hydraulics, force reclassing, etc. that people might value if they don't just care about DMing? What about those weird people who buy VIP for other players because they killed players that they don't like ( ;) )? I hardly ever use the sniper, the saw sometimes, and I never use fast skins because I don't want to be one of "those people". Nitro is the only one I use often, but it's also not very overpowered at all compared to the other two. If you're going to make an argument, you could at least attempt to make your supporting evidence tangential to reality.
Disable lagcomp
If that happens I'm definitely out of here.
...I think fast skins are pretty fair, they allow me to stand a chance against 300+ ping players.
If fast skins help you against 300+ ping players, then what the fuck is lagcomp for?
Back to this: tell me why disabling lagcomp would be a huge step again? Apart from making shooting on foot overpowered with too-accurate weapons that were designed for the single player game, lagcomp is more notable to me in what it doesn't fix.
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You do realize that if what you are proposing happens, almost no one will donate ever again.
...90% of the vips donated for fast skins.
Come on, give some evidence.
Sure, I'll just go around asking people why they bought VIP and then post screenshots of it here. Oh, wait, I have better things to do.
Okay, I'll make up my own numbers then, since I've also got better things to do. 88.9% of players agree that VIPs are overpowered! 34.3% of VIPs donated mainly to support the server! The other 65.7% donated to get /cc!
I still don't see how fast skins are magically sanctified if a hypothetical someone with tunnel vision bought VIP for the sole purpose of using them (unlikely as it is).
People buy VIP for 3 reasons and 3 reasons alone:
- Fast skins
- Sniper/saw
- Nitro
What about having almost any skin they want, not just the unfair bugged ones? What about hydraulics, force reclassing, etc. that people might value if they don't just care about DMing? What about those weird people who buy VIP for other players because they killed players that they don't like ( ;) )? I hardly ever use the sniper, the saw sometimes, and I never use fast skins because I don't want to be one of "those people". Nitro is the only one I use often, but it's also not very overpowered at all compared to the other two. If you're going to make an argument, you could at least attempt to make your supporting evidence tangential to reality.
Disable lagcomp
If that happens I'm definitely out of here.
...I think fast skins are pretty fair, they allow me to stand a chance against 300+ ping players.
If fast skins help you against 300+ ping players, then what the fuck is lagcomp for?
Back to this: tell me why disabling lagcomp would be a huge step again? Apart from making shooting on foot overpowered with too-accurate weapons that were designed for the single player game, lagcomp is more notable to me in what it doesn't fix.
As someone who actually plays the game on a daily basis, I talk to almost every VIP. The ones who donated purely to "support the server" are in the minority. My guess is 1 in 10 and these people aren't active anyway. Some don't even play a decent amount of time for weeks.
The reclassing thing isn't special anymore. Server doesn't have 60 players online all day long like back in the day.
You keep saying that you are right and that I'm 100% wrong.
You don't want to be "one of those people"? Good for you. Doesn't mean you're right.
Yes, I buy vip for people so they can use sniper and saw. So what?
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I don't agree that people actually donate to help with the motive to keep the server running, hell people don't even know how much amount of money it takes for the server to stay up so why would they donate if they don't know where it's going, the answer they donate is to get the benefits. I couldn't find any topic where someone mentioned that "hey where can I only and only donate because I like this community and a thanks to w/e and I want to keep the server up because I can't find the donate button like old ptp"
So stop with that kindly
You know yourself none of this is happening, you're like 7-9 years late to suggest something like a change in VIP. When it has already been said that the system isn't changing whats the point of this lol.
I find it funny that some of you fail to realise the repeated attempts of you trying to change the core features of the gamemode never really resulted into something.
Keep trying! Maybe someday!
*kthxbai
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You keep saying that you are right and that I'm 100% wrong.
Did he say that you're 100% wrong? The only thing I see is that he wanted you to back up your claims. Frankly, it's your word against his and neither of you have proof. I smell hypocrisy on YoMama's part, even though I largely agree with him.
The reclassing thing isn't special anymore. Server doesn't have 60 players online all day long like back in the day.
Well, let me be honest with you here: you don't know what you're talking about. I see full classes every day. The maximum amount of people in a single class isn't dependant on whether there's 20 or 60 people online. It's about which side has more players. When I connect to the server, about 60% of the time I can't pick every class, because one is full. If you're VIP and are unable to notice that classes get full doesn't mean that they don't.
You know yourself none of this is happening, you're like 7-9 years late to suggest something like a change in VIP. When it has already been said that the system isn't changing whats the point of this lol.
I find it funny that some of you fail to realise the repeated attempts of you trying to change the core features of the gamemode never really resulted into something.
Keep trying! Maybe someday!
*kthxbai
Change is inevitable and not voicing your opinions simply becuase you have too little hope is, well, hopeless.
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You know yourself none of this is happening, you're like 7-9 years late to suggest something like a change in VIP. When it has already been said that the system isn't changing whats the point of this lol.
I find it funny that some of you fail to realise the repeated attempts of you trying to change the core features of the gamemode never really resulted into something.
Keep trying! Maybe someday!
*kthxbai
Change is inevitable and not voicing your opinions simply becuase you have too little hope is, well, hopeless.
This is a sa-mp server, not a country.
I agree with you that I may be wrong about reclassing, I've had VIP for years.
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I don't agree that people actually donate to help with the motive to keep the server running, hell people don't even know how much amount of money it takes for the server to stay up so why would they donate if they don't know where it's going, the answer they donate is to get the benefits. I couldn't find any topic where someone mentioned that "hey where can I only and only donate because I like this community and a thanks to w/e and I want to keep the server up because I can't find the donate button like old ptp"
So stop with that kindly
Sure, but still, whatever reason that people donate for is beside the point. Making donors too overpowered has the side effect of driving some players away, which is kinda undoing whatever good the donation did. We don't have donations purely to give people overpowered benefits.
You know yourself none of this is happening, you're like 7-9 years late to suggest something like a change in VIP. When it has already been said that the system isn't changing whats the point of this lol.
I find it funny that some of you fail to realise the repeated attempts of you trying to change the core features of the gamemode never really resulted into something.
I've been trying to get snipers fixed for years, ever since lagcomp made them one of the best all-around weapons instead of something that was only useful in certain situations. This isn't new.
Could you tell me a bit more about snipers and fast skins being core features of the game mode?
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Oh yo tenia pensado crear un tema para limitar la cantidad de balas con el sniper a 10 (o que ponga en discusión le numero, claramente se podría renovar con /sniper pero que esta vez solo le de 5 balas) o quitar el sniper
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Oh I had planned to create a theme to limit the number of bullets with the sniper to 10 (or to discuss the number, clearly it could be renewed with /sniper but this time only give you 5 bullets) or remove the sniper.
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I agree changes have to be made. The VIP system is overpowered. Starting from the weapons you are given, such as the sniper and chainsaw, those two weapons make the game unfair for the rest the community who don't have access to it. It's pretty much a pay-to-win system, and most players are aware of this. However, it seems like this topic isn't going to have much success just by looking at the comments. These advantages we have as VIPs make the game enjoyable; however, it is also what drives new players out of the server.
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These vip features (and lagcomp) have been there since many years and as far as i can remember, there was hardly any one compalinig or suggesting changes to them. I think it's the saturation point, the fact that almost every other player in the server is a vip and non vips can't do shit(less in numbers and yea less weapons) is exactly why we see these complaints now and never before. I'd rather agree with curry to change vip cost (make it monthly maybe) than agreeing on removing those vip features. I don't know if you play any other games but many games do have such "pay for sucess" vip package and no one cries (those games have balanced teams tho, like equal number of vips in each team).
I am fine with lowering the sniper damage down a bit, BUT i'd still prefer a way to power up the Non Vip instead of weakening vips. Something like a rewards shop where every player can buy weapons like sniper (and maybe other stuff ) by spending some reward points that they collect by following duty(like winning round as a team, and extra points for killing/protecting presi).
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These vip features (and lagcomp) have been there since many years and as far as i can remember, there was hardly any one compalinig or suggesting changes to them. I think it's the saturation point, the fact that almost every other player in the server is a vip and non vips can't do shit(less in numbers and yea less weapons) is exactly why we see these complaints now and never before. I'd rather agree with curry to change vip cost (make it monthly maybe) than agreeing on removing those vip features.
I know that I myself have complained about both in the past and people have agreed with me. This isn't new, but even if it were, that doesn't make it wrong. A payment system won't fix the problem, it will just make it less obvious but give VIPs the same overpowered advantages they already had.
I don't know if you play any other games but many games do have such "pay for sucess" vip package and no one cries (those games have balanced teams tho, like equal number of vips in each team).
Those games are trying to turn a profit. They don't care too much if it's unfair, they just want people to buy shit. No one complains because most games don't have a forum like this where you can complain and be heard. I also have a feeling that plenty of people play a few times and then give up, but you can't see that with big games where millions of people play.
I am fine with lowering the sniper damage down a bit, BUT i'd still prefer a way to power up the Non Vip instead of weakening vips. Something like a rewards shop where every player can buy weapons like sniper (and maybe other stuff ) by spending some reward points that they collect by following duty(like winning round as a team, and extra points for killing/protecting presi).
I'm not a fan of overpowered weapons in PTP like the sniper because they often turn the game into a point-and-click competition. It makes it really difficult to be competitive in vehicles. I think less overpowered weapons is a better solution.
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This topic is a bullshit to be honest, I know why you are creating such topics, I am not going to go further about it but I sometimes join as undercover and kill people, why? Because i got the skills. They get me with sniper sometimes but it’s ok because they’ve paid for it and they deserve it. If someone wants it let them pat, it’s not a big deal and nowdays we got many good people I can say or kind people who donate for others in order to get access for vip stuff. You can’t simply remove just because someone can’t resist against it. Still there are many people who play with normal skins rather than choosing fast although fast skins give more advantage. So cut this crap and stop creating topicw about removing something or adding it for normal players. The main reason or objective or vip is to keep the server alive, so more challenging things must be added in my opinion in order to increase the demand. We already have it for everyone in duels so it’s pretty much enough if someone likes to try it against someone. I really don’t know why people still make topics like this.
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This is so fucking hilarious. Sometime when i want to make topic bout "something", i figure out that exctly at the same time someone else making his own topic about this subject. What does that mean? This "subject" is not something "personal", this is a problem and it is well understandable problem.
The problem is that when you are making this topic, you need to cover whole problem at once in your first post.
About this topic - you need to take all vip features, like infinite nitro, skins etc, and investigate it ALL.
Because sniper rifle is a problem, skins are the problem, so at the end of the topic you can combine "weights" of all this separate problems to a one ARGUMENT.
Lagcomp is a good thing to discuss. You need to say that when lagcomp was ON, terrors had AK, secs/cops M4. So, secs were having some advantage in shooting tires. But terrors were using combat shotgun, so they were more powerful in close distance. That was some kind of balance between 2 main teams. Now, some players have snipers, so, ak/m4 is totally useless. You destroyed this balance, when someone can shot your tire out of NOWHERE and you will not even be able to shoot back. With lagcomp M4 sometimes was a better solution to shoot at tires, but with lagcomp off...
Chainsaw is a very interesting shit. While we have lagcomp off, this weapon is based at players ping. It is not the same when you use it against 60 and 600 ping players. Inside the Area 69 or similar places it is too OP.
Nitro. Infinite nitro is a thing that admins said they alredy fixed. But every vip as far as i know still overabuse it. And i do not even want to ask why my nrg is moving slower than vip`s FBI rancher.
Yomama, this topic is very cursory. You do not ask admins main question.
Because from the very beginning of this "new" PTP they were saying that this vip shit is fucked up and "we need to do something with it". Ask them - why they did nothing.
Ask them, since when PTP became a "Free MMORPG" shit, when you need to pay money to play as a PLAYER, and not play as a "background for vips".
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Bruh, there are soo many non vips that are way too pro than VIPs. Even the features we have now are enough. Something that is special for non vips is that we can tune cars. So these features are already good.
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They say a new Global Economic crisis is coming soon.
I would like to refund my 20 bucks,thank you.
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Nothing changed with the vip features since the ptp started and i suppose nothing will change in the next year
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+1
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Maybe but, it's all just by skill. I know some non-vip players who can kill VIPs 1vs1. Maybe they just have to play the game more offen to gain more skills.
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+1
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-1. No way I'm letting jonne take away cubey's sniper advantage. He just paid for vip himself!
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What do I think we should do about the unfairness? I think we have at least two reasonable courses of action for the weapons problem:
- Make overpowered weapons less powerful through scripting and/or by turning them into pickups so they aren't always available.
OR
- Disable lagcomp, since it doesn't make sense with the gamemode anyway and made the sniper extremely overpowered.
I don't think pickups are a good idea, as I explained here: https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=3021.msg42947#msg42947. Also, we won't be switching back to lag shooting, as almost all SAMP servers are on lagcomp nowadays, and it would make it harder to attract new players to the server, as they'll be used to lagcomp. But, I do see a third option, and that's giving more people the opportunity to access it. Now that we have the scoring system, we could tie it into the system and for example have it as rewards. I haven't put much thought into how exactly we would do that, but it's a possibility to explore.
Edit: everyone now has access to chainsaw and sniper