Plan B
General => Suggestions => Topic started by: Miau on July 26, 2018, 09:34:08 pm
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Hello,
I suggest to put an end to president survival tactic of camping at police or security spawns. There is literally no point in fighting the defending team, they just respawn immediately and with spawn protection, which only makes things worse. This strategy is way too easy for the defending team and too hard for the attackers.
My solution is to simply respawn securities and police in the opposite spawn from where the president is camping. For example, if president is camping at police spawn, police and security respawn at security spawn. If he is camping at his own spawn, police and security respawn at police spawn. If he is not camping at a spawn, everything would be as usual.
Thank you
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Do something about spawn protection. You fire 1 bullet? Poof, your spawn protection is gone. And make sure that security doesn't respawn near president if he's camping near spawn. There is literally zero chance for the terrorists that way, it's just unfair.
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+1, totally agreed.
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I like your idea but before voting, I have one slight confusion that needs some attention. What if presi camps at police spawn along with secs. Suppose cops and all sec dies, they will respawn at opposite spawn (security spawn as you said above). It will take time for them to reach presi, right? Till then, what about presi who is left all alone in that terror's hell? He will instanly die, not even a slightest chance of survival. In this case, terror team will prove OP over presi.
My solution is to simply respawn securities and police in the opposite spawn from where the president is camping. For example, if president is camping at police spawn, police and security respawn at security spawn. If he is camping at his own spawn, police and security respawn at police spawn. If he is not camping at a spawn, everything would be as usual.
On the basis of my observation I explained, this will make things even worse. Instead, I would like to suggest temporarily removing security armour in police spawn zone only. As we know that security were given full armour in latest updates, that armour and sawn off make things worse for terrors. As we know that sawns can't be removed so I am thinking on their armour.
Simple solution: If presi enters police spawn, the security will temporarily loose all of their armour and they wont get it back until presi leaves police spawn. Police will normally spawn from their own zone but their spawn protection should be disabled only in the case when presi is camping in the police spawn. Once security armour is temporarily removed, they wont be able to refill armour except for health from any of the refilling point. This will make things even for both sides, terrors as well as presi and his team.
I still need answer of my question tho so I will be waiting for it.
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I like your idea but before voting, I have one slight confusion that needs some attention. What if presi camps at police spawn along with secs. Suppose cops and all sec dies, they will respawn at opposite spawn (security spawn as you said above). It will take time for them to reach presi, right? Till then, what about presi who is left all alone in that terror's hell? He will instanly die, not even a slightest chance of survival. In this case, terror team will prove OP over presi.
Just like it would happen if you camped at a random place of map...
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What if Terros are the one camping at Spawn?
Shit is already frustrating enough in NSA and Flint County Spawns, where in the former even with the No Fly Zone enabled Hydras could kill if Vice ascended into Presi and the Terro Hydra is near enough.
This along with the disabled No Fly Zone (I can't see how this got even implemented, since this is purely a pro hydra terro move without any concerns for the security and presi) will make it very frustrating and make me lose faith in enjoying the map.
Flint County is also frustrating as heck for Vice going President since Terros camping from a distance with snipers and Spaz shit ready or what not.
Possibility of this can't even be ruled out since these DO occur on a daily basis every now and then.
Police to Security Spawns are way too far. President's death is guaranteed if this ridiculous distance measure is implemented.
One More thing, EVERY Spawn is Camp worthy and that going to waste would be unfortunate, although again rarely does someone try it.
NSA Spawn's upper interior level provides a good measure against Hydra attacks, I guess the major reason people don't like the Spawn Camping because Hydra would involve more skill than pure Hover+Spam. Killing is still possible, the whole ranch is fully open from one side ffs and one Chainsaw inside = 90% Chance of Death
This measure will be useless if a presi with a decent buff security manages to successfully camp and fortify those structures outside but near Spawn (SP) like in FC,RC and SF.
Idk maybe you just play as a terro too much like the other players here but consider it from the side of Security too.
In my opinion a way better and practical solution that will suit all sides would be either enabling a Civilian or Police SP for Securities, if a President Camps at a common area for 1-2 minutes.
It would enable Terros to not get shot by invunerable greenbois, while also still satisfying the fundamental goal of the original Security SP of driving off Camping Terrorists at President Spawn.
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Do something about spawn protection. You fire 1 bullet? Poof, your spawn protection is gone. And make sure that security doesn't respawn near president if he's camping near spawn. There is literally zero chance for the terrorists that way, it's just unfair.
Mega +1
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Mia, if I am correct there is already an update which makes Security lose the Spawn Protection after 2 seconds of firing a bullet and 15 seconds without shooting.
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GG Mia
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Agreed +1
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-1 Everything is okhay
Everthing will be okay
That's what jonne
Told me to say
Everything is normal no need to change
In the new update all classes instantly lose their spawn protection if the presi is closer
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I like your idea but before voting, I have one slight confusion that needs some attention. What if presi camps at police spawn along with secs. Suppose cops and all sec dies, they will respawn at opposite spawn (security spawn as you said above). It will take time for them to reach presi, right? Till then, what about presi who is left all alone in that terror's hell? He will instanly die, not even a slightest chance of survival. In this case, terror team will prove OP over presi.
My solution is to simply respawn securities and police in the opposite spawn from where the president is camping. For example, if president is camping at police spawn, police and security respawn at security spawn. If he is camping at his own spawn, police and security respawn at police spawn. If he is not camping at a spawn, everything would be as usual.
On the basis of my observation I explained, this will make things even worse. Instead, I would like to suggest temporarily removing security armour in police spawn zone only. As we know that security were given full armour in latest updates, that armour and sawn off make things worse for terrors. As we know that sawns can't be removed so I am thinking on their armour.
Simple solution: If presi enters police spawn, the security will temporarily loose all of their armour and they wont get it back until presi leaves police spawn. Police will normally spawn from their own zone but their spawn protection should be disabled only in the case when presi is camping in the police spawn. Once security armour is temporarily removed, they wont be able to refill armour except for health from any of the refilling point. This will make things even for both sides, terrors as well as presi and his team.
I still need answer of my question tho so I will be waiting for it.
In my opinion, it does not need any change, it is OP for "some" people not all.
But if the majority wants it then the best solution will be deadman's comment.
-Fares
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Presidents are abusing spawn protection zones especially in NSA where hydras cannot do anything against spawn protection
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Presidents are abusing spawn protection zones especially in NSA where hydras cannot do anything against spawn protection
Spawn protection goes off in 1 min. You can keel President by hydra bruh!
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Presidents are abusing spawn protection zones especially in NSA where hydras cannot do anything against spawn protection
Spawn protection goes off in 1 min. You can keel President by hydra bruh!
No dumbass. Even if spawn protection goes off, the no fly zone will still be there.
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Presidents are abusing spawn protection zones especially in NSA where hydras cannot do anything against spawn protection
Spawn protection goes off in 1 min. You can keel President by hydra bruh!
No dumbass. Even if spawn protection goes off, the no fly zone will still be there.
What if hydra shoots missile at spawn from out of no fly zone, will it do damage ( if spawn protection is disabled )
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Why are you guys crying LMAO? Wait for the future updates..
I'll make the zone act the same as the normal zone. If he stays in his spawn zone for longer than a minute, the zone will be disabled. The securities already have a different spawn protection when the zone is disabled (15 seconds of spawn protection instead of area-related), but I agree it would be a good idea to disable the warnings as well on them.
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Presidents are abusing spawn protection zones especially in NSA where hydras cannot do anything against spawn protection
Spawn protection goes off in 1 min. You can keel President by hydra bruh!
No dumbass. Even if spawn protection goes off, the no fly zone will still be there.
What if hydra shoots missile at spawn from out of no fly zone, will it do damage ( if spawn protection is disabled )
Yes it will work. I have tried it and it results as 2 missiles (since Hydra shoots 2 at once) and u will go into the no fly zone. Max 6 to 10 missiles, i guess.
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No Fly Zone my ass,rarely any regular dares to play a uneven match from the President Side in NSA Map especially Hydra vs Presi Spawn, even before the No Fly Zone Disabling post was made people were able to kill with Hydras in President Spawn. I myself have died countless times by camping Hydras at spawn and Yes I was in the spawn well near Toreno's Ranch. I even have Video Evidence, I'd thought people would suggest to making the No Fly Zone Better but instead they want to disable it to make it even more easier.
I am surprised curry's post even got approved and locked since Hydras killing President at Spawn is a nigh common thing.
And there are indeed solutions to counter it.The whole back side of it is fully open.
If President camps at the lower floor you can easily kill him with Rifle or Sniper. Or if you are willing to do ballsy, get a rustler there and spam the quad m4s and if it explodes it will damage the security and president.
If He camps at the upper floor, get on top the roof and nade on his position so the splash damage deals below since the roof and upper floor are so close.
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Presidents are abusing spawn protection zones especially in NSA where hydras cannot do anything against spawn protection
Spawn protection goes off in 1 min. You can keel President by hydra bruh!
No dumbass. Even if spawn protection goes off, the no fly zone will still be there.
No fly zone to sync with pres spawn zone (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=1361.0)
This means the No fly zone will disappear if the President camps in his spawn for longer than a minute
it was added in last update!
to the topic +1.
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+1
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Presidents are abusing spawn protection zones especially in NSA where hydras cannot do anything against spawn protection
Spawn protection goes off in 1 min. You can keel President by hydra bruh!
No dumbass. Even if spawn protection goes off, the no fly zone will still be there.
No fly zone to sync with pres spawn zone (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=1361.0)
This means the No fly zone will disappear if the President camps in his spawn for longer than a minute
it was added in last update!
to the topic +1.
I never went through the update :3
So what if presi goes out of the spawn and again gets in spawn? I have faced few people doing so, and the no fly-zone staying active.
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+1
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Presidents are abusing spawn protection zones especially in NSA where hydras cannot do anything against spawn protection
Spawn protection goes off in 1 min. You can keel President by hydra bruh!
No dumbass. Even if spawn protection goes off, the no fly zone will still be there.
No fly zone to sync with pres spawn zone (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=1361.0)
This means the No fly zone will disappear if the President camps in his spawn for longer than a minute
it was added in last update!
to the topic +1.
I never went through the update :3
So what if presi goes out of the spawn and again gets in spawn? I have faced few people doing so, and the no fly-zone staying active.
In this case President has advantage with securities still in spawn protection
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But thats not 'big' advantage, i never saw any or few President surviving except going in Area. If there is no cop then terro go for bayside hydras after no hydras left in LV and total 5 hydras which are very inbalance, so obviously adding all advantages to terro is not fair, Presi always go to Tunnel or Area boring af.
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But thats not 'big' advantage, i never saw any or few President surviving except going in Area. If there is no cop then terro go for bayside hydras after no hydras left in LV and total 5 hydras which are very inbalance, so obviously adding all advantages to terro is not fair, Presi always go to Tunnel or Area boring af.
True
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That's not a bad idea, we'll look into adding this.
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Since probably everyone ignored what I said earlier anyways, This will make terrorist overpowered. The president spawn is fun and varied to camp in each map. Replacing spawns outright is just absurd, and Mia is mostly terrorist anyways. Securities and President have hard time dealing with NSA , best measures require spawn camping more than a minute, to get good vehicles.
Problems like these can get easily solved by the new measures. Although the disabling of armor is a good solution too if president camps in spawn too much. But the problem is he doesn't. Maps like flint county, the camping spot is beyond spawn. This solution wouldn't be able to do shit. People will just start camping outside/ near spawn.
Also NSA spawns being a problem was exaggerated, theres a huge uncovered area on the back exposing everything and you can still shoot missiles outside the no fly zone. And presidents still died a lot inside by civilian chainsaw.
-1 still, if just the raw suggestion is taken without considering the bad stuff, and alternative solutions like disabling armor for security. Although it wouldnt change nothing, only applicable solution is Probably the police spawn, which becomes a death trap for him, because the blockades that are usually created are hard to escape from inside. Keep it as it is
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That's not a bad idea, we'll look into adding this.
I see death of this server is near
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I'm in!
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What part of the suggestion is being considered into being looked into?
The only reason I am not bumping it again and again despite me thinking it is a very bad suggestion for GM is because there is a good sub-suggestion of removing armor. And Jonne wasn't clear about whats being considered.