Plan B

General => Suggestions => Topic started by: Miau on January 24, 2018, 04:17:03 pm

Title: [To be added]Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Miau on January 24, 2018, 04:17:03 pm
There have been tons of other suggestions trying to make SWAT useful by improving their weapons, spawn location or vehicles. None of these received any serious support from the community, so I guess the next step is to look for solutions in a different direction.

SWAT misleads the newbies. The class name suggests that they will get special enhanced weapons if they pick SWAT instead of police, and they end up playing in one of the weakest classes in the game.

So I guess one solution could be to swap the weapon set for each class, so police gets the current SWAT set and SWAT gets the current police set.

But I'd rather simplifying the game and removing a class that has no actual use for anyone who knows how it is like. Is there any reason to keep it, apart from keeping the newbies confused?
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: ZetSu on January 24, 2018, 04:48:09 pm
I'm heavily supporting this. Any of the suggestions mentioned would be great to be placed. +1
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: COBRA on January 24, 2018, 05:06:05 pm
Make the same weapon set with police with just different skin and name called "swat". But I don't want to get SWAT class removed because I like it.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: CapriciousRobber on January 24, 2018, 06:58:11 pm
+1. SWAT is a useless class.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Zeta on January 24, 2018, 07:38:46 pm
+1
-1
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: LPCOLTER on January 24, 2018, 08:03:13 pm
Swat is one of the most diverse class with weapons from each class.

Nobody sees that swat is powerful if one switches to shotgun in between tec reload and shoot someone near, it can give huge damage and stun the opponent.

Swat is unique in itself beneficial for pros too.

SWAT has potential that nobody realises.

Swat should never be removed.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Madman on January 24, 2018, 08:36:55 pm
What's wrong with you?!Why the hell should it be removed?!When some assholes like you don't play as Swat doesn't mean that everyone dislike that class.
Big NO -1
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on January 24, 2018, 08:57:23 pm


Keep it as it is. Just improve it a bit so it can be a bit more competable with other classes.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Kooly™ on January 24, 2018, 10:23:36 pm
+1
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Darwin on January 24, 2018, 10:33:16 pm


Keep it as it is. Just improve it a bit so it can be a bit more competable with other classes.
I agree with lohit there is no particular reason you should remove swat class but easily upgrade the weapons an let the game be fun with the swats
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on January 25, 2018, 12:15:07 am
I remember this was suggested but i cant remember by who or when. It was still denied.
Keep the class its sometimes good to play it and if /smg will be added it will be nicer!
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Storm on January 25, 2018, 12:18:35 am
As what as I have said, Regulars don't even pick swat because cop has better weapon set. To make things balance, the cops' deagles should be replaced with colts, and give swats mp5 and half armor
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: GlennN on January 25, 2018, 04:44:34 am
Give them good weapons, but
SWAT should never be removed.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Saurabh on January 25, 2018, 05:45:59 am
Idk exactly but i think swat is supposed to be a special force trained to counter terro attacks. So I'd not suggest to remove it but rather use this to make game more fun. I haven't really thought of how we can do that exactly but it should be something associated with the /bu (backup ) command that president uses.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: IDAN on January 25, 2018, 06:05:47 am
I think we need to chg their weapons , not remove the class...
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Vishwas on January 25, 2018, 07:25:00 am
Just give them AK (because cops have M4) and it should be fine..
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: YoMama on January 25, 2018, 07:31:49 am
I think SWAT should be given SMGs (not a command to get them, just give them SMGs), and the cops should be weakened to make SWAT an possible upgrade instead of an overall downgrade. Remove the Deagle and give cops low M4 skill. Make SWAT for walking and DBing weapons (sort of a hybrid security/cop class) and cops for running ones.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Shawkhawk did nothing wrong! on January 25, 2018, 08:37:48 am
Swats are not weak but they are also not a good choice for new players who don't know anything about the gamemode or have 0 samp skills and for major/armor fights.
     They have different purpose than main fighting classes, I go swats sometimes when I'm not interested in direct fights. I use it for sabotaging/delaying terros, for example- messing up the airfield, pushing their cars in water in fc, damaging and puncturing their vehicles before they encounter cops ( using vip sniper), stealing hydras from lv airport etc, plus they have good weapons from all classes thus making them a good choice for solo players, deagle for finishing off the fight, shotgun is better for damaging terrorists and their inaccurate aks at longer distance (I find shotgun easier to aim that other assault rifles, at least when target is in mid range), and tec9s for main fight and if swat has vip weapons like sniper then its better than main fighting classes in some ways.
  But of course nobody uses it that way and like I said, it's not suited for major armor fights, 10vs1 or for new guys  so Better remove it than making newbies RQ from weak weapons.

Maybe Mia's suggestion might convince others to do something about swat class, even though it might be just to oppose her XD.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Ege on January 25, 2018, 10:35:21 am
What I find ironic is that most of those players who're strictly against this suggestion don't even choose SWAT class (the only exception could be NSA to reach the hydras faster) but they also don't agree with any of the suggested updates for SWAT. And I think they'd also say that this class is useless. I personally am not a fan of removing this class but so far I haven't seen any suggestions about it which the community agreed on and I can't deny the fact it's the most useless and weakest class in the game. So I think people should change their mindsets about both old and upcoming suggestions regarding to this class.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: LPCOLTER on January 25, 2018, 11:02:48 am
What I think is, the opinion of players depend upon who starts the topic,  earlier it was suggested, it was denied, what's the point discussing it again
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Captain on January 25, 2018, 12:25:28 pm
As what as I have said, Regulars don't even pick swat because cop has better weapon set. To make things balance, the cops' deagles should be replaced with colts, and give swats mp5 and half armor
+1
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Oakley on January 25, 2018, 12:38:57 pm
Hay usuarios nuevos (no vip) que juegan en swat solo por el skin y si eso atrae a tan solo un user nuevo entonces basta para dejarlo como está, solo apoyaria para cambiar las armas, saludos mia !
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Maddy on January 25, 2018, 01:06:19 pm
No, SWAT class shouldn't be removed. As Ege said, since the suggestions to remove or to improve SWAT class are being made, none of them are taken into consideration. So I think removing it will not be good just some modifications are thus wanted by all.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: BugsBunny on January 25, 2018, 01:26:46 pm
SWAT Team is life,but the fact that you can't play this class doesn't mean anyone want to play,SWAT is a special team and it makes the gamemode like Roleplay,i kinda like it to be honest :D,improvements must be made,if cbug was enabled in the server again,i wouldn't change from SWAT
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Rage on January 25, 2018, 01:53:29 pm
I’don’t know why guys hate SWAT Swat is life swat is love
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Ege on January 25, 2018, 01:57:53 pm
I’don’t know why guys hate SWAT Swat is life swat is love
Says the guy who hasn't picked SWAT more than a couple of times... Nobody hates SWAT by the way.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT
Post by: Shawkhawk did nothing wrong! on January 25, 2018, 05:26:59 pm
cbug
 
enabled
Bunny plzzz
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Miau on January 25, 2018, 09:08:02 pm
just some modifications are thus wanted by all.

Could you elaborate on that? Because there are many suggestions about modifications and none of them received major support.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: LPCOLTER on January 26, 2018, 05:11:36 am
just some modifications are thus wanted by all.

Could you elaborate on that? Because there are many suggestions about modifications and none of them received major support.
If the suggestions didn't receive support earlier, how can they get support now?
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Ege on January 26, 2018, 06:56:19 am
just some modifications are thus wanted by all.

Could you elaborate on that? Because there are many suggestions about modifications and none of them received major support.
If the suggestions didn't receive support earlier, how can they get support now?

I think people should change their mindsets about both old and upcoming suggestions regarding to this class.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: LPCOLTER on January 27, 2018, 09:42:47 am
just some modifications are thus wanted by all.

Could you elaborate on that? Because there are many suggestions about modifications and none of them received major support.
If the suggestions didn't receive support earlier, how can they get support now?

I think people should change their mindsets about both old and upcoming suggestions regarding to this class.
Your thinking doesn't change the hypocrisy of the people dayum
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Matt on January 28, 2018, 07:58:02 am
Swat shouldnt be removed but it should be fixed up with better logic
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Saurabh on January 28, 2018, 05:48:34 pm
Swat shouldnt be removed but it should be fixed up with better logic
^

Put it into use when the president asks for backup with/bu. Idk how, just think of the use
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Jonne on September 20, 2018, 11:06:22 pm
I also think it shouldn't be removed, or that we should change other classes because of it. What about adding a sniper for the SWAT class? It won't replace a current weapon, just as an additional weapon. I think that might make the class a bit more attractive. It also kind of falls into its 'theme', and it would give the chance to non-VIPs to use a sniper.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on September 20, 2018, 11:40:34 pm
That's worse Jonne,cops already camp at armor, I don't want wannabe tryhards that people are when they get VIP for the first time to be at Main Armor. Even more importantly there is no terrorist equivalent of it. Terrorist would be completely outclassed. M4 is still vastly superior to the AK,Uzi is better in close range,Deagle is relative to Spaz itself.

Adding of sniper is just worse. Rather why not change take advantage of the problem instead? Change the impact SWATs make on the server balance, lower their impact. So if the odds are against the president and a civ can't RC he can go SWAT.

And on a similar note, why not add the SWAT counterpart to the terrorists to make use of the same but from a terro perspective?



Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Yan on September 20, 2018, 11:55:34 pm
if you add sniper the SWAT should be limited because all non vip (with clan war will camp in armour with it ) or creat new Duty for this class
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Chetan on September 21, 2018, 04:55:33 am
I also think it shouldn't be removed, or that we should change other classes because of it. What about adding a sniper for the SWAT class? It won't replace a current weapon, just as an additional weapon. I think that might make the class a bit more attractive. It also kind of falls into its 'theme', and it would give the chance to non-VIPs to use a sniper.

I like what you are saying, giving Non-VIPs a great chance to use sniper, but make sure it is not abused. As Yan Suggested:

if you add sniper the SWAT should be limited because all non vip (with clan war will camp in armour with it ) or creat new Duty for this class
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on September 21, 2018, 08:22:34 am
Mp5 with sniper pls try it out for a week
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Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Spici_Popot on September 21, 2018, 12:34:54 pm
LOL that class makes a better view as they understand it as (Special weapons and tactics) "SWAT"
HAHA but Jonne couldn't understand it that time,
Its happens and now HE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT THINK

I HERE FINISH MY TWO WORDS..
"WE CAN".
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Finisher on September 21, 2018, 12:44:25 pm
Removing the team is the best solution, you can’t revive what’s been dead for over a decade with adding a sniper
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Miau on September 21, 2018, 02:09:03 pm
I wouldn't recommend adding snipers for SWAT. Protecting classes are already overdemanded, most [new] players won't be terrorists unless forced by the auto team balance. Now auto team balance is doing a much better job, but I think that making terrorist class even less attractive compared to protecting classes is not what we need.

I still don't see any reason not to remove SWAT. This class is only used by newbies that either
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Aksel on September 21, 2018, 11:31:56 pm
Just give swat guns similar to cop's and problem solved
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Hito on September 22, 2018, 01:13:21 am
Just give swat guns similar to cop's and problem solved
ABSOLUTE MAD LAD!!!
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: YoMama on September 22, 2018, 01:30:28 am
What about adding a sniper for the SWAT class? It won't replace a current weapon, just as an additional weapon. I think that might make the class a bit more attractive. It also kind of falls into its 'theme', and it would give the chance to non-VIPs to use a sniper.
I think snipers are way overpowered as it is. I don't think giving them to SWAT would help anything, except probably making the SWAT class a crowded part of the already often disproportionately large protecting side which has far superior weapons at longer distances regardless (the M4 with maxed-out skill). It would be even more difficult to be a terrorist. As it is, I often feel like I'm having a harder time being one of the few terrorists chasing than the President is running, since it seems like I often have more members of the protecting team trying to stop just me than there are terrorists chasing.

I generally think that the M4 should be made a little less powerful. Lower the skill for the police and security M4s and give SWAT more skill with them, that will make SWAT a little more special. You can't really make SWAT better than the police when the police already have some of the best weapons around and maxed-out skill. Giving the SWAT higher M4 skill would push it into more of a long-distance role than the others (except the sniper breaks that balance, as usual).
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Acze on September 22, 2018, 02:32:06 am
What about adding a sniper for the SWAT class? It won't replace a current weapon, just as an additional weapon. I think that might make the class a bit more attractive. It also kind of falls into its 'theme', and it would give the chance to non-VIPs to use a sniper.
I think snipers are way overpowered as it is. I don't think giving them to SWAT would help anything, except probably making the SWAT class a crowded part of the already often disproportionately large protecting side which has far superior weapons at longer distances regardless (the M4 with maxed-out skill). It would be even more difficult to be a terrorist. As it is, I often feel like I'm having a harder time being one of the few terrorists chasing than the President is running, since it seems like I often have more members of the protecting team trying to stop just me than there are terrorists chasing.

I generally think that the M4 should be made a little less powerful. Lower the skill for the police and security M4s and give SWAT more skill with them, that will make SWAT a little more special. You can't really make SWAT better than the police when the police already have some of the best weapons around and maxed-out skill. Giving the SWAT higher M4 skill would push it into more of a long-distance role than the others (except the sniper breaks that balance, as usual).
Just gonna say that as well, just add M4 to SWAT and give them some power.. then problem solved.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Acze on September 27, 2018, 12:22:59 pm
I just watch some vids about SWATs in GTA SA and in real life SWATs too and I just have a brilliant idea. How about adding Combat Shotguns/SMGs to SWATs instead of M4?
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: AnonymousPlayer on September 27, 2018, 12:46:40 pm
I disagree, don't remove swat class and also no change weapon, the swat class is ok, I like to be pretending noob.  ;D ;D ;D but if jonne wants to add sniper then limit the ammo like 10.  :D
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Konata Izumi on October 19, 2018, 01:00:16 pm
Sir , either you remove the Swat class or Make a new weapon sets for them because the reason people done like Swat class is because of their weapons only.
+1 for your suggestion Mia
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Chetan on October 19, 2018, 02:45:29 pm
I'd like SWAT class being given 150 HP with the same sets of weapon instead of giving them sniper.
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Son_Gun on October 19, 2018, 03:04:25 pm
I'd like SWAT class being given 150 HP with the same sets of weapon instead of giving them sniper.

What's use of 150 HP??
Title: Re: Remove SWAT or swap weapons with police
Post by: Jonne on December 05, 2018, 07:19:42 pm
As the snipers didn't seem like a great idea, we'll probably just give them the same weapons as police. That way the only difference will be the skins, and in some cases the spawn points. I don't want to remove them completely, so this seems like the best option left.