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General => Suggestions => Topic started by: Tuco on April 09, 2019, 03:58:34 pm

Title: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Tuco on April 09, 2019, 03:58:34 pm
I direct this post to Jonne, but I would love if everybody can join the discussion :)

THE FACTS:

In the last 3 or 4 months I see that slowly and steadily the players of this server have stopped playing the Gamemode. This is not my opinion, this is a fact.
I've just logged in to play. There were 18 players, including me, only 1 presi and another sec. The rest were civilians and a pair of cops and terrorists who were fighting each other, president was flying peacefuly.

When someone connects to this server is because they found something attractive in the title: Protect the President.

This is my favourite gamemode and that's why I am here. Otherwise I would be playing Battlefield.

I understand ppl that sometimes want to do some duels or fight their enemies, I totally get it... but now that's become the norm: nobody plays the GM anymore.

Those are the facts, now I want to talk about the past measures:

WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO SOLVE IT:

I appreciate the effort that Jonne and all the other admins and members of this community have put on improving this server. I really like this leaderboard and score system. It gives a good reason for new players to play the gamemode. I was so happy to see ppl like Yasir to get the vip after having played so much the Gamemode in the last 30 days.

I also appreciate that you are making the server more democratic and you are open to hear everybody's opinions, not like before in Tenshi's server.

I find great that you are trying to balance how powerful the players are, and decided to give saws and snipers to all the players.

That's great... but unfortunately none of those things  were enough to solve the main issue:

NOBODY PLAYS THE GAMEMODE

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MY SUGGESTIONS:

- The other day somebody mentioned that eliminating the clans would solve this issue. I don't think so. I really think that clans give a nice touch to the game.

- However, I think the biggest cancer of this server are the CLAN WARS. We have to find a way to end with the clan wars. Nobody likes the clan wars except for the ppl that are doing them. And guess what, being on a war 99% of the time ruins the experience of the players that come here to play the gamemode.

- We also have to put a limit on the amount of duels that people can make. It's ridiculous that some days half of the server is dueling the other half. I get it, if there are only 4 players, maybe that's the best thing you can do... but I've just seen 14 civs, 7 duels.

- We have to make it even more atractive to follow the gamemode.

... About the specific suggestions:


- I would not allow skins selection to other players. I would show only the colour (the class) to the enemies, but not the names. What we get with this is ending with stupid clan wars (of course, for doing this you have to agree with me on the first 4 points). Mainly people fight against each other because of their names. If we delete the names, this will be solved.

So it will look like this: The classes colors will still be the same. The difference is that each class can see the names of the "classmates", making it easier to interact with them. But the enemies will not be able to see your name, they will only be able to see which class you belong to, your HP and... that's all. So if Pepe hates Jose, but Pepe has no way to find Jose to kill him over and over again in a clan war, then maybe Pepe will start playing the Gamemode.

- I would create a system that will make terrorists lose health if they are not proactively following the president, the same applies to cops. For example, if the president is in the center of SF, but the terrorists take longer than 1 minute to arrive there, they will be losing health quite rapidly, making the clan wars very unatractive. (just like presi loses health on the water, the system can be applied to all players).

Those are my two suggestions.
Of course, to even consider these two suggestions you have to agree with the first points.
If you don't agree with the first points then we can debate.
But maybe you disagree because you actually dislike this gamemode and prefer to do some "capture the flag" or Battlefield GM. I respect you, but please go somewhere else to play, and let the ppl who chose this server to enjoy it.

The problem of this server is not how unbalanced are the VIPs in relation to non-VIPs. The problem of this server is that very few ppl enjoy the Gamemode.

Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Darwin/Retired on April 09, 2019, 04:57:53 pm
+1 goog
But
The clan idea is shit...no clan = less players
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Crash on April 09, 2019, 05:13:34 pm
Not bad, i like it. That would probably solve all the big major problems in PTP, including not following gamemode and constant gang wars.
However, people that do that would probably dislike your idea.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Uzumaki on April 09, 2019, 05:17:35 pm
I like almost all the part.
But for the Terrorist health losing thing, I don't agree.

And about balance, how about we balance for cops and securities too?
Like if there are 10 terrorists on attacking team. We will need 10 players on protecting team. Among those 10 protectors, 60% or maybe 70% must be security i.e. 6 or 7 securities and 40% or 30% will be cops/swat. I guess this is possible right? I dunno how good/bad impact this will have but maybe we could do it? This is not a perfect balance but still :3
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: iDanz0r on April 09, 2019, 06:03:04 pm

... About the specific suggestions:


- I would not allow skins selection to other players. I would show only the colour (the class) to the enemies, but not the names. What we get with this is ending with stupid clan wars (of course, for doing this you have to agree with me on the first 4 points). Mainly people fight against each other because of their names. If we delete the names, this will be solved.

So it will look like this: The classes colors will still be the same. The difference is that each class can see the names of the "classmates", making it easier to interact with them. But the enemies will not be able to see your name, they will only be able to see which class you belong to, your HP and... that's all. So if Pepe hates Jose, but Pepe has no way to find Jose to kill him over and over again in a clan war, then maybe Pepe will start playing the Gamemode.
It's really a good idea. Hiding the nametag could be helpful to partially eliminate this. A lot of communities have commands like /mask as a VIP feature that hides their Nametag.

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- I would create a system that will make terrorists lose health if they are not proactively following the president, the same applies to cops. For example, if the president is in the center of SF, but the terrorists take longer than 1 minute to arrive there, they will be losing health quite rapidly, making the clan wars very unatractive. (just like presi loses health on the water, the system can be applied to all players).
There are situations when the rival team blocks the area or forces you into a situation where you cannot move forward or avoid them until you kill them. Putting the time limit would just make it worse.
I, myself have already suggested something this similar to Jonne over PM. His response is quick, he will look into it.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Zeta on April 09, 2019, 06:18:42 pm
+1 good
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: cobby on April 09, 2019, 07:07:57 pm
Didnt read it lol.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: AhMeD on April 09, 2019, 07:39:13 pm
Bullshits.

If you applied this shit, most of regular players will get annoyed as they all gain their whole fun from the clan wars.

You might get some newbies feeling better if you disallowed clan wars as they will not get killed at armour because of the regulars fighting there, but you will almost get most of the regulars and vips hating the server as they gain their fun from the clan wars that you don't like.

Proofs: Most of them always leaving the game mode and fighting as cops vs terrorists. This is what they choose, this is what they like, so just keep it like how it is now.

Also remember when Tenshi disallowed fighting at armour at the old ptp, how many regulars didn't like it and how many players got banned because of fighting at armour, I was one of them.

 
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: YoMama on April 10, 2019, 05:16:56 am
Didnt read it lol.
What the fuck is the point of comments such as this? Does it really reflect well on you to advertise that you lack the attention span to read a post that's shorter than a newspaper article at ~800 words?

Bullshits.

If you applied this shit, most of regular players will get annoyed as they all gain their whole fun from the clan wars.

You might get some newbies feeling better if you disallowed clan wars as they will not get killed at armour because of the regulars fighting there, but you will almost get most of the regulars and vips hating the server as they gain their fun from the clan wars that you don't like.

Proofs: Most of them always leaving the game mode and fighting as cops vs terrorists. This is what they choose, this is what they like, so just keep it like how it is now.

Also remember when Tenshi disallowed fighting at armour at the old ptp, how many regulars didn't like it and how many players got banned because of fighting at armour, I was one of them.
Sure, maybe regulars who totally refuse to play the gamemode would leave. Who, out of the people who actually play, gives a shit? It won't matter to the gamemode. As it is, there might be 16 people in the server and maybe five are actually playing the GM while the rest are dueling or armor fighting. In terms of the gamemode, it doesn't matter if the remaining 11 leave. The same five people will still be playing.

However, you're being ridiculous. We have some of the most competent players in SA:MP playing here. Find a server where people are as good at all the different aspects of the game as the players in this one. I don't think many people will leave because they have to recast their dueling and clan shit to fit the GM. Even so, those people who might leave because they can't ignore the spirit of the server anymore are not losses.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Magic on April 10, 2019, 10:34:49 am

You might get some newbies feeling better if you disallowed clan wars as they will not get killed at armour because of the regulars fighting there, but you will almost get most of the regulars and vips hating the server as they gain their fun from the clan wars that you don't like.

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Posted by Exp at 17:41:30, 27/11/2018:

Nice gamemode the community sucks. Angry 24 7 don t try to kill the people with TAG they will be mad at you and chasing you till you quit the game

Posted by Soulslayer at 19:37:44, 26/03/2019:
Community is very Angry for new player

Posted by Claus at 13:51:56, 04/03/2019:
Fucking VIPS RUIN GAME

Posted by P4Vlow at 13:46:49, 11/10/2018:
Server not Fun Police and Terrorist is Team kill Civilan

Posted by Hakim at 13:59:15, 08/12/2017:
Its good Server but Not for nee Player their Aren t welcome because VIPs will Team Up and kill even Go their in Different Teams Like Cops and terrors its very unbalanced
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on April 10, 2019, 01:57:45 pm
Let's see what I agree on and what I don't.
First of all,
+1
for the suggestion overall.
Secondly,not true that no one follows the game mode.I do,whenever I can.I am not interested in gang vs gang fights,or duels.Even if I fight someone,it's because of the game mode,actually.That way,I can slow them down,maybe even increase their distance towards president if I kill them and therefore make them respawn.Also,I sometimes stay behind as a sacrificial goat so the president can escape.
Next,I agree with the names.The same idea slipped through my head: only allies should be able to see your names.There's still the possibility of recognition through favorite skins,but that's a risk we should take.
Also,I still stand with my suggestion to make additional allied and hostile civilian classes,so everyone would know who works for who,and so that the civilians cannot gang up on certain group and disbalance the map.
As for the health loss,I have to disagree.Sometimes,I too need to go recharge or I simply can't reach the president fast enough.But,we could put up a zone that would be wide over map and the defenders/terrorists would have to be in it,while the allied/hostile civilians wouldn't be obliged to.They could be the ones who would be doing the fighting far from president,something like a civil war ;D
Furthermore,if we make new classes,we would have to redistribute weapons to all classes and put up the percentage of players that can join a certain class.We also need another terrorist class to match the number of defender classes.
Also,you all should check out Crash's recent suggestion and determine whether you want to temporarily,as VIPs,lose benefits,for the sake of some other ones that would be chosen.
Also,most of this stuff would require a maintenance or few,so I hope you're all prepared to stop playing for a short while.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on April 10, 2019, 02:55:05 pm
I fight alone vs 4 terrors in sec class i barely get any help.
And im only joining cuz i want to have fun.
Firstly change the realism then add something like that
+ they can easily just change skins and tell them: kill only these people with this skin
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on April 10, 2019, 03:19:18 pm
Yeah,we also need forced reclassing when the disbalance occurs.Or else,people can keep quitting on one side and the other side stays as it is,we need better balancing enforcement.I think that civilians shouldn't stay as they are.They're too unoredictable and can assault only one side,thus causing a huge disbalance.So,even if they can be interesting as they are now,maybe they'll need to be reformed.How about having additional map for people where they can fully visit the GTA SA map and have a house there,when they turn civilians,so they can work?I know we're not very numerous,but that's a realistical thing to do,including how interesting it can be.Working,buying a house,having relationships,parties...anything the GTA world can offer.Protecting the president is a type of roleplay,not just first person shooting lol.
Maybe my suggestion sounds childish,but I'd surely like the idea of having civilians actually do something except statswhoring and getting wrecked.VIPs could have a privilege of getting a house immediately plus getting to choose one un-modded expensive car per choice.Then,we can introduce the salary system.Scores(both proximity/chasing and kills/assists) would earn money.The more and the better you play,the more money you get.Plus we can count the hourly activity.
I think that all can be done for our server.Please,support me,and don't just randomly discard the idea.I know what the server is about,but the idea can be expanded.
Your opinions?Hope I'm not taking your time and space from the actual topic.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on April 10, 2019, 05:02:29 pm
Yeah,we also need forced reclassing when the disbalance occurs.Or else,people can keep quitting on one side and the other side stays as it is,we need better balancing enforcement.I think that civilians shouldn't stay as they are.They're too unoredictable and can assault only one side,thus causing a huge disbalance.So,even if they can be interesting as they are now,maybe they'll need to be reformed.How about having additional map for people where they can fully visit the GTA SA map and have a house there,when they turn civilians,so they can work?I know we're not very numerous,but that's a realistical thing to do,including how interesting it can be.Working,buying a house,having relationships,parties...anything the GTA world can offer.Protecting the president is a type of roleplay,not just first person shooting lol.
Maybe my suggestion sounds childish,but I'd surely like the idea of having civilians actually do something except statswhoring and getting wrecked.VIPs could have a privilege of getting a house immediately plus getting to choose one un-modded expensive car per choice.Then,we can introduce the salary system.Scores(both proximity/chasing and kills/assists) would earn money.The more and the better you play,the more money you get.Plus we can count the hourly activity.
I think that all can be done for our server.Please,support me,and don't just randomly discard the idea.I know what the server is about,but the idea can be expanded.
Your opinions?Hope I'm not taking your time and space from the actual topic.

This isnt roleplay
IT would just put PTP gamemode in the garbage bin.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on April 10, 2019, 05:37:31 pm
See?That's not a constructive argument.
Not roleplay?Roleplay is anything you take a role in and act as you should."Protect the president" is also a roleplay,except that the roles are quite limited in the game mode.I think people would be interested in doing something else other that shooting and running.
If you have no other arguments,please let someone else say something,if that makes some sense and actually explains why they would (not) support my idea.
I don't say admins are completely lazy,they do their part on the forum and stuff,but they need developers.Those people would develop the server further,while the mods would take care of requests and rule breaks.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Tuco on April 10, 2019, 09:03:13 pm
See?That's not a constructive argument.

I appreciate if you stick to the topic that I opened. I hope that's an argument for you. If somebody opens a debate, please stick to the points of the debate and don't create another one. That's basic forum etiquette :)

Not bad, i like it. That would probably solve all the big major problems in PTP, including not following gamemode and constant gang wars.
However, people that do that would probably dislike your idea.

Glad that you find my idea interesting, thanks :)

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Bullshits.

If you applied this shit, most of regular players will get annoyed as they all gain their whole fun from the clan wars.

That says it all. For you to have fun with the wars, you confirm that you have to stop playing the Gamemode. I hope the owner of the server gets now the big picture and takes action.

...

I'd like Jonne to reply as well! :D
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: LuCa on April 10, 2019, 10:49:49 pm
In a way Cop vs Terror is a Part of the Gamemode...
The Cops fight the Terrors so that they can’t even reach the President
And the Terrors fight the Cops too make it easier for a other group of terrors  or Civilians to reach the President....



Do you get that Logic ?

Afterall  it’s a TDM Server
And by doing Cops vs Terrors we are acutally also part of the GM
Dosent matter how you twist it.


Why Would you even suggest to hide names ? Do you rly think that  that’s the reason why Cop vs Terror happens?
No it happens because it’s part of the GAME and it is As you can see yourself a FUN part of the Gamemode
It still would happen even if Clans and Clanswars didn’t exist for the simple reason cause it’s FUN and part of this TDM server.


Why don’t you let the Players decide what they want to do... instead of bitching on Forums about your interpretation of the Gamemode


Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Tuco on April 10, 2019, 11:55:47 pm
In a way Cop vs Terror is a Part of the Gamemode...
The Cops fight the Terrors so that they can’t even reach the President
And the Terrors fight the Cops too make it easier for a other group of terrors  or Civilians to reach the President....

Do you get that Logic ?

Do you really want me to believe that the purpose of wars is for cops to fight terrorists in order to make it harder for them to kill the president?  ::)

Why Would you even suggest to hide names ? Do you rly think that  that’s the reason why Cop vs Terror happens?

The point of hiding names is that Mr PWN doesn't connect only to kill Ms IDF or Mr GGT (also the other way around, of course). That's the main reason. If you didn't get it I encourage you to read again ;) The players will still be blue/red on the map, causing the fun of cop vs terro to happen.


Why don’t you let the Players decide what they want to do... instead of bitching on Forums about your interpretation of the Gamemode


Doesn't matter how you twist it, you and another bunch of regulars only log in to engage in clan wars, making the game highly unattractive for president and a small number of terrorists that area really trying.

Also, I am not interpreting the gamemode, the gamemode is PROTECT THE PRESIDENT. Tell me what a clan war has to do with protecting the president.

I am not the one taking the decisions, of course you can do whatever you want, but please just assume and take responsibility: you are ruining the server.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: YoMama on April 11, 2019, 05:39:14 am
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Posted by Exp at 17:41:30, 27/11/2018:

Nice gamemode the community sucks. Angry 24 7 don t try to kill the people with TAG they will be mad at you and chasing you till you quit the game

Posted by Soulslayer at 19:37:44, 26/03/2019:
Community is very Angry for new player

Posted by Claus at 13:51:56, 04/03/2019:
Fucking VIPS RUIN GAME

Posted by P4Vlow at 13:46:49, 11/10/2018:
Server not Fun Police and Terrorist is Team kill Civilan

Posted by Hakim at 13:59:15, 08/12/2017:
Its good Server but Not for nee Player their Aren t welcome because VIPs will Team Up and kill even Go their in Different Teams Like Cops and terrors its very unbalanced
I've been waiting for someone to acknowledge that these reviews exist-- I'm sure many of us have seen them. This writing has been on the wall for nearly two years now, and still we have toxic players like AhMeD who have their heads so far up their asses that they pretend that new players love the culture here.

Afterall  it’s a TDM Server
And by doing Cops vs Terrors we are acutally also part of the GM
Dosent matter how you twist it.
This is not a pure TDM server, and your specious argument doesn't change that. The entire gamemode revolves around protecting or attacking the President, and any fights should stem from that. Ignoring the President and going to a random armor spawn or location on the map to have a dick-measuring contest has nothing to do with the gamemode. It's plainly obvious that the players who do this all the time are not doing it for the gamemode-- I see them blatantly ignoring the President all the time.

There are many crappy rip-offs of this server (some embedded into other GMs) that regularly have high counts of people who love the core concepts of the gamemode and play it. Our server and implementation of the gamemode is far better, but we have a nasty culture of selfish people who succeed in bending the server into their own fucked-up shitshow. For reasons I have never understood, these people are allowed to get away with it, even if they're blatantly breaking rules (like following /duty) that are critical to the gamemode and worthwhile to enforce.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Aztrek on April 11, 2019, 11:46:44 am
I agree with you but for eliminating the clans, I highly dis-agree. Because there are some players who would like to play the game mode rather than doing clan wars, but on the other hand, players like to do clan wars over playing the game mode. So this can also lead to loss of players. If you don't want clans, you can leave the clan and play the game mode. Isn't it simple?
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on April 11, 2019, 01:26:35 pm
Clans can fight in duels.Not in the actual gamemode.If they're fighting pointless duels as cops vs terrorists,that's straying away from duty.I'd understand if people roleplayed and,like,made street barricades so that the terrorists can't go through to president.That makes sense.But fighting battles around armor points that do not in any way aid or endanger the president is wrong.Duels could be develeoped into gang wars specifically for you clan members,but you should not be included in the game if that's all you want to do.
Roleplaying is important in the server,nevertheless what you guys say.I cannot comprehend how some people can be so stupid,saying this is not a roleplay server.Roleplaying is a wider term,it doesn't only include making your own life aspects in the game,it's taking on ANY role.And we take roles of defenders or assaulters.The server IS NOT only about shoot first and ask questions later - that's simpleton thinking.So,stick to the role and protect/attack the president.Make it seem realistic.But,what can I expect from a server full of kids/teens with more-less poor knowledge of English language...if you all were young adults,profficient in English,something could have been done.Otherwise,it'll be only a bunch of kids spamming bullets everywhere and at anyone,without getting into the role they have been given...
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on April 11, 2019, 02:44:20 pm
I don't say admins are completely lazy,they do their part on the forum and stuff,but they need developers.Those people would develop the server further,while the mods would take care of requests and rule breaks.
Developers = people that know howto use the code properly and know howto make the whole PTP script by themselfs. Find somebody that can do everything that is on the plan B server right now and that guy will be called a developer.
And teaching head admins how to script will take Jonnes time which will shorten the time for making updates because teaching how to script doesent take 10 minutes.
 

.I think people would be interested in doing something else other that shooting and running.
What the hell do you even think this gamemode is about?
This isnt the President that can build walls and shit, he is supposed to run from the terorists and hide until the timer runs out, but i aint against making some tasks for the president to come to in order to gain some advantage.
If you have no other arguments,please let someone else say something,if that makes some sense and actually explains why they would (not) support my idea.
Why support your idea?
Ur idea has more negative things than those that are positive.

Give some normal ideas that could improve the PTP not a totally different gamemode.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Magic on April 11, 2019, 02:58:34 pm
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Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on April 11, 2019, 03:02:33 pm
I never said we need a different gamemode,I only suggested to make something like a lobby for people to have something to do when they are not fighting/playing the mode.Like,let the people,when they turn into civilians,do something other than just shooting.STICK TO THE ROLES.That's all there is to it.You are yet another person that observes everything through the prism of "shoot and run" concept.What do the real civilians do when the president is endangered?Either WORK,away from the dangerous area,or EVACUATE.We need a completely new concept of "Protect the president" mode.I'm not keen towards just shooting,whoever and whenever I encounter someone.Do you understand?We need a new evaluation system?Want something?Earn it.Play for long.Earn money to unlock it.Acquire a certain level.Something like that?We could actually make the money useful besides it being used on vending machines and modding cars.People could earn various benefits through active playing and achieving feats.That's what would be interesting.Not just "raaaahhhh let's kill everyone!!!" shit kids adore.
And I haven't seen you give any constructive arguments against,or something that proves my point is negative and harmful for the server,when we haven't even tried it out.
One more thing: please,do not hold me lessons about what developers are.I'm a programming student,so,I know it myself.And this server definitely needs people witty with improving/debugging things.Not just mods that will unban proven hackers and do small-time changes.
I have a vision.I may not be the one that can fulfill anything,since I'm an amteur at programming,but ideas are what I possess.Whoever works well with codes can do much,and much can be done with little to no effort.Let's just make this server more interesting.Otherwise,old players will grow older,lose time on the game and quit,thus dropping the player number.The root of all problems is not updating the server frequently.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Tuco on April 11, 2019, 03:35:23 pm
I agree with you but for eliminating the clans, I highly dis-agree.

Cubey, man, I really don't know where did you get the idea that I want to eliminate clans, I quote you the two lines where I wrote the opposite.


- The other day somebody mentioned that eliminating the clans would solve this issue. I don't think so. I really think that clans give a nice touch to the game.

I never said we need a different gamemode,I only suggested to make something like a lobby for people to have something to do when they are not fighting/playing the mode.

I know where you are going, but please open a different topic for that.
I could suggest you numerous roleplay servers if you prefer, of course there's a certain "role" in Protecting the president, but role in SAMP has always being text-heavy and people in PTP are not willing to do that.
However, the topic is how to follow the GameMode with the tools that we have.

My suggestions are clear:

- Mask the names of the enemies.
- Make a script that makes people lose health (or something else) if they don't stick to presi.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Carg on April 11, 2019, 09:19:06 pm
A GgT complaining about clan wars. *Oh the irony*
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Tuco on April 11, 2019, 09:40:40 pm
A GgT complaining about clan wars. *Oh the irony*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Carg on April 11, 2019, 09:47:38 pm
A GgT complaining about clan wars. *Oh the irony*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Tuco on April 11, 2019, 09:55:56 pm
I will ignore the fact that an admin of this server is telling me that my opinion is less valuable because I am part of a clan, even though I've never taken part of a single clan war. So not only my past actions qualify me to give this suggestion, but also the suggestion itself is supported by facts and other people.

You don't look very concerned and that's maybe another issue that we all forgot to mention: are admins even interested in changing the situation?  :-\

PS: Still waiting for Jonne's take on this! :)
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Carg on April 11, 2019, 09:59:34 pm
I will ignore the fact that an admin of this server is telling me that my opinion is less valuable because I am part of a clan, even though I've never taken part of a single clan war. So not only my past actions qualify me to give this suggestion, but also the suggestion itself is supported by facts and other people.

You don't look very concerned and that's maybe another issue that we all forgot to mention: are admins even interested in changing the situation?  :-\

PS: Still waiting for Jonne's take on this! :)
Sure you can understand the facts as it fits you.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: iDanz0r on April 11, 2019, 11:11:33 pm
I will ignore the fact that an admin of this server is telling me that my opinion is less valuable because I am part of a clan, even though I've never taken part of a single clan war. So not only my past actions qualify me to give this suggestion, but also the suggestion itself is supported by facts and other people.
One suggestion is to remove the useless admins who are setting a bad example to the community players by criticizing every single person who comes up with a different perspective in order to demand changes in the server.
A GgT complaining about clan wars. *Oh the irony*
Let it be a constructive discussion. If you cannot contribute into this, you shouldn't reply either with your sarcastic comments.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Carg on April 11, 2019, 11:36:45 pm
One suggestion is to remove the useless admins who are setting a bad example to the community players by criticizing every single person who comes up with a different perspective in order to demand changes in the server.
That's actually a good idea, I would add let's ban every hacker or cheater that harms/have harmed the server, permanently, without a chance of reconsideration.
A GgT complaining about clan wars. *Oh the irony*
Let it be a constructive discussion. If you cannot contribute into this, you shouldn't reply either with your sarcastic comments.
Why? How am I not letting it be constructive discussion? How do you know I can't contribute to thise, and why can't I reply with sarcastic comments?
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on April 12, 2019, 12:32:53 pm
One suggestion is to remove the useless admins who are setting a bad example to the community players by criticizing every single person who comes up with a different perspective in order to demand changes in the server.

Let it be a constructive discussion. If you cannot contribute into this, you shouldn't reply either with your sarcastic comments.
Agreed with both.Mods who cannot or,more likely,don't want to support progress or obstruct it,should be reconsidered about their position.
As for the constructivity,I agree.I do not support sarcasm around such important matter.Maybe I did bring some other elements into the topic,but that was out of the best intention,to actually try and contribute to the grand idea,not specifically the smaller idea that Tuco contributed with.I'm trying to fulfill the grand picture that I have,with elements that were provided in the topic.If we do what was told here,we could lean towards what I recommended.At least towards some of suggestions,if not all.

That's actually a good idea, I would add let's ban every hacker or cheater that harms/have harmed the server, permanently, without a chance of reconsideration.
I completely agree with this.Why even abolish the culprits who willingly hacked and cheated here?If someone was auto-banned due to some technical problems,and without an intention to benefit from the hack,they should be reconsidered.But,letting the old,known cheaters return is not good.I do not trust their getting mature.They will do it again,most likely.Once you hack to score better than the others without playing fair-and-square,you're banned forever.That would be my politics here.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Yash on April 12, 2019, 11:18:21 pm
I bet Tuco is pissed as he gets rekt during the war because of his tag xD
PS. It's a bad suggestion. -1
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Tuco on April 13, 2019, 10:00:02 am
I bet Tuco is pissed as he gets rekt during the war because of his tag xD
PS. It's a bad suggestion. -1

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Tuco on April 17, 2019, 08:55:45 pm
30 players now, no terrorist following duty.

This morning at least two presidents disconnected due to the boredom: even with about 18-20 players, nobody was trying, so they just /q.

Probably they went to another server, whose title attracted them, and they probably spent the rest of the day there, having fun, because the ppl on that server were actually following the gamemode.

So, Jonne, if you are wondering why the server player's adquisition is so narrow, you have some more facts.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Menace on April 17, 2019, 10:33:50 pm
30 players now, no terrorist following duty.

This morning at least two presidents disconnected due to the boredom: even with about 18-20 players, nobody was trying, so they just /q.

Probably they went to another server, whose title attracted them, and they probably spent the rest of the day there, having fun, because the ppl on that server were actually following the gamemode.

So, Jonne, if you are wondering why the server player's adquisition is so narrow, you have some more facts.
Jonne should create anothet server for clan wars, the same blue and red classes figthing each other on the same maps.
Then the clans will play on that server and leave the original server with 10 or less players playing the gm. (SINCE U WANT THAT)
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: EnGin on April 18, 2019, 05:10:07 am
We should do something with Civilian class. Half of the time, I see 5 civilians, 1 security and president.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Finisher on April 18, 2019, 09:42:45 am
Real talk here, had it not been for Role play servers SA:MP would have been long gone. When it comes to other game modes you’re just lucky to still have a player base with all the new games out there, you can’t fix this problem, Role play is the dominant game mode and there’s no alternative that’s why it’s still going

Two of SA:MPs first and greatest game modes to ever exist and not even Plan B can compare to them are currently dead because there’s an alternative games. Just be happy Plan B is still alive, don’t complain

Also, don’t pressure Jonne, he’s done the impossible for this community
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on April 18, 2019, 12:24:37 pm
Finisher,do you imply that roleplaying is essential to our server too?'Cuz I've been saying the same thing for some time.People should include more of it,and not just senseless shooting one group against the other.Plus we need to balance the numbers of players in each class even better.
As for me,I usually play as a defender and tend to avoid playing as a terrorist,so,that's why I use civilians at times.Who doesn't have a problem with playing certain classes should play as them,and not amass the number of civilians while there are only few cops/terrorists.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: YoMama on April 20, 2019, 10:47:19 am
As for me,I usually play as a defender...that's why I use civilians at times.Who doesn't have a problem with playing certain classes should play as them,and not amass the number of civilians while there are only few cops/terrorists.
There are three defending classes. The civilian class is not one of them. I agree with you that following the purpose/role of the class is important, but for the life of me, I can't figure out why you play as a "defender" civilian and consider that roleplay when the three defending classes exist and are much more effective for defense, while the role of civilians is undefined. It seems to me that if you really value roleplay, you should be playing as those defending classes and advocating limitations for the civilian class to encourage people to join the classes with defined roles-- correct me if I'm wrong.

I bet Tuco is pissed as he gets rekt during the war because of his tag xD
PS. It's a bad suggestion. -1
I hope you're being sarcastic. Your comment in the context of this topic is like a scene in which the adults are debating the ethics of warfare or something, and you're busy crapping your diaper in your high chair, trying to start a food fight.

A GgT complaining about clan wars. *Oh the irony*
What is the point of this comment? I've never understood why Tuco is in GgT, since he seems to exist outside of the clan, but that's beside the point. I have very little respect or patience for GgT or any of the clans at this point, but I do have a lot of respect for Tuco. He plays the GM more reliably than the great majority of the server, including you, from my experience. As of this post, you have played for 2511 hours, yet have only been President 22 times, out of which you survived twice. Even generously assuming that you survived for 14 minutes each time, you have played about 20 hours as President, or 0.8% of your time in the server.

A little snapshot of your kills/deaths looks like this:
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[Rawr]Quido(95.05H, 7.6A) Terrorist      Carg_BiB Police
Carg_BiB(100H, 0A) Police      BLACK_VADER Civilian
Carg_BiB(100H, 0A) Police      Gustavo_316 Terrorist
Carg_BiB(100H, 0A) Police      Tefogc Civilian
Carg_BiB(100H, 0A) Police      (GERMANO)BR Terrorist
Not killing any regulars... just police. Then there's also the fact that when I think of you playing the game, it's hard not to think of you as a civilian, either killing random players or hanging out with a President friend and other civilians, killing his security and anyone coming to attack.

Meanwhile, there's Tuco, who, assuming an average length of 7 minutes for his presidencies, has spent more than 25% of his time playing as President and has a snapshot like this:
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Tuco[GgT](95.05H, 100A) Security      karaka Terrorist
Tuco[GgT] President      
Tuco[GgT](100H, 100A) Security      [ThuG]ZORO Civilian
Tuco[GgT] Security      
[s2]notLions(100H, 100A) Terrorist      Tuco[GgT] Security
Fighting with regulars, different classes, just enjoying the gamemode. Playing as President isn't really compatible with the clan wars you mention, either.

I appreciate all you do for the server, Carg, and I know that as an admin, you can't focus as much on the gamemode. However, pretending that Tuco doesn't play the game just because he has a GgT tag, particularly coming from you, is something I don't appreciate.

...on the other hand, players like to do clan wars over playing the game mode. So this can also lead to loss of players.
I don't understand why there are still people who don't get this after the many years of me saying it: players who leave who don't play the gamemode aren't losses when it comes to real gameplay, because they aren't contributing to it. If there are 4 players actually playing the GM, it won't matter if the other 40 players leave or if they weren't there to begin with, unless they start playing the gamemode. However, the other 40 players will annoy the other 4 and drive them away, while meanwhile contributing absolutely nothing to convince new players who actually play the GM to stay here. The SA-MP market is saturated with TDM servers, but our little GM is pretty unique. It is by emphasizing and celebrating the GM that we will attract and retain new players. It's not just that  the gamemode is very fun when everyone is playing it-- without focusing on the GM, we're "just a TDM" with a somewhat toxic culture.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Carg on April 20, 2019, 12:38:01 pm
A GgT complaining about clan wars. *Oh the irony*
What is the point of this comment? I've never understood why Tuco is in GgT, since he seems to exist outside of the clan, but that's beside the point. I have very little respect or patience for GgT or any of the clans at this point, but I do have a lot of respect for Tuco. He plays the GM more reliably than the great majority of the server, including you, from my experience. As of this post, you have played for 2511 hours, yet have only been President 22 times, out of which you survived twice. Even generously assuming that you survived for 14 minutes each time, you have played about 20 hours as President, or 0.8% of your time in the server.

A little snapshot of your kills/deaths looks like this:
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[Rawr]Quido(95.05H, 7.6A) Terrorist      Carg_BiB Police
Carg_BiB(100H, 0A) Police      BLACK_VADER Civilian
Carg_BiB(100H, 0A) Police      Gustavo_316 Terrorist
Carg_BiB(100H, 0A) Police      Tefogc Civilian
Carg_BiB(100H, 0A) Police      (GERMANO)BR Terrorist
Not killing any regulars... just police. Then there's also the fact that when I think of you playing the game, it's hard not to think of you as a civilian, either killing random players or hanging out with a President friend and other civilians, killing his security and anyone coming to attack.

Meanwhile, there's Tuco, who, assuming an average length of 7 minutes for his presidencies, has spent more than 25% of his time playing as President and has a snapshot like this:
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Tuco[GgT](95.05H, 100A) Security      karaka Terrorist
Tuco[GgT] President      
Tuco[GgT](100H, 100A) Security      [ThuG]ZORO Civilian
Tuco[GgT] Security      
[s2]notLions(100H, 100A) Terrorist      Tuco[GgT] Security
Fighting with regulars, different classes, just enjoying the gamemode. Playing as President isn't really compatible with the clan wars you mention, either.

I appreciate all you do for the server, Carg, and I know that as an admin, you can't focus as much on the gamemode. However, pretending that Tuco doesn't play the game just because he has a GgT tag, particularly coming from you, is something I don't appreciate.
Ok first of all I do participate in those clan wars sometimes, because gamemode is really boring. Second get your math right. I have played 2511 hours from which 1256 hours I have spent on the civilian spawn afking or checking reports, I've spent hours every day for weeks checking regular hackers and trying to clear the server out of such so you don't have to deal with them. If you have ever seen me ingame, you would know that when I play the gamemode, I do kill everyone.

I don't like being president, since most of the times someone gets reported I'll have to check it and I can't do that while being president. But not just this, even before becoming admin I didn't like it being president, I always preferred to be police or security, sometimes terrorist. 90% of the times I choose to play the gamemode, I'm doing /sb to see hows the balance and choose the side with the least members in it.

From that snapshot of my kills/deaths you can clearly see I'm killing everyone close enough to the president, because I was protecting Mia while she was president in NSA map, we were in area 51 I lost my hydra and went inside. So just because I have only one regular in the snapshot you choose to post doesn't mean I'm not killing regulars, it means that there were only 2 regulars being terrorist and attacking the president while this was recorded. So I don't think you're being very objective about that.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: YoMama on April 20, 2019, 11:04:34 pm
...just because I have only one regular in the snapshot you choose to post doesn't mean I'm not killing regulars, it means that there were only 2 regulars being terrorist and attacking the president while this was recorded. So I don't think you're being very objective about that.
Using the snapshot was pretty reasonable for Tuco, because it looks like his normal gameplay. However, you're right, using the snapshot for you is somewhat unreasonable, but what you just wrote is fair game.

Ok first of all I do participate in those clan wars sometimes, because gamemode is really boring.
You're an admin... of a server with a Protect the President gamemode. Maybe the gamemode is boring because no one else is playing it? It wasn't boring when most of the server actually followed the gamemode. It's a positive feedback loop-- the more people ignore the gamemode, the less interesting the gamemode is, so less people play the gamemode.

People can ignore the gamemode because nothing enforces /duty. You only get perks for following your duty. If there were a limit on the number of people who could ignore the gamemode as civilians, and if /duty were enforced, there wouldn't be anyone making the gamemode boring for everyone else. This would break the aforementioned positive feedback loop. You are someone who has the capacity to fix this.

I don't like being president, since most of the times someone gets reported I'll have to check it and I can't do that while being president. But not just this, even before becoming admin I didn't like it being president, I always preferred to be police or security, sometimes terrorist.
That's fair.

Second get your math right. I have played 2511 hours from which 1256 hours I have spent on the civilian spawn afking or checking reports, I've spent hours every day for weeks checking regular hackers and trying to clear the server out of such so you don't have to deal with them. If you have ever seen me ingame, you would know that when I play the gamemode, I do kill everyone.
I don't know if you're trying very hard to refute my argument, but if you say that half the time is either AFK or report time, that doubles the percentage of time you've spent as President to only 1.6%. That was the best way I could come up with actual numbers-- if you want better stats, then we should have the amount of time spent playing each class and player stats for each class in the CP. That would actually emphasize the importance of the gamemode. Either way, the amount of time you've spent playing as President is a ridiculously small percentage of your total playing time, particularly considering that you need to have bit of experience playing as President to be good at the gamemode. I don't like playing as police or SWAT, but I know I've spent much more than around 0.8-1.6% of my time playing all the classes, regardless.

I understand that you're checking reports and dealing with rulebreakers, but the point is, I feel that you have no grounds to be questioning Tuco's dedication to the gamemode when I pretty much only see him playing the gamemode. Additionally, he's spent 25% of his time in the game (more or less) playing as the one class that defines the fucking gamemode. He's a nice person, follows the rules, and cares about this server and the gamemode. This topic shows that. Don't be a dick just because he happens to have a tag from what is possibly the most toxic clan in the server.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on April 21, 2019, 03:33:25 pm
This is a suggestion not a Discussion.
U gone from Remove Players nicknames to who is doing what

I like the idea but i dont like not being able to see cops and secs names as good guys and switched.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on April 22, 2019, 12:44:09 pm
There are three defending classes. The civilian class is not one of them. I agree with you that following the purpose/role of the class is important, but for the life of me, I can't figure out why you play as a "defender" civilian and consider that roleplay when the three defending classes exist and are much more effective for defense, while the role of civilians is undefined. It seems to me that if you really value roleplay, you should be playing as those defending classes and advocating limitations for the civilian class to encourage people to join the classes with defined roles-- correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes,I understand that the civilians can be pretty unpredictable unless they're known players,but...my reason for not playing as a "defender" is always unavailability to join them.The balance,so to say.Whenever I cannot join them,I go join the civilian class in order to help them.But,some do not appreciate that,and attack me without a reason,although I'm a known defender to whoever is a normal person on the server.I'd somehow make it punishable for those retards to attack civilians without a reason.If there were,like I said,two separate civilian classes (with neutral third),ones who would defend,and ones who would attack,and if their allies were not able to attack them,we'd stop the "statswhoring" problem,and making lame excuses for shooting civilians.
So,my only reason for being a civilian at times is my policy to avoid playing as a terrorist.You can judge it all you want,but I don't really want to play as a villain,unless someone really wants to piss me off or the balance is heavily tipped to one side.
By the way,where are you,YoMama?Haven't seen you play in a while...
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on May 09, 2019, 03:48:28 pm
+1 all klan war nibbas can go to some party server or some shit. Stop ruining muh GM.

Inb4 Klans k33p serber al1ve, yeah by running it down the ground and existing as the sole players because nobody from admins wants to promote the GM anymore.

Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Magic on May 13, 2019, 03:27:41 pm
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Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Carg on May 13, 2019, 06:39:38 pm
The things that this server need it  is to remove Armour camping (except for civillians), Klan Warz, Chainsaw and Sniper, play the gamemode which is called Protect the President and Forcing all class to do their /duty.
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The only way to solve Armour camping and Klan warz is
Removing Kills, Deaths and ratio from stats forever. i know it's weird "a TDM Server without Kills, Deaths and Ratio".
Or...
Another Solution is to count kills by:
Terrorist: If He/She kills the President or Securities near president not far away from president, same for Cop.

Cop: if He/She kills the Terrorist that trying to kill the President When He/She is near the President. Kills wont count if Terrorist and Cop is far from president and fighting each other.

Security: Same as Cop, If He/She kills the Terrorist that trying to kill the President When He/She is near the president.

Civillian: Kills won't count for Civillians (In My Opinion)

This is similar to the New score system and This would help.

For Armour camping:

In My Opinion Disallow Armour camping for all Classes except Civillians (Some Civillians like to get some fun there).

For Clan members should shoot their fellow members:

The only way to solve this is to make all Clan members in one class Not in opposing team.
We need to remove the gamemode? What?
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Konata Izumi on May 13, 2019, 07:54:49 pm
Clans Like RD , RZ , RAWR and DsE are the only clan who are not interested in this war instead they like Game modes whereas other clans are busy in wars and for Cops vs Terrorists...
Infact every clanless VIPs too are in this fuckin mess...
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Magic on May 13, 2019, 08:10:59 pm
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Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Carg on May 13, 2019, 08:18:23 pm
The things that this server need it  is to remove Armour camping (except for civillians), Klan Warz, Chainsaw and Sniper, play the gamemode which is called Protect the President and Forcing all class to do their /duty.

I don't understand.  Where is "remove the gamemode"...?
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on May 21, 2019, 12:51:11 pm
Civilians shouldn't be armor camping either.
Carg,you once said that you guys won't really enforce duty on terrorists,but I strongly disagree.They should be enforced too,otherwise,what?They can just go do cop vs terro or hunt newbies...that's a stupid thing to allow.
Plus,I think you admins should force terrorists to respawn once a president dies.I mean,what's the point of letting them equip themselves with armor and grenades,if there is no president for a certain period?They can simply bust in and wreck everyone.They should definitely respawn,like security.
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: DILMA_BR on May 22, 2019, 11:39:10 pm
UNBAN ALLS BANNEDS, NEW CHANCE FOR ALLS
Title: Re: A message to Jonne - What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Jonne on July 06, 2019, 02:43:18 pm
People not playing the gamemode is not something new in PTP, it has always existed. Back when I started playing, a lot of the regulars would be civ and would be camping at armour. Other times, they stopped being friends and fought each other at armour being cops and terros. Back then, there were a lot more players, so even with a lot of people not playing the gamemode, it would have a minimal impact on the game, as there will still enough people playing it. Now, there's a lot less players in general, so the impact of a couple of people not playing the gamemode is a lot bigger than it used to be, and the effect is a lot more noticeable.

We have taken measures to encourage people to play the gamemode, like changing the scoring system. I'm not really a fan of limiting or forcing people to play the gamemode, because I think that will drive people away from the server. Some people might say that's a good thing, why even have these people if they don't contribute anything to the gamemode:
Sure, maybe regulars who totally refuse to play the gamemode would leave. Who, out of the people who actually play, gives a shit? It won't matter to the gamemode. As it is, there might be 16 people in the server and maybe five are actually playing the GM while the rest are dueling or armor fighting. In terms of the gamemode, it doesn't matter if the remaining 11 leave. The same five people will still be playing.
And I completely understand that point. But you also have to consider the ability to attract players. Players are a lot more likely to join a server that has 16 players, than one that has 5 players. So, in the first case, it will be a lot easier to go to 20 people, and having 4 additional people. With only 5 players, we'll struggle to get to 10 players. So, I don't think it's a good idea to just take measures that will drive those people away, instead we should encourage them to play the gamemode.

As for the ideas, I don't think making terrorists lose health is a good idea. Sometimes, they just don't get to the president, or have other strategies that require them to go to another side of the map first. So, punishing them by making them lose health, will discourage some of the more creative strategies, and I think would negatively impact the gamemode.

Turning off the nametags is an interesting idea. I don't think we should make it like this by default, but we could give people the option to turn off their nametags (to avoid people hunting them, for example). For skins people can do that already (picking a default skin instead of a custom one).
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on July 11, 2019, 08:53:36 pm
Dunno this server is ded u still wanna continue with it?
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Jonne on July 12, 2019, 09:27:21 am
Dunno this server is ded u still wanna continue with it?

Yes, as long as there's people playing it, it's not dead.
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on July 16, 2019, 09:19:53 pm
Yes, as long as there's people playing it, it's not dead.
Das nice but then i wanna ask why im the only vip protecting the regular president like every 10 rounds?
Also your civilians are starting to gather why not remove the sniper rifle from civilians? They are a roam around class shouldnt they have only the regular weapons why they have sniperS?
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: [RZ]Citraxe on July 21, 2019, 05:44:24 pm
You guys have been whining again and again about civs having sniper and how that should be removed ? what i dont understand is why ? none of you have given a valid point ..

Keep in mind that Civilian class was ment to either attack / defend president or roam around, and its the weakest class (besides vice and pres), civilian class was given access to sniper to balance their "power" compared to other classes, remove the sniper and civilians would find themselves at a big disadvantage when they try to play the gamemode.

Now when you say that civs are armour camping or not playing the gamemode, look at the other classes you can find securities, cops, terros, even presis not playing the gamemode, and it has been so for a long time, it's what normal human beings call "Playing a game" and "having fun", everyone has their own version of fun, and you CAN'T ENFORCE WHAT YOU WANT ON OTHER PEOPLE ! it's time to grow up and realise that you're not the only one in this world, and not everyone wants what you want :)

Most of the people who are complaining about it either suck at sniper or just want to talk to get attention, Well BOUHOU ! you people screwed the server enough already. So stop whinning and start getting better at the game.
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on July 21, 2019, 07:05:14 pm
...

Cool story bro.


Clearly what you and your mates say adds up. Boohoo I just sucked at sniper against balanced weak civils here.
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Shawkhawk did nothing wrong! on July 21, 2019, 07:08:01 pm
Cool stories are ruining this server
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Faro0s on July 22, 2019, 03:35:41 pm
What the actual fu*k?

You guys are complaining of everything rather than enjoying the game by your ways. Dude, just go security and save the president, don't care about the rest. Yes, you are playing the gamemode and enjoying it now why do u want others to play it? Doesn't make logic, your whole complain is about "Why others do not play the gamemode". You shouldn't actually care about others as long as you are playing the gm. There are always at least 5-6 players playing the gm, half security and half terrorist, you can join either of the class. I did not understand your logic, why do u complain that others do not play the gm?

Second thing, I see some people complaining about civilians with sniper, first of all, sniper is granted to everyone so others can also counter attack using the sniper plus, civilian is the weakest class with all WW so giving them sniper will make them at least in others' level. Keep this aside, if u keep complaining of everything, then what is there to play ? I mean you are basically saying to remove the whole vip scenario from the game. You are trying to enforce your version of fun on everybody which is really stupid.

Whoever is against civilians using sniper idea means either that person can't use sniper or he is pretty retarded. My advice is go and watch some videos and learn something instead of whining here.

...

Cool story bro.


Clearly what you and your mates say adds up. Boohoo I just sucked at sniper against balanced weak civils here.

What are you trying to prove ? Remove sniper from civilians and disallow civilians gathering ? Because almost all the sniper hits were mine. Okay, I understand, the idea is very simple, have a security on your car and he can snip the other team back. If your security team can't do it then that doesn't mean we should remove the sniper.
Please lock the topic.
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: [RZ]Citraxe on July 22, 2019, 05:36:29 pm
What the actual fu*k?

You guys are complaining of everything rather than enjoying the game by your ways. Dude, just go security and save the president, don't care about the rest. Yes, you are playing the gamemode and enjoying it now why do u want others to play it? Doesn't make logic, your whole complain is about "Why others do not play the gamemode". You shouldn't actually care about others as long as you are playing the gm. There are always at least 5-6 players playing the gm, half security and half terrorist, you can join either of the class. I did not understand your logic, why do u complain that others do not play the gm?

Second thing, I see some people complaining about civilians with sniper, first of all, sniper is granted to everyone so others can also counter attack using the sniper plus, civilian is the weakest class with all WW so giving them sniper will make them at least in others' level. Keep this aside, if u keep complaining of everything, then what is there to play ? I mean you are basically saying to remove the whole vip scenario from the game. You are trying to enforce your version of fun on everybody which is really stupid.

Whoever is against civilians using sniper idea means either that person can't use sniper or he is pretty retarded. My advice is go and watch some videos and learn something instead of whining here.

...

Cool story bro.


Clearly what you and your mates say adds up. Boohoo I just sucked at sniper against balanced weak civils here.

What are you trying to prove ? Remove sniper from civilians and disallow civilians gathering ? Because almost all the sniper hits were mine. Okay, I understand, the idea is very simple, have a security on your car and he can snip the other team back. If your security team can't do it then that doesn't mean we should remove the sniper.
Please lock the topic.

Fares, this is the new generation of ptp i guess xD
They don't want to adjust to the game, they want the game to adjust to their preferences. They're not like us, for us in old ptp it was you either adjust to the game and learn how to play it or you just don't play it. I remember the first few months i played in ptp back in 2010 i was getting f*ed by everyone in the server, but you know what i did, i didn't complain, i played the game until i learned a few tricks.

SO WORD OF ADVICE to you kids (because you're acting like whiny kids) Stop f*ing complaining, and start learning and coping with the game, you've already screwed the server with your genius suggestions :)
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on July 22, 2019, 06:10:17 pm
Oh no monsieur, you have entirely debunked the topic by giving totally original arguments that I or others have never already countered in life.

SA is such a deep skill game, with skill I can counter chainsaws, snipers, helikills , etc. all at once!

@Jonne you lying piece of shit how can new people leave and server count go low BEFORE VIP NERF if problem don't exist?!!

You just mad your cousin gets rekt ingame. Remove Slot Balance system too! Numerical value is irrelevant! Make PTP great again! All hail Lacerta!

Tuco, YoMama, Megapilot,etc stop complaining you newfags. I am sorry for suggesting a suggestion I never suggested. We toxic people only have 50 minutes of playtime and hide behind numbers :-(

Sorry for having a noob security that can't shoot 5 different attacking units at once!
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Faro0s on July 22, 2019, 08:12:59 pm
Fares, this is the new generation of ptp i guess xD
They don't want to adjust to the game, they want the game to adjust to their preferences. They're not like us, for us in old ptp it was you either adjust to the game and learn how to play it or you just don't play it. I remember the first few months i played in ptp back in 2010 i was getting f*ed by everyone in the server, but you know what i did, i didn't complain, i played the game until i learned a few tricks.

SO WORD OF ADVICE to you kids (because you're acting like whiny kids) Stop f*ing complaining, and start learning and coping with the game, you've already screwed the server with your genius suggestions :)

I agree with this statement. You want the server to run based on your preferences not everyone's. It is very simple, as Lowrider said, learn how to play or simply don't play, you don't need to ruin the server for others just because u can't handle 2-3 guys attacking in a group.
There are many reasons why youtube exists and one of them is to learn.

Same thing goes with your previous suggestion on balancing the game, if people tend to stay civilis then president will survive with 2-3 securities because no one tends to attack. It is all based on your intentions. Either u want to kill the president or not. So, limiting the slots did not make much difference.

Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on July 23, 2019, 05:22:18 am
Cool story bro we are just circlejerking without countering or making any new points. These amazing points have never been debunked.

On a serious note, I don't think both you deserve a proper response. 90% sure why Lowrider revived this topic because I was complaining ingame about orange server. I only had 1 short post before.

I don't think giving you a response will lead to anything, probably more denial and dissonance.
You straight up ad walled actual proof, unironically saying 1 vs 10 sniper counter is possible. You can't even counter my sarcastic points and just throw in more ignorance.

So much for complaining about 'newfags' that have more than 500+ average hours of gametime and don't fix 10 people to enjoy gamemde. Yet somehow cancers like Aking who will hunt you for what /duty you did 6 days ago and not breaking rules for him are ok I guess.
 
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: [RZ]Citraxe on July 23, 2019, 06:56:07 am

SA is such a deep skill game, with skill I can counter chainsaws, snipers, helikills , etc. all at once!

@Jonne you lying piece of shit how can new people leave and server count go low BEFORE VIP NERF if problem don't exist?!!

You just mad your cousin gets rekt ingame. Remove Slot Balance system too! Numerical value is irrelevant! Make PTP great again! All hail Lacerta!

Tuco, YoMama, Megapilot,etc stop complaining you newfags. I am sorry for suggesting a suggestion I never suggested. We toxic people only have 50 minutes of playtime and hide behind numbers :-(

Sorry for having a noob security that can't shoot 5 different attacking units at once!

1-SA is a skill game, and if you say it's not then you're delusional :)
2-Have some respect, if it weren't for Jonne, the server wouldn't be alive right now :)
3-The Slot balanced system was a suggestion made by people like you whinning all day about making Ptp compatible with their preferences :)
4-Insulting Tuco, Yomama, MegaPilot is such a mature Behavior  ;) and this mature behavior of yours and people like you is the reason i stop checking Forum, because instead of trying to make the server suitable for all of us, people like you fked it up and made a lot of people leave it :)
5-Having noob secs isn't new, last year i was one of the most players who played presi, and i had shit security all the time, but you know what i did, i found ways to survive without securities. You know why ? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CONTROL HOW OTHER PEOPLE PLAY :)



On a serious note, I don't think both you deserve a proper response. 90% sure why Lowrider revived this topic because I was complaining ingame about orange server. I only had 1 short post before.

So much for complaining about 'newfags' that have more than 500+ average hours of gametime and don't fix 10 people to enjoy gamemde. Yet somehow cancers like Aking who will hunt you for what /duty you did 6 days ago and not breaking rules for him are ok I guess.
 
Now i revived this topic because im sick of seing the ptp server empty because of you hairless apes who really f*ed it up with your genius suggestions.
And for what you said about aking, i don't care what he does with his gameplay, all i know and everybody knows it is that Me and my clan and several other clans and regulars here do play the gamemode, and when we want a change of scenery we have fun in our own ways. So if you are getting f*ed by Aking, then good for you, atleast this way you will get better at the game. :)
Peace out  ;D
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on July 23, 2019, 07:31:26 am
Lmao point proven you don't read shit and adding anything to this argument with you two would lead to anything useful.

100% sure you know what sarcasm is, you obviously can't counter it. Because you know it won't turn your way. You even hilariously red herring through every response made. Totally understanding last remark about 1 vs 10 but taking every other response seriously or ignoring.

For your second response, I will make slight effort to be straight with you to show how flawed and wannabe your approach truly is. Show me ONE suggestion where I suggested that? As per I recall the latest suggestion was AGAINST that.

Moral of the story: Breaking the rules and being hypocrite toxic is ok for changing of scenery. GG

 I wonder how long will it take to accuse me of some higher degree of stuff I never did. All cuz you grownass adults with more years than me can't face the hard fact when it happened 2 months ago before the VIP nerf.

Oh wait you guys can't read beyond paragraph 3 unless its made by some alliance clanmate or friend.
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Faro0s on July 23, 2019, 02:29:12 pm
Lohit, you seriously don't make sense here, what is your point ? As far as I understood, it is the removal of sniper, right? Or something related to civilians using sniper with the video you provided, right ? You write a big article and at the end none understands your point perfectly, what's the use? Seriously, it is annoying to read a big article, try to summarize your points.

But let's face it, your stupid suggestions really fuc*ed the server up, or the suggestions you support along with others who think like you. This one  (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=5331.0)for example. It shows that you want to adjust the server according to your preferences. So your whole argument is based on something you yourself want, not everybody and you post sarcastic replies.. doesn't make sense.

Let's see, sniper and chainsaw have been granted to everybody, classes' free slot have been adjusted with respect to the balance of the game what else is there to fix? We can't remove sniper or limit the bullets since it is available for everyone, logic. So I don't understand your whole point of argument with that video you posted. You are basically ruining the server where we all know it won't fix anything, people will play the gm only if they want to, not because of the updates..


 I wonder how long will it take to accuse me of some higher degree of stuff I never did. All cuz you grownass adults with more years than me can't face the hard fact when it happened 2 months ago before the VIP nerf.

Whaaat?
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on July 23, 2019, 04:47:14 pm
What a beautiful Duwang. Here I will use mostly only use quotes for this ,so you atleast can't ignore your own points being non-existent without looking stupid.

Quote from:  fares
It is the removal of sniper, right? (Bla Bla talk about me killing the playerbase with essay.exe)

Quote from:  Me 1 post earlier with shorter paragraphs than either two
Show me ONE suggestion where I suggested that? As per I recall the latest suggestion was AGAINST that.

Quote from:  fares (on the same post he is SUDDENLY confused about lmaoo)
I kinda agree after a bit of thinking about what you said.Pickups for sniper bullets sounds cool and yeah as you said, probably it will work.

Quote from:  fares
Seriously, it is annoying to read a big article, try to summarize your points
[ ??? ]
(https://i.ibb.co/HqP12S7/summary-1.png)

Quote from:  fares
It shows that you want to adjust the server according to your preferences.

Last time I checked this is a forum for suggestions and you defended the clan chat suggestion, which is as narcissistic one can get. 

My bad bro! I forgot me, Tuco , YoMama , Judah , HnZ88 , People who can't speak on forums, and the shitload of players that quit due to this problem 3-5 months ago are one and the same person.


Quote from:  fares
sniper and chainsaw have been granted to everybody, classes' free slot have been adjusted with respect to the balance of the game what else is there to fix?

Oh gee I wonder why presidents can't even survive 1 minute of their run when Civilian Sniper Convoys are active.

Unrestricted Orange Slots + Unrestricted Sniper = RIP Gamemode.


Quote from:  fares
So I don't understand your whole point of argument with that video you posted.

I don't expect you to, you just blatantly implied jonne lying and me being responsible for a suggestion I never suggested that worked while I was inactive. GG

I like how I singlehandedly destroyed entire PlanB while doing absolutely nothing prior while also being inactive lmao.

Quote from:  Shameless Accusation
Only you and your kind's suggestions ruined this ENTIRE server, Everything was good BEFORE!!!

Quote from:  Actual facts with witnesses
Le me being inactive + on/off from server cuz family member died and student deadlines. Inactive from January to June till this post https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=5332.0 (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=5332.0)

Quote from:  jonne during april (aka 2-3 months before)
The last couple of months (december-april), we also noticed that the server was often empty or had a low playercount.[/color]

Quote from:  jonne from same post
One of the biggest complaints we saw when people were leaving the server, was that this server was unfair, "pay-to-win", etc and that's somewhat understandable

Quote from:  fares
Whaaat?

Like I said...


Cool Story bro!



Let's see if anything beyond this makes me win this Bingo!

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Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Faro0s on July 24, 2019, 12:08:47 am
I agreed on limiting the bullets but i take that back because I realized it is pretty stupid to do that. But I never said to remove the whole sniper. Also, I voted none the day the poll was added but I didn't reply nor edited my previous reply.

And about the summary thing, ok i see that you posted a summary too, then why the whole explanation ? People will just read the summary, none will both to read the whole article. What sense does that make?

I defended the clan chat suggestion because it is has nothing to do with the gm and it is something that people will obviously benefited for one who is in a clan actually. Unlike you, i didn't post big articles nor stupid arguments because if one chooses not to understand the point then it is useless to argue with.

You being active or not doesn't matter because you are online in the forum 24/7.

So, what do you think ? Still want to remove sniper?
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: LuCa on July 24, 2019, 04:39:04 am
Add a Respawn timer for CIV class just for the lolz to annoy them like 1 min :D
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on July 24, 2019, 06:42:55 am
Whoop Whoop
(https://i.ibb.co/xYz4vLW/check1.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

Quote from:  fares
It is the removal of sniper, right?

Quote from:  Me 1 post earlier with shorter paragraphs than either two people
Show me ONE suggestion where I suggested that? As per I recall the latest suggestion was AGAINST that.

>Le Fares: Yes,I understand the post was about limiting sniper as pickups.

> Also Fares: NO,THE POST = REMOVING SNIPER ENTIRELY. I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALALA

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then why the whole explanation ? People will just read the summary, none will both to read the whole article.

[ ??? ]

(https://i.ibb.co/mhG5LFW/warning.png)

>Le Fares: Making 3 complaining posts about removing Saw, where there is nothing suggested like it lmao.

Quote
Unlike you, i didn't post big articles nor stupid arguments because if one chooses not to understand the point then it is useless to argue with.

(https://i.ibb.co/nfw7JSs/checkspecial3.png)

Cool story bro!

Lol K, Respond to these points you have been ignoring this whole debate and murks your entire stance.

Quote
The last couple of months (december-april), we also noticed that the server was often empty or had a low playercount.

One of the biggest complaints we saw when people were leaving the server, was that this server was unfair, "pay-to-win", etc and that's somewhat understandable

Quote from:  LOHIT_THE_PTPKILLER!!
Show me ONE post where I suggested anything like that

Quote from:  fares
hurr durr talk about me being active on forum 24/7 even tho I wasn't back then

Lmao, my family member died lol. Fucking basic logic, If I was, the 4 month gap of forum posts from January to May would've not existed.

Let's see if I can get the 2 Hidden Bingo strikes!
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Faro0s on July 24, 2019, 12:27:05 pm
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Cool story bro.


Clearly what you and your mates say adds up. Boohoo I just sucked at sniper against balanced weak civils here.

This video of yours say everything
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on July 24, 2019, 04:24:36 pm
Civilian class is for freeroaming, ur choice to kill presi or not, if you wanna kill him go use terorist class, never saw it full.

Its not like your "old ptp" where there were 100 players and nobody cared if the game is fair or not cuz players kept comming. Nowadays you see max 30 players in ptp and only for like 1-2 rounds.
Even in Interiors people use mainly sniper.

Lohits video explains everything anyways.

Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: [RZ]Citraxe on July 24, 2019, 05:39:46 pm
...

Cool story bro.


Clearly what you and your mates say adds up. Boohoo I just sucked at sniper against balanced weak civils here.

This video of yours say everything

Thx fares, i actualy didnt see this vid because my chrome was bugged.
So lets review this vid.

1- The first 20 secs where it showed you (with 2 other terros) against 3 civs. If it were me and 2 other terro (2 other members of my clan for example) we would kick the shit out of the civs, you know why ? Because fking terro class is stronger then civ class, you decided to run instead of taking 3 terros vs 3 civs which is normaly in your advantage, but i guess you just suck at the game.

2-the second scene where the presi is driving and you're a security, well what can i say, the presi just sucks ass, and driving to the armour in that direction is suicide. if you were a better player / or if the presi was you would know that going to armour is suicide, instead take the tunnel to the left and go get rustler and go to mountain chilliad. but hey you have to get better at the gama to survive.

3-3rd scene when you're presi in LS, well there was only 1 sec and you went presi, what do you want me to say, that you wanted to die ? sure it was suicide :)

LESSON OF THE DAY :

---Get Better at the fricking game, learn how to stunt, learn the spots where to go when you're presi And stop fking whinning. it's just like in real life, you don't make life suit you, you adjust and adapt to it :)
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on July 26, 2019, 11:47:00 am
Huh? Were you saying something? My bad..

A.)I was too busy glancing over this. I forgot this can also be interpreted as: Let's waste our time on these 2-3 civs and lose our Terrorist Points. My bad bro.

Quote
(https://i.ibb.co/NF2sDxn/Le1.png) (https://ibb.co/GdQ0Y73)


B.)Ye sure your chrome is still not bugged?

Last time I checked, The president was climbing up the hill. I am sure your brilliant strategy would worked under 1 minute especially with newbie president + civilian unit location too far to predict.

C.)


Roses are Red,
Violets are Blue,
Cooler Stories have been read,
but I accept your concession too.

As for the "u complain cuz u suk" I can easily debunk it by just showing what people from this month say on the topic. Data from just 1 week and those who can communicate in english ofcourse.

But since this debate is more closer to a parody than a proper one, I will wait until more people use the same logik.






Oh yeahhh Secret Combo + 1 Strike. So far so good, let's see how good this bingo goes! This combo almost got near the Hidden Bingo 1 but I can always hope.

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Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Alcor on July 27, 2019, 07:47:16 am
the saddest decision which ruined my childhood game is the lag compensation feature by the SA-MP team, things went downhill from there.

Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: YoMama on August 13, 2019, 12:05:50 pm
the saddest decision which ruined my childhood game is the lag compensation feature by the SA-MP team, things went downhill from there.
Don't blame the SA-MP team, blame Tenshi for realizing that it made weapons that he liked OP and enabling it for the benefit of himself and other VIPs. Blame all the VIPs who didn't give a shit about balance when that happened and quietly solidified their advantages.

A few of us have been fighting the consequences of lagcomp ever since it was enabled, and not once has any real fix even been tried. "VIPs paid for it", "X weapon, which is now incredibly OP with lagcomp, has been part of the game since the beginning", "lagcomp is an upgrade, why would you downgrade?" and other horseshit coming out of the asshole-like mouths of many of our VIPs certainly didn't help. I don't mean to sound like I've got a martyr complex here, particularly because I wouldn't even fit the type-- that would imply that change has actually happened.

Instead of acknowledging how fucked up the server is, many of you fuckers have thrown any hints of change into the same longdrop into which you shat out what little respect you had for fairness and competition. Like a little cherry on top of pile of shit that you putzes have created and regularly roll around in, it seems the new shit being slung is that those of us who care about fairness and good competitive fun are trying to change the server for our own benefit. Meanwhile, many of the people fighting to keep the status quo are members of our fantastically toxic clans, which are the antithesis of fairness-- need I say more?

I wouldn't be sad about the decline of our player count if the toxic players were leaving, but I think most of us realize that it's the new players who are not staying. At this point, I don't blame them-- what do we have to offer? Empowered swinging dicks who use them as live target practice? Other servers have ripped off the core concepts of our gamemode but left out the toxicity. Would you play at this server if you were new, had no friends in the server, and couldn't buy VIP? I think most would find a fairer place to play.

Wake up. You dipshits are smothering what used to be one of the greatest servers of SA-MP with your own bullshit while you stand atop the steaming pile, huffing the fumes as if they were roses-- if you want this server to last, you're going to have to clean up the pile so new players don't vomit their way to another server.
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on October 24, 2019, 08:37:00 pm
Don't blame the SA-MP team, blame Tenshi for realizing that it made weapons that he liked OP and enabling it for the benefit of himself and other VIPs. Blame all the VIPs who didn't give a shit about balance when that happened and quietly solidified their advantages.
A few of us have been fighting the consequences of lagcomp ever since it was enabled, and not once has any real fix even been tried. "VIPs paid for it", "X weapon, which is now incredibly OP with lagcomp, has been part of the game since the beginning", "lagcomp is an upgrade, why would you downgrade?" and other horseshit coming out of the asshole-like mouths of many of our VIPs certainly didn't help. I don't mean to sound like I've got a martyr complex here, particularly because I wouldn't even fit the type-- that would imply that change has actually happened.
Instead of acknowledging how fucked up the server is, many of you fuckers have thrown any hints of change into the same longdrop into which you shat out what little respect you had for fairness and competition. Like a little cherry on top of pile of shit that you putzes have created and regularly roll around in, it seems the new shit being slung is that those of us who care about fairness and good competitive fun are trying to change the server for our own benefit. Meanwhile, many of the people fighting to keep the status quo are members of our fantastically toxic clans, which are the antithesis of fairness-- need I say more?
I wouldn't be sad about the decline of our player count if the toxic players were leaving, but I think most of us realize that it's the new players who are not staying. At this point, I don't blame them-- what do we have to offer? Empowered swinging dicks who use them as live target practice? Other servers have ripped off the core concepts of our gamemode but left out the toxicity. Would you play at this server if you were new, had no friends in the server, and couldn't buy VIP? I think most would find a fairer place to play.
Wake up. You dipshits are smothering what used to be one of the greatest servers of SA-MP with your own bullshit while you stand atop the steaming pile, huffing the fumes as if they were roses-- if you want this server to last, you're going to have to clean up the pile so new players don't vomit their way to another server.
You said it all,my man,I hope everyone will get it,but I fear it is too late,now.
People don't care about fairness and competition,bugs are being unsolved,suggestions neglected,mods not hired,nothing new is going on.
People like abusing newbies,and they keep leaving,while certain shitheads stay and keep on doing what they've been doing for years.
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: SoLoD on November 16, 2019, 05:40:55 pm
You know, a smart man, after reading what Yomama posted, knowing how calm he is and everything else, should make a conclusion about it. Mental state of this community. Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. Same words, same posts, same threads. Without any progress for 8 years. It was retarded 6 years ago. It was presumptuously retarted 3 years ago. But now it is just, what, flatline?
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Deadman on November 17, 2019, 01:33:02 pm
You know, a smart man, after reading what Yomama posted, knowing how calm he is and everything else, should make a conclusion about it. Mental state of this community. Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. Same words, same posts, same threads. Without any progress for 8 years. It was retarded 6 years ago. It was presumptuously retarted 3 years ago. But now it is just, what, flatline?
Woaaaaaaah woooooooah this forum missed you a lot dude. Glad to hear you back here.
Now forum gonna get toxicated 8)
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: Singh on December 05, 2019, 10:23:34 am
+1 Really a great idea.
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: kiLLaZ on December 05, 2019, 12:14:48 pm
No champ
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: 𝕾𝖎𝖓𝕯𝖆𝖈𝖈𝖔 on May 28, 2020, 08:49:23 am
+1
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: JustJordan on May 28, 2020, 04:45:03 pm
And thats excatly why i made The Communist Party Of PTP .
Join it Comrade !
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: The iBen on May 29, 2020, 10:50:57 am
And thats excatly why i made The Communist Party Of PTP .
Join it Comrade !


no thank you, this suggestion was democratic as people was allowed to voice their opinions and was able to freely having a say.
Title: Re: [To be added]What's ruining the server and some ideas on how to solve it
Post by: UD@YU on June 14, 2020, 07:13:08 pm
He actually has made a valid point here.
Even I join the server occasionally to see most of the players in civilian class, fighting each other outside the protection zone or mostly in duels. So the game is kind of unbalanced because there might me 3 securities and 1 terrorist while the rest are civilians basically shooting at each other. The best thing I can see is setting a limit on the number of duels a player can have or limit the civilians.