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Information => News & Updates => Topic started by: Jonne on December 03, 2016, 03:39:33 am

Title: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Jonne on December 03, 2016, 03:39:33 am
Some temporary stuff has been added for the holiday season. Not a lot of changes to the script this time.

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Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: [RD]Monster on December 03, 2016, 04:49:19 am
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Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Faro0s on December 03, 2016, 05:11:24 am
Amazing update, thanks Jonne :D
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: SwirlyMan on December 03, 2016, 05:20:59 am
Nice updates :)
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: [RD]Monster on December 03, 2016, 05:37:07 am
only found 1 jetpack in WV, idk about the rest of the map.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Satvik on December 03, 2016, 06:07:59 am
Gg
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Rage on December 03, 2016, 07:04:10 am
Nice!
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Ege on December 03, 2016, 11:20:27 am
Nice updates, keep it up
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Madman on December 03, 2016, 11:21:37 am
Awosome thank u dear jonne and cobra.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Skittles on December 03, 2016, 11:28:47 am
Wow! Great  8)
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Storm on December 03, 2016, 11:31:21 am
Thanks Jonne!
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Jessy on December 03, 2016, 02:02:13 pm
Loved it!  ;D
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: [RD]Monster on December 03, 2016, 02:30:30 pm
Jetpacks really brought a change with them. whether it has positive or negative effects is still to be seen . mostly its positive as of this moment.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Kooly™ on December 03, 2016, 02:33:03 pm
 :D nice thanks
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Miau on December 03, 2016, 10:04:44 pm
  • Added jetpacks for civilians
    • They won't be permanent, just for the holiday season
I like jetpacks, but I am afraid it would be too easy for VIP players to camp with sniper rifle on places that are unreachable from the ground; and such campers cannot be countered without an aircraft or another sniper rifle.

This is exactly what is happening. Now it's possible to reach any rooftop in a matter of seconds. Not a big deal for non VIPs, but very interesting for snipers. If you aren't a VIP and you're on the ground, all you can do is run. If you are a VIP, you can snipe back, waste your time and watch the jetpacker escape very easily when he has low hp. I really hope jetpacks are removed soon.[/list]
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Tounsix on December 03, 2016, 11:10:20 pm
  • Added jetpacks for civilians
  • They won't be permanent, just for the holiday season
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I like jetpacks, but I am afraid it would be too easy for VIP players to camp with sniper rifle on places that are unreachable from the ground; and such campers cannot be countered without an aircraft or another sniper rifle.

This is exactly what is happening. Now it's possible to reach any rooftop in a matter of seconds. Not a big deal for non VIPs, but very interesting for snipers. If you aren't a VIP and you're on the ground, all you can do is run. If you are a VIP, you can snipe back, waste your time and watch the jetpacker escape very easily when he has low hp. I really hope jetpacks are removed soon.[/list]
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Finisher on December 04, 2016, 12:18:19 am
  • Added jetpacks for civilians
    • They won't be permanent, just for the holiday season
I like jetpacks, but I am afraid it would be too easy for VIP players to camp with sniper rifle on places that are unreachable from the ground; and such campers cannot be countered without an aircraft or another sniper rifle.

This is exactly what is happening. Now it's possible to reach any rooftop in a matter of seconds. Not a big deal for non VIPs, but very interesting for snipers. If you aren't a VIP and you're on the ground, all you can do is run. If you are a VIP, you can snipe back, waste your time and watch the jetpacker escape very easily when he has low hp. I really hope jetpacks are removed soon.

Although I liked Jetpacks in the past but that time we had less VIP's than we do now, sadly.. I'm gonna agree with Jetpacks being removed[/list]
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Carg on December 04, 2016, 12:49:49 am
  • Added jetpacks for civilians
    • They won't be permanent, just for the holiday season
I like jetpacks, but I am afraid it would be too easy for VIP players to camp with sniper rifle on places that are unreachable from the ground; and such campers cannot be countered without an aircraft or another sniper rifle.

This is exactly what is happening. Now it's possible to reach any rooftop in a matter of seconds. Not a big deal for non VIPs, but very interesting for snipers. If you aren't a VIP and you're on the ground, all you can do is run. If you are a VIP, you can snipe back, waste your time and watch the jetpacker escape very easily when he has low hp. I really hope jetpacks are removed soon.[/list]
You just want them removed bcs now u cant chase regular civs as terror i know that :D
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Miau on December 04, 2016, 01:05:22 am
You just want them removed bcs now u cant chase regular civs as terror i know that :D

And according to you civilians shouldn't be chaseable or what's your point exactly?
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Carg on December 04, 2016, 01:22:42 am
You just want them removed bcs now u cant chase regular civs as terror i know that :D

And according to you civilians shouldn't be chaseable or what's your point exactly?
I mean that u dont want it removed bcs its ruining the balance betwen vips and non vips but bcs u feel less powerful with combat shotgun and nrg now :D
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Miau on December 04, 2016, 01:36:35 am
You just want them removed bcs now u cant chase regular civs as terror i know that :D

And according to you civilians shouldn't be chaseable or what's your point exactly?
I mean that u dont want it removed bcs its ruining the balance betwen vips and non vips but bcs u feel less powerful with combat shotgun and nrg now :D

Ok, your mind reading skills are stunning, thanks for clarifying what I really think. It's not that I feel "less powerful", because I don't feel powerful at all. Since it's not possible to kill a roof hopper if he doesn't want to get killed. Obviously you have no idea about this because you have peace with everyone using jetpacks and snipers, but I recommend you to check it out one day.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Skittles on December 04, 2016, 01:43:34 am
You just want them removed bcs now u cant chase regular civs as terror i know that :D

And according to you civilians shouldn't be chaseable or what's your point exactly?
I mean that u dont want it removed bcs its ruining the balance betwen vips and non vips but bcs u feel less powerful with combat shotgun and nrg now :D


#DontRemoveJetPacks
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Carg on December 04, 2016, 01:44:53 am
You just want them removed bcs now u cant chase regular civs as terror i know that :D

And according to you civilians shouldn't be chaseable or what's your point exactly?
I mean that u dont want it removed bcs its ruining the balance betwen vips and non vips but bcs u feel less powerful with combat shotgun and nrg now :D

 Since it's not possible to kill a roof hopper if he doesn't want to get killed. Obviously you have no idea about this because you have peace with everyone using jetpacks and snipers, but I recommend you to check it out one day.
Well u just clarified what i said if u havent noticed its not bcs u care about the non vips its all about you
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: WuZi on December 04, 2016, 01:45:24 am
This is exactly what is happening. Now it's possible to reach any rooftop in a matter of seconds. Not a big deal for non VIPs, but very interesting for snipers. If you aren't a VIP and you're on the ground, all you can do is run. If you are a VIP, you can snipe back, waste your time and watch the jetpacker escape very easily when he has low hp. I really hope jetpacks are removed soon.[/list]

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/l4hmXZF4JvrjxnB0Q/200_s.gif)
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Carg on December 04, 2016, 01:46:35 am
You just want them removed bcs now u cant chase regular civs as terror i know that :D
I mean that u dont want it removed bcs its ruining the balance betwen vips and non vips but bcs u feel less powerful with combat shotgun and nrg now :D

 Since it's not possible to kill a roof hopper if he doesn't want to get killed. Obviously you have no idea about this because you have peace with everyone using jetpacks and snipers, but I recommend you to check it out one day.
Well u just clarified what i said if u havent noticed its not bcs u care about the non vips its all about you. There is always a chance, bcs it looks like u have no idea how hard is to kill 2 terros with nrg and combat shotgun as civ.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Miau on December 04, 2016, 01:47:50 am
You just want them removed bcs now u cant chase regular civs as terror i know that :D

And according to you civilians shouldn't be chaseable or what's your point exactly?
I mean that u dont want it removed bcs its ruining the balance betwen vips and non vips but bcs u feel less powerful with combat shotgun and nrg now :D

 Since it's not possible to kill a roof hopper if he doesn't want to get killed. Obviously you have no idea about this because you have peace with everyone using jetpacks and snipers, but I recommend you to check it out one day.
Well u just clarified what i said if u havent noticed its not bcs u care about the non vips its all about you

You say it like it could affect whether me or non VIPs but not both. It affects everyone who doesn't have peace with 90% of the sniper users, I guess.

This is exactly what is happening. Now it's possible to reach any rooftop in a matter of seconds. Not a big deal for non VIPs, but very interesting for snipers. If you aren't a VIP and you're on the ground, all you can do is run. If you are a VIP, you can snipe back, waste your time and watch the jetpacker escape very easily when he has low hp. I really hope jetpacks are removed soon.[/list]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I didn't say it was only a problem for non VIPs.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Carg on December 04, 2016, 01:54:01 am
So ure just saying that its impossile to kill someone with sniper jumping from roof to roof? Nvm it was added only for the holidays so im sure that it wont be removed just bcs someone disagrees with it.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Gablo on December 04, 2016, 02:17:16 am
I dont know why so much discussion about the jetpacks, they gonna be removed after the holiday season as Jonne said. Ffs you can all calm yo tits
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Storm on December 04, 2016, 04:02:34 am
At a very fun party, there's always that "one" guy
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: SwirlyMan on December 04, 2016, 04:42:27 am

  • Added jetpacks for civilians
    • They won't be permanent, just for the holiday season
  • Added jetpacks for civilians
    • They won't be permanent, just for the holiday season
I like jetpacks, but I am afraid it would be too easy for VIP players to camp with sniper rifle on places that are unreachable from the ground; and such campers cannot be countered without an aircraft or another sniper rifle.

This is exactly what is happening. Now it's possible to reach any rooftop in a matter of seconds. Not a big deal for non VIPs, but very interesting for snipers. If you aren't a VIP and you're on the ground, all you can do is run. If you are a VIP, you can snipe back, waste your time and watch the jetpacker escape very easily when he has low hp. I really hope jetpacks are removed soon.[/list]

 Try to choose civ next time and have fun, it's holiday btw ;)[/list]
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: COBRA on December 04, 2016, 10:44:43 am

I like jetpacks, but I am afraid it would be too easy for VIP players to camp with sniper rifle on places that are unreachable from the ground; and such campers cannot be countered without an aircraft or another sniper rifle.

This is exactly what is happening. Now it's possible to reach any rooftop in a matter of seconds. Not a big deal for non VIPs, but very interesting for snipers. If you aren't a VIP and you're on the ground, all you can do is run. If you are a VIP, you can snipe back, waste your time and watch the jetpacker escape very easily when he has low hp. I really hope jetpacks are removed soon.

Well that's a good point, because I see VIP's getting huge advantage with the Jetpack + Sniper on the rooftops and easily escaping way now and even I can use VIP weapons, it's hard to get them. I've seen the some VIPs camping on rooftops near to president spawn and sniping them, when president goes away, they can chase easily.

Solution for this: When the player takes jetpack for once, maybe disable to use of rifle and sniper for that player to the his next death.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Jai_Kundu on December 04, 2016, 11:25:42 am

I like jetpacks, but I am afraid it would be too easy for VIP players to camp with sniper rifle on places that are unreachable from the ground; and such campers cannot be countered without an aircraft or another sniper rifle.

This is exactly what is happening. Now it's possible to reach any rooftop in a matter of seconds. Not a big deal for nonVIPs, but very interesting for snipers. If you aren't a VIP and you're on the ground, all you can do is run. If you are a VIP, you can snipe back, waste your time and watch the jetpacker escape very easily when he has low hp. I really hope jetpacks are removed soon.

Well that's a good point, because I see VIP's getting huge advantage with the Jetpack + Sniper on the rooftops and easily escaping way now and even I can use VIP weapons, it's hard to get them. I've seen the some VIPs camping on rooftops near to president spawn and sniping them, when president goes away, they can chase easily.

Solution for this: When the player takes jetpack for once, maybe disable to use of rifle and sniper for that player to the his next death.
Nope Cobra let the game fun for a few weeks at least and then back to that kill the president game :P

PS : This is a holiday ubdate only will be removed after 25th Dec .

Edited by COBRA for spam post.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Santa Claus is coming to town on December 04, 2016, 11:50:12 am
PS : This is a holiday ubdate only will be removed after 25th Dec .

Aw shit, flying is so fun and it's just temporary!

I suggest removing the sniper ability for people that use jetpacks (until next respawn like Cobra said) and only allow /rifle (which is fair for everyone since it's now in /holiday cmd).
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Miau on December 04, 2016, 12:20:38 pm
Solution for this: When the player takes jetpack for once, maybe disable to use of rifle and sniper for that player to the his next death.
I suggest removing the sniper ability for people that use jetpacks (until next respawn like Cobra said) and only allow /rifle (which is fair for everyone since it's now in /holiday cmd).

Good idea, I agree  :P
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: SoLoD on December 04, 2016, 12:47:40 pm
I really hope vip`s infinite nitro, chainsaw, sniper rifle and fast skins are removed soon.[/list]
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: indincive on December 04, 2016, 01:09:18 pm
Oh bloody hell stop bitching mia and acting tough. Its only a game not your carrear lol.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Carg on December 04, 2016, 01:20:36 pm
So it seems like ur problem isnt the jetpacks but snipers. I dont see any difference betwen taking a heli and jumping from roof to roof and same with jetpack.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Arabiane on December 04, 2016, 01:48:21 pm
You guys are crazy...
A player in jetpack cant shoot.
A player in jetpack cant follow a president in a car or iven a bike.
Iven jonne was smart enough when he said that this just for holidays..
Like tenshi used to say "go out catch a rabbit or plant a three..
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: COBRA on December 04, 2016, 02:32:06 pm

Solution for this: When the player takes jetpack for once, maybe disable to use of rifle and sniper for that player to the his next death.
Nope Cobra let the game fun for a few weeks at least and then back to that kill the president game :P

PS : This is a holiday ubdate only will be removed after 25th Dec .

Well Im just trying to find solution for everyone enjoy the game, but it's not a big deal since it's just temporary :D
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Sani on December 04, 2016, 03:05:27 pm
Let's just leave it as it is  8)
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Jai_Kundu on December 04, 2016, 03:37:01 pm
Let's just leave it as it is  8)
+1
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Ege on December 04, 2016, 04:07:02 pm
For fuck sake, just let people have fun a bit. It's temporary already, It doesn't even have to be discussed this much.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Tounsix on December 04, 2016, 04:07:23 pm
Let's just leave it as it is  8)
+1
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Kooly™ on December 04, 2016, 04:12:27 pm
Let's just leave it as it is  8)
+1
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Rage on December 04, 2016, 04:18:13 pm
Let's just leave it as it is  8)
+1
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Skittles on December 04, 2016, 04:24:44 pm
Let's just leave it as it is  8)
+1
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: [RD]Monster on December 04, 2016, 05:42:19 pm
Let's just leave it as it is  8)
+1
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Altus_Demens on December 04, 2016, 06:03:52 pm
Although most of the participants of this discussion do their best to make it personal and to turn this topic into a storage of medium-quality spam, me and Mia are the ones who suffer from 'flying snipers' the least. Yes, it might be annoying, but we've got our own sniper rifles to shoot back. It feels like waste of time as the jetpack user can always easily escape if he really wants to do so, but in comparison with the other aspects of the game it isn't really dangerous.

But most of my samp 'career' I wasn't VIP. And I clearly remember how hard (still possible) is to counter VIPs with sniper rifles, especially if they are surrounded by the others of their kin. But jetpacks with sniper cannot be countered without the other sniper or at least rustler. Country rifle range is maybe half as much as sniper rifle. This definitely shifts balance (wasn't that hard to predict), which is indirectly confirmed also by those overexcited comments above. There are a few players who use this style regularly; they climb on the rooftops with aircraft, they camp and snipe from there, which requires both skill and patience; have I ever said anything against them? But nowadays everyone can easily hold a perfect position with low chances to be hardly countered (especially considering the "peaceful" temper of our community). Even it is only for three weeks, I don't think it is the right way to go.

So, I pretty much agree with COBRA's suggestion, +1. If the community wants jetpacks 'for fun', so be it. But 'for fun' doesn't mean 'for abusing easily performed hardly countered tactics'. Actually that's what I was intended to suggest since I understood everything about jetpacks here. Glad to see it's been suggested already.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Sani on December 04, 2016, 06:21:59 pm
Let's just leave it as it is  8)
+1
The majority of the community wants jetpacks. And no let's not do what cobra suggested. Just leave it as it is 8)
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: TreePuncher on December 04, 2016, 06:23:46 pm
It's just for the holiday season, come on.
The only time we can have something nice and different, you want it out...
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Luca_Brasi on December 04, 2016, 07:17:19 pm
This is exactly what is happening. Now it's possible to reach any rooftop in a matter of seconds. Not a big deal for non VIPs, but very interesting for snipers. If you aren't a VIP and you're on the ground, all you can do is run. If you are a VIP, you can snipe back, waste your time and watch the jetpacker escape very easily when he has low hp. I really hope jetpacks are removed soon.[/list]

(http://images.parents.mdpcdn.com/sites/parents.com/files/styles/width_360/public/images/p_101528432.jpg)

It's only here for one month. Just because you dont know how to counter it doesnt mean it should be removed.
Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
Post by: Miau on December 04, 2016, 07:45:17 pm
    This is exactly what is happening. Now it's possible to reach any rooftop in a matter of seconds. Not a big deal for non VIPs, but very interesting for snipers. If you aren't a VIP and you're on the ground, all you can do is run. If you are a VIP, you can snipe back, waste your time and watch the jetpacker escape very easily when he has low hp. I really hope jetpacks are removed soon.[/list]

    (http://images.parles/width_360/public/images/p_101528432.jpg)

    Just because you dont know how to counter it doesnt mean it should be removed.

    I assume you're saying this because you tried it yourself and you could counter it. Now I'm wondering how you tried it if you have peace with everyone using sniper + jetpack.

    And I'm saying this not only to you but in general... have you guys even fought someone with sniper + jetpack yet? lol
    Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
    Post by: Spectre on December 04, 2016, 08:36:07 pm
    I assume you're saying this because you tried it yourself and you could counter it. Now I'm wondering how you tried it if you have peace with everyone using sniper + jetpack.

    And I'm saying this not only to you but in general... have you guys even fought someone with sniper + jetpack yet? lol

    I don't know why you guys had to make such a big deal out of this. It's clearly only for the holidays feature. You can live with 20 days of having jetpacks, can't you? Lol...
    Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
    Post by: Sani on December 04, 2016, 09:00:25 pm
    I assume you're saying this because you tried it yourself and you could counter it. Now I'm wondering how you tried it if you have peace with everyone using sniper + jetpack.

    And I'm saying this not only to you but in general... have you guys even fought someone with sniper + jetpack yet? lol

    I don't know why you guys had to make such a big deal out of this. It's clearly only for the holidays feature. You can live with 20 days of having jetpacks, can't you? Lol...

    Spectre pls :D   Do you think they can with all this whinin'? xD
    Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
    Post by: Miau on December 04, 2016, 10:25:11 pm
    You can live with 20 days of having jetpacks, can't you? Lol...

    Are you just groping in the dark or you actually checked out how bearable it is to play like that?
    Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
    Post by: Spectre on December 04, 2016, 10:32:48 pm
    Are you just groping in the dark or you actually checked out how bearable it is to play like that?

    I'm groping in the dark, you wouldn't believe how good it feels. Maybe if you tried it you would be less worried about jetpacks.
    Go ahead, keep complaining about it for all I care. Not like it will get removed just because it "spoils" your gameplay lmao
    Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
    Post by: Miau on December 04, 2016, 10:49:02 pm
    I'm groping in the dark

    Alright. I recommend you to turn the lights on before coming to conclusions.

      I really hope vip`s infinite nitro, chainsaw, sniper rifle and fast skins are removed soon.[/list]

      Yes, and also I kill innocent puppies for witchcraft purposes. You forgot that one.

      (https://media.tenor.co/images/3f99065788e3c73ef127ecba47527fdf/raw)
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Tuco on December 04, 2016, 10:50:10 pm
      Well, guys and girl, I think the debate should be focused on if we want it JUST for the holidays or forever. Now it's a lot of fun, not just for VIPs but also for regular players (who know where the jetpacks spawn) with no sniper rifles. It gives the game a different colour, the "strategy" of camping (which I kind of hate) is no longer possible with a civ with the ability of reaching some places easily, and still, the civs are not as harmful as other classes.

      I would like it to stay after holidays.

      PS: I forgot to say thanks to the admins and scripters, in just five or six months this server is more alive than the old one, and finally I feel myself listened. Thanks and keep up the good work. See u online!
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: COBRA on December 04, 2016, 10:52:43 pm
      Well guys, it's not going to stay forever, let it be like as many people said already
      Let's just leave it as it is  8)
      +1
      The majority of the community wants jetpacks. And no let's not do what cobra suggested. Just leave it as it is 8)
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Spectre on December 04, 2016, 10:59:12 pm
      Alright. I recommend you to turn the lights on before coming to conclusions.

      That doesn't even make sense, but I recommend you to play for fun every once in a while.

      Well guys, it's not going to stay forever, let it be like as many people said already

      I hope they'll become permanent ;D
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Miau on December 04, 2016, 11:29:57 pm
      Alright. I recommend you to turn the lights on before coming to conclusions.

      That doesn't even make sense, but I recommend you to play for fun every once in a while.

      "It doesn't make sense" is the arrogant way to say "I don't understand it".

      Lights on -> No groping in the dark.

      I hope you get it now.

      Well guys, it's not going to stay forever, let it be like as many people said already

      I'm not sure if that's a very good argument, since those people hardly ever get sniped  ;D
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Spectre on December 04, 2016, 11:42:59 pm
      "It doesn't make sense" is the arrogant way to say "I don't understand it".

      Well, nobody knows about arrogance more than you do. Thank you for clarifying, though.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Finisher on December 05, 2016, 12:49:53 am
      This is so embarrassing to read. And retarded. Thank you all for creating such a high drama over a fucking holiday update.. No wonder Tenshi doesn't listen to people
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Destiny on December 05, 2016, 12:51:23 am
      Let's just leave it as it is  8)
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Storm on December 05, 2016, 01:43:12 am
      Why don't you make a poll if the Jetpacks will stay or not?

      I challenge you: Mia and Altus. Let's see who will win  :P
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Matt on December 05, 2016, 03:00:09 am
      Jetpacks should be removed, half of this community doesn't even celebrate Christmas so they dont deserve it. We don't get special treatment for their holidays. That's how I view it.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Chaos on December 05, 2016, 03:02:01 am
      well had play a bit with city just now and amazing idea to put jetpacks . kind different n funny to play with it , remember old days a bit .

      for the people complain well kind normal , u cant make everyone happy when u change something but life move on .

      Again great idea , cant play almost now but really fun to play with jetpacks   ;D  ;D  ;D

      Have fun playing, make friends , sooner or later u need to stop play and what u ll get ? nothing ? make peace , not war (axe ads always fun)
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Luca_Brasi on December 05, 2016, 03:27:53 am

      Yes, and also I kill innocent puppies for witchcraft purposes. You forgot that one.

      (https://media.tenor.co/images/3f99065788e3c73ef127ecba47527fdf/raw)

      YES!!! Mia admitted it!!!

      On a more constructive note:

      Well, guys and girl, I think the debate should be focused on if we want it JUST for the holidays or forever. Now it's a lot of fun, not just for VIPs but also for regular players (who know where the jetpacks spawn) with no sniper rifles. It gives the game a different colour, the "strategy" of camping (which I kind of hate) is no longer possible with a civ with the ability of reaching some places easily, and still, the civs are not as harmful as other classes.

      I would like it to stay after holidays.

      A very good way to get the thread back on topic. I'm not a fan of keeping it after the holidays right now. It would make stunting and using helicopters to get to hard-to-get places like rooftops and KACC military fuels much less viable and effective. Why stunt as the president if 15 seconds later a civ is gonna be there trying to chainsaw you or throw molotovs at you? It makes it much harder to stay away from enemies.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Altus_Demens on December 05, 2016, 11:21:11 am
      This is so embarrassing to read....
      That's what I must agree upon. Whatever me or Mia say recently, it's like a red rag to a bull for our community. I wonder what exactly did we do to offend it so much, because it hasn't always been like this, but, to be honest, I don't care that much. I'm just curious if any controversial issue can be adequately discussed here, without useless spam and unrelated emotions.

      Again, it is not that dangerous for us! If you want to effectively harm us personally, better form a nice cop army instead of trying to snipe from the rooftops. When its size overweights critical one, we can hardly do anything against it.



      So, let's try to discuss it without silly trolling and spam, is anyone here up for it? I want to hope so.
      I agree with COBRA's suggestion. (additional thanks to COBRA for posting it himself, or nobody would even bother to read; me and Mia should find anyone to post our suggestions nowadays so our community would react adequately)
      Why? Because the efforts which you apply to perform the sniping from the rooftops differ from the efforts which you would apply to reach and kill (or even to avoid) such sniper without the other sniper rifle so much that this strategy can be considered overpowered. I know that it is only for three weeks, but it doesn't matter. Let's give VIPs miniguns for a day. I wonder if any newbie or non-VIP remains. I wouldn't, as I would treat it as clear and obvious disregard towards new players in favour of VIPs, of ones who pay. I hope Jonne and the administration would listen and agree, and sniper rifles would be disabled for any VIP who picks up a jetpack until his next respawn.
      Who agrees and who disagrees? Explain your positions, please, I would be glad to read any opinions other than "mia and altus are whinin".

      P.S.
      A very good way to get the thread back on topic. I'm not a fan of keeping it after the holidays right now. It would make stunting and using helicopters to get to hard-to-get places like rooftops and KACC military fuels much less viable and effective. Why stunt as the president if 15 seconds later a civ is gonna be there trying to chainsaw you or throw molotovs at you? It makes it much harder to stay away from enemies.
      I kinda agree with that too, but, as for me, it's not that dangerous and/or overpowered, because the thrower is always in range of all of the weapons. Securities just need to be careful and kill any non-friendly character who approaches presi.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Spectre on December 05, 2016, 01:06:12 pm
      Let's give VIPs miniguns for a day. I wonder if any newbie or non-VIP remains. I wouldn't, as I would treat it as clear and obvious disregard towards new players in favour of VIPs, of ones who pay.

      I hardly think that minigun and jetpack-sniper combo are the same, Altus. Sure, it might be OP atm, but just embrace the fact that it will not be there forever. And as far as I got it, everyone has access to jetpacks, so you can kinda run away at any time.

      Like I said (before Mia started going all emo on me), I don't see how this will affect your experience permanently. Just roll with it until 25th December or so. No need to create drama.


      I hope Jonne and the administration would listen and agree, and sniper rifles would be disabled for any VIP who picks up a jetpack until his next respawn.

      This is an interesting suggestion, but is it really worth the hassle? (not a rhetorical question, I'd like to know) To put that kind of effort for something that's not even going to be permanent?
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Faro0s on December 05, 2016, 01:37:00 pm
      What the fuck ? I can't believe that this went to 5 pages lol..
      First of all, this is not the place to discuss this matter, fortunately we got a section called "suggestions" you got anything against something or anything new, you can continue your cries there.
      Jetpack is added just to have fun, i don't why you(Mia) take the game so seriously, i mean it is just a game, there is not such rule in games to kill only, u kill and also u die. There is no difference to land on the roof with a jetpack or a helicopter, i think we will see a topic "remove flying vehicles" next topic.

      So just calm down and play the fucking game, no need of such drama.

      PS: Seriously Altus, stop with huge replies.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Alcor on December 05, 2016, 04:27:27 pm
      I see essays being written and drama created over something that will last for 20 days or so, jesus chill the fuck down people. Mia and Altus, I swear you guys made me hate even reading the forums, my thanks for this.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Finisher on December 05, 2016, 04:53:21 pm
      People always have different opinions, good or bad or right/wrong, we should at least respect other people's opinions and try to be understandable as much as possible without shaming or flamming others just because of their point of view towards a matter. Obviously nothing gonna change with this holiday update which is temporary, but people's opinions are to be respected no matter what. Put aside their way of delivering it, Altus and Mia actually make a good point here which I totally agree with. You might find it bitching/whinning but come on people.. Arguments are good :) and opinions matter.

      Hopefully one day, we can agree and disagree with respect. The server is being shaped by the players who are playing it right now, for better or worse, learn to handle an opinion. An actual example: Plan B.

      Can't think of more to type, my message is crystal clear or at least I hope so, correct me if I'm wrong about what I just typed. Have a good day people
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Spectre on December 05, 2016, 05:01:33 pm
      People always have different opinions, good or bad or right/wrong, we should at least respect other people's opinions and try to be understandable as much as possible without shaming or flamming others just because of their point of view towards a matter. Obviously nothing gonna change with this holiday update which is temporary, but people's opinions are to be respected no matter what. Put aside their way of delivering it, Altus and Mia actually make a good point here which I totally agree with. You might find it bitching/whinning but come on people.. Arguments are good :) and opinions matter.

      Hopefully one day, we can agree and disagree with respect. The server is being shaped by the players who are playing it right now, for better or worse, learn to handle an opinion. An actual example: Plan B.

      Can't think of more to type, my message is crystal clear or at least I hope so, correct me if I'm wrong about what I just typed. Have a good day people

      In my case, I just asked what's all the fuss about something that definitely won't be permanent, and will add a bit diversity to the gameplay. Then the next thing you know I'm "groping in the dark" according to a particular person lmfao, so naturally I won't stand for that. But I do apologize to admins for going off the topic.
      Anyway, Altus' and Mia's point would have been valid if the jetpacks were to stay for good. At least that's how I see things.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Gablo on December 05, 2016, 05:02:50 pm
      Add a poll to this topic, better than that trash talk that won't take us anywhere
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Finisher on December 05, 2016, 05:10:03 pm
      I understand you Spectre, temporary or permanent the opinion will stay there for future discussion whether to add it or not or maybe make a major change regarding Jetpacks like removing vip features in order to make it fair for everyone because VIPs aren't supposed to always have the higher advantage over normal regulars. At least the holiday temporary period, something like that :p we can always get to a solution! We discuss, we reach the neutral solution, we apply it :) all it takes is a... little bit of respect<3

      And I'll type it again, the server is being shaped by the players who are playing it right now, all thanks to Jonne and our suggestion board :)
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Arabiane on December 05, 2016, 05:43:38 pm
      Well said fini  !
      Respect all players opinions!
       
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Altus_Demens on December 05, 2016, 06:24:48 pm
      I hardly think that minigun and jetpack-sniper combo are the same, Altus.
      Of course I reduced it to absurdum, by that I just wanted to state that the time doesn't matter when we're talking about mere possibility of existance of imbalanced strategies on our server. I understand the opinion that overpowered things for VIPs are fine if they are temporary, but I cannot agree with that. Just put yourself of non-VIPs place, and you'll understand. Should they cease playing for these 3 weeks?..

      And as far as I got it, everyone has access to jetpacks, so you can kinda run away at any time.
      Only civilians have access to it. The bug when you could pick up your jetpack after reclassing is hopefully fixed.

      I don't see how this will affect your experience permanently.
      Oh, Spectre... I have stated that twice already. But I don't mind repeating if I am replied nicely.
      It doesn't affect our (mine & Mia's) experience that much. Yes, this could be annoying, but in comparison with the other challenges we face while playing... It is like waving off wasps while fighting a tiger. We have sniper rifles, we can shoot back, our opponent would likely escape as it is much easier than to catch him, but we won't likely die too.
      But it would noticeably affect non-VIPs' gameplay as they literally have no tools to fight such sniper. Country rifle's range is maybe half as much as sniper rifle. If you have no aircraft, your only option is to run away (or hide). And it's not due to great efforts of the shooter. No, he just picked a jetpack and paid for sniper rifle, and you've got no options against him. That's too favourable for VIPs. And, as for me, it is very unfair to the people who don't want (or cannot) pay.

      This is an interesting suggestion, but is it really worth the hassle? (not a rhetorical question, I'd like to know) To put that kind of effort for something that's not even going to be permanent?
      That should be very easy. In the very basic case you need an array of flags for each player. The flag is set when a player picks up a jetpack, and dropped when he respawns or disconnects. If the flag is being set, you don't receive a sniper rifle when using /sniper or /vipme. Instead you can be given country rifle (for example).
      And if the idea of adding jetpacks and holiday temporary objects was worth the time spent, a fix of the overpowered strategy should be worth it as well.

      P.S. I am really glad to read you replies, Fini. :) Probably everything is not that bad. Indeed, all of us must learn to respect each other and to tolerate any points of view, even if they come across our personal opinions or interests.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Jonne on December 05, 2016, 06:49:10 pm
      I understand the concerns, but from what I've seen, most of the non-VIPs are asking "Where are the jetpacks", to use them, more than complaining about it being overpowered. I think most of them are alright with it and enjoy having the jetpacks around for a limited amount of time. But anyway, I added a poll to see what the majority thinks here. The poll will run for 5 days, after that we'll see what we'll do.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Miau on December 05, 2016, 07:44:15 pm
      I understand the concerns, but from what I've seen, most of the non-VIPs are asking "Where are the jetpacks", to use them, more than complaining about it being overpowered. I think most of them are alright with it and enjoy having the jetpacks around for a limited amount of time. But anyway, I added a poll to see what the majority thinks here. The poll will run for 5 days, after that we'll see what we'll do.

      It's always pleasant to see that what we discuss in these forums is taken into account, but I don't think that poll is what we exactly need to settle this dispute. First, because you just need to take a glance at the last 4 pages of this topic to notice that the majority overwhelmingly wants everything to remain as it is. Second, because it's clear that this problem only affects a minority, those who get sniped because they don't want to make peace with every VIP, while the majority exploits it. If I could take advantage of sniper+jetpack without being sniped by other jetpackers, like most of the VIPs and all the staff members, I'd probably vote the first option too. You shouldn't expect the ones taking advantage of it to put an end to their own advantage...

      As you said, most of people find jetpacks interesting and fun, they aren't so common in SAMP servers. It would be a shame to remove them as long as there's an alternative solution. That's why I voted to just disable snipers for players using jetpacks.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Tuco on December 05, 2016, 08:05:57 pm
      I understand the concerns, but from what I've seen, most of the non-VIPs are asking "Where are the jetpacks", to use them, more than complaining about it being overpowered. I think most of them are alright with it and enjoy having the jetpacks around for a limited amount of time. But anyway, I added a poll to see what the majority thinks here. The poll will run for 5 days, after that we'll see what we'll do.

      You forgot to add the option "Keep it after holidays"
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Litteratus on December 05, 2016, 08:09:37 pm
      TL; DR for bustlers: I agree with Altus.

      I checked jetpacks today, and I must agree that jetpack + sniper rifle combo is way too powerful. Sniper rifles should be substituted with country rifles for jetpack users.
      By the way, jetpacks could be added for securities instead of civilians. They are forced to follow president anyways, maybe that would help them to stay in touch?

      If any of this will happen, it would be possible to keep jetpacks even after holidays.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Tuco on December 05, 2016, 08:14:52 pm
      Let me record a video of another thing I also take it to be too powerful. Civs with jetpacks and sniper, in comparison to it, are nothing.

      And you know what I am talking about.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Faro0s on December 05, 2016, 08:44:02 pm
      How about you guys stop talking about and just vote since Jonne added a poll. I see a lot of articles here and i am not gonna waste my time to read the same thing written in the first page. Anyways, hope some people here stop with essays and summarize it to a small paragraph.

      Poll's current result is the answer for everyone taking part in the argument. Mia and Altus (*cough*)
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Miau on December 05, 2016, 08:47:21 pm
      Poll's current result is the answer for everyone taking part in the argument. Mia and Altus (*cough*)

      Yes, you definitely didn't waste your time reading what I said. I won't waste mine explaining you why what you just said makes no sense at this moment, you can just scroll up and waste some of your time.

      I see a lot of articles here and i am not gonna waste my time to read the same thing written in the first page. Anyways, hope some people here stop with essays and summarize it to a small paragraph.

      http://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=555.msg3812#msg3812

      Hahaha.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Faro0s on December 05, 2016, 08:57:52 pm
      Poll's current result is the answer for everyone taking part in the argument. Mia and Altus (*cough*)

      Yes, you definitely didn't waste your time reading what I said. I won't waste mine explaining you why what you just said makes no sense at this moment, you can just scroll up and waste some of your time.

      I see a lot of articles here and i am not gonna waste my time to read the same thing written in the first page. Anyways, hope some people here stop with essays and summarize it to a small paragraph.

      http://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=555.msg3812#msg3812

      Hahaha.

      Yes Mia, i agree that jetpack + sniper will be way powerful over the notmal players but don't you think it is kinda same as helicopter + sniper ? So should we remove helis too ?
      anyways, since u did not reply with an article it will be better to stop arguments and just wait for the poll's result.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Alcor on December 05, 2016, 09:00:02 pm
      my poor brain can't take all these long posts. Please include a tl:dr version or work on your summary skills.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Quido on December 05, 2016, 09:16:53 pm
      Some nice updates, coolio :)
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Storm on December 05, 2016, 09:27:12 pm
      Unfortunately, you can't just decide for something if other people doesn't think the same way as you. That's why I asked to add a poll here to know the opinion of other people. You just don't decide what to add and what to remove if the odds are not in your favor. Yes, you have a freedom to express your thoughts about this but it does not mean that you can get everything what you want. I understand what you're fighting for, but the majority have spoken. So please, just listen to the majority because they know what is better for this community.

      PTP is for the community, every decisions made are for the sake of the majority, not for the satisfaction of other small groups.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: SoLoD on December 05, 2016, 10:09:32 pm
      my poor brain can't take all these long posts. Please include a tl:dr version or work on your summary skills.
      Very Important Players of Protect the President Server Plan B do not like that plebs (lvl 0 and lvl 1) are not paid a single penny and still can use jetpacks.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Faro0s on December 05, 2016, 10:26:38 pm
      Unfortunately, you can't just decide for something if other people doesn't think the same way as you. That's why I asked to add a poll here to know the opinion of other people. You just don't decide what to add and what to remove if the odds are not in your favor. Yes, you have a freedom to express your thoughts about this but it does not mean that you can get everything what you want. I understand what you're fighting for, but the majority have spoken. So please, just listen to the majority because they know what is better for this community.

      PTP is for the community, every decisions made are for the sake of the majority, not for the satisfaction of other small groups.

      Everything is said here. Thanks for furthur clarification Stormy.

      my poor brain can't take all these long posts. Please include a tl:dr version or work on your summary skills.
      Very Important Players of Protect the President Server Plan B do not like that plebs (lvl 0 and lvl 1) are not paid a single penny and still can use jetpacks.

      Lol, jetpacks are holiday gifts and it is temporary.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: YoMama on December 06, 2016, 07:21:39 am
      PTP is for the community, every decisions made are for the sake of the majority, not for the satisfaction of other small groups.
      I don't think what you see on the forums is necessarily the majority. I'm not taking a stand on the jetpacks, but many topics like this end up being flooded by a small number of people who are mostly VIPs- definitely not the majority.

      I see a lot of articles here and i am not gonna waste my time to read the same thing written in the first page. Anyways, hope some people here stop with essays and summarize it to a small paragraph.
      tl;dr -1
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: M a k a v e l i . on December 06, 2016, 12:23:22 pm
      nice
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Ege on December 06, 2016, 04:46:53 pm
      nice
      pls son
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Carg on December 06, 2016, 04:52:45 pm
      nice
      pls son
      nice
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Gablo on December 06, 2016, 04:56:38 pm
      The poll added to this topic shows that the majority of the community wants to keep the jetpacks, so I think that discussions about this aren't necessary anymore  :D
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Tuco on December 06, 2016, 08:29:45 pm
      The poll added to this topic shows that the majority of the community wants to keep the jetpacks, so I think that discussions about this aren't necessary anymore  :D

      Now we should vote if we also want it after the holidays :D
      Who agrees with me?
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Faro0s on December 06, 2016, 09:39:17 pm
      The poll added to this topic shows that the majority of the community wants to keep the jetpacks, so I think that discussions about this aren't necessary anymore  :D

      Now we should vote if we also want it after the holidays :D
      Who agrees with me?

      I don't mind.

      #JetpacksTillTheEnd
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Storm on December 06, 2016, 11:43:16 pm
      The poll added to this topic shows that the majority of the community wants to keep the jetpacks, so I think that discussions about this aren't necessary anymore  :D

      Now we should vote if we also want it after the holidays :D
      Who agrees with me?

      I think it should only remain during the holidays, and remove it after. That's too much if you keep it after the holidays.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: COBRA on December 07, 2016, 12:52:57 am
      The poll added to this topic shows that the majority of the community wants to keep the jetpacks, so I think that discussions about this aren't necessary anymore  :D

      Now we should vote if we also want it after the holidays :D
      Who agrees with me?
      No pls :X
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Altus_Demens on December 07, 2016, 02:36:45 pm
      Unfortunately, the poll is really unsuitable this time, as it would only reflect the interests of VIPs minority, and its position is clear without any polls. Random, irregular players majority is ignored as it is not represented on the forum. Well, no need to repeat what we've already said about overpowered jetpack + sniper combo, everything is pretty much obvious. Nobody hasn't yet suggested any option to counter this without another sniper rifle or aircraft.

      Now we should vote if we also want it after the holidays :D
      Who agrees with me?
      If the administration listens and removes imbalanced jetpack + sniper combo, I agree, +1. I do enjoy flying around.

      If any of this will happen, it would be possible to keep jetpacks even after holidays.
      IMHO, that's a nice idea too. Securities often have troubles reaching the president, probably adding a jetpack for them on the spawn would help? Of course, if sniper rifle would be disabled for security jetpack users as well.

      P.S.
      Some nice updates, coolio :)
      That made me smile. :) Positive thinking is something that we all definitely lack.
      Title: Re: Holiday update: 3 Dec
      Post by: Jonne on December 16, 2016, 05:28:13 am
      We'll keep the jetpacks like they are now. From what I've seen, I don't think it's that big of a problem as it's made out to be, and they're only here for a short time anyway.