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General => Suggestions => Closed => Topic started by: AhMeD on June 10, 2019, 01:48:12 am

Title: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: AhMeD on June 10, 2019, 01:48:12 am
Ok?? vote pls.

Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Darwin/Retired on June 10, 2019, 02:25:16 am
-1 the damage systsm for saw is perfect. No more abusive lags and its fair for everyone. Thos with high pings wont be able to abuse others.
Get with the programme

-1 -1 -1
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: KarBon on June 10, 2019, 02:37:46 am
Wtf AhMeD you were hating on the saw skinhit system, why would u want it back
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Zeta on June 10, 2019, 07:04:03 am
+1
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: SaiFi on June 10, 2019, 09:10:38 am
+1 for ahmed crying saw skin hit back
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Konata Izumi on June 10, 2019, 09:18:37 am
-1 the damage systsm for saw is perfect. No more abusive lags and its fair for everyone. Thos with high pings wont be able to abuse others.
Get with the programme

-1 -1 -1
Yes it's very fair that I can't kill Nemesis too while he was standing
Bring Skinhit by saw Back!!!!
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on June 10, 2019, 09:36:23 am
Who in the fork are voting Yes?

Goddamn -1.

Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Zeta on June 10, 2019, 10:05:06 am
+1

Aren’t you fucking banned?
I will unban soon,and u will see ur fucking name on my youtube channle asshole
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Rage on June 10, 2019, 10:13:24 am
Ahmed son you are a fucking mistake. -1
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Kelik on June 10, 2019, 10:20:01 am
Yes

Kinda miss it already when Alaster crying when he can't skinhit me with it on duels lol

EDIT : I think Jonne revert the saw damage system but not other weapons cuz I think newbies and regular PTP players is kinda disadvantage to saw skinhit system even if saw is free now. I think that this saw skinhit system might be the reason why some newbies left the server because some of us have advantage over them like we have more FPS than them, they're FPS abusers too but I don't think that what you called 'abusers' aren't real at all. Maybe they're already pro and got used to it when they have low resolutions.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Tochy on June 10, 2019, 12:22:27 pm
AnUs, no
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: LuCa on June 10, 2019, 12:36:54 pm
No Rat.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: KarBon on June 10, 2019, 01:14:53 pm
Why did you delete our most voted option :(


+1

Aren’t you fucking banned?
I will unban soon,and u will see ur fucking name on my youtube channle asshole
WATCH OUT FINI BOY, he warned you, dont tell him you didn't know!!
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Alexanderr on June 10, 2019, 09:33:05 pm
Hell No the saw skin is good right 
-1
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Jack_Bhai on June 10, 2019, 10:36:09 pm
Hell No the saw skin is good right 
-1
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Faro0s on June 11, 2019, 08:08:10 pm
Hell No the saw skin is good right 
-1

He meant to bring the saw skin back, read carefully.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Spici_Popot on June 11, 2019, 08:16:31 pm
Hell No the saw skin is good right 
-1

He meant to bring the saw skin back, read carefully.

Bhes ke andhe
Andhadhun ke nange
 He meant saw skin hit , close your eyes and think before you post or get lost
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Faro0s on June 12, 2019, 04:10:58 am
Hell No the saw skin is good right 
-1

He meant to bring the saw skin back, read carefully.

Bhes ke andhe
Andhadhun ke nange
 He meant saw skin hit , close your eyes and think before you post or get lost

You are worse than him lol
So he voted NO, gave a -1 but he he said saw skin hit is good. So isn’t the whole poll is about bring the skin hit chainsaw back ? Read carefully and think 10 times before you post.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: LuCa on June 12, 2019, 11:52:31 am
Saw Skin hit was a Buggy Mess why would anyone want it back ? People where getting killed randomly the saw didn’t even touch them so No. Ahmed even complained about it ,,and now he wants it back cuz ? he can’t adapt to the new one. Cry son CRY
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: cobby on June 12, 2019, 03:13:18 pm
+1 as no one takes dmg of saw now from me!
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on June 12, 2019, 04:21:52 pm
Yeah there are server lags which cause no damage sometimes. But you are supposed to adjust according to lag. That's how people did it before.

Get skills plz. What next /votekill?
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Kelik on June 12, 2019, 04:31:23 pm
Since others want the saw skinhit back to the server and others don't wanted to. I had a suggestion.

Maybe Jonne can add the saw skinhit to the server again but with reduced damage like instead having 100% of damage when sawing somebody, the victim will only have 30-50% of damage to it. So the GM will be balanced now. It depends on you guys if what number of percentage of damage will be installed on the saw.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Konata Izumi on June 12, 2019, 09:46:46 pm
Jonne Just add skin hit of saw you godamnit
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Faro0s on June 12, 2019, 10:04:58 pm
Since others want the saw skinhit back to the server and others don't wanted to. I had a suggestion.

Maybe Jonne can add the saw skinhit to the server again but with reduced damage like instead having 100% of damage when sawing somebody, the victim will only have 30-50% of damage to it. So the GM will be balanced now. It depends on you guys if what number of percentage of damage will be installed on the saw.

Really? Now you want to play the damage percentage? It is bad in my opinion.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: nisou on June 12, 2019, 10:59:37 pm
+1
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Tochy on June 12, 2019, 11:06:01 pm
-1
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: [ThuG].Tonny on June 13, 2019, 03:06:33 am
+1
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Maddy on June 13, 2019, 05:06:46 am
+1
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on June 13, 2019, 07:22:26 am
Ok so let me get this straight. You guys are tired of the buggy system where you can't hit with saw. (Even though the case was similar before the update) so you want an even buggier system that even with a sanity check is making people kill over ridiculous distances without even touching them and is completely unpredictable.

Skinhit by Saw was NEVER a normal thing, Saw just became more accessible to the point that you don't even need skill to hit players with. People are pretending skinhit by saw should be normal because they got their ass rekt in original system.

Why is it hard to predict and adjust? People did it before, this is just a cheapshit way.

Skinhit saw its fucking horrible. Saw exists outside /duel shits, it makes it worse for the president class.

By this logic let's enable /dance animation bug because I don't have crashes.asi to collision bug no more.



Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Chetan on June 13, 2019, 07:40:02 am
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Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: ThuG_D_SiCk on June 13, 2019, 01:55:58 pm
Please we back chainsaw skin hiit please some.lagers like pain in ass like fares and alaster
..
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Konata Izumi on June 13, 2019, 03:52:12 pm
Please we back chainsaw skin hiit please some.lagers like pain in ass like fares and alaster
..
Why including me :C
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: AhMeD on June 13, 2019, 04:17:27 pm
Thanks everyone for voting and I hope Jonne applies the voting of the majority.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Chetan on June 13, 2019, 04:21:11 pm
47.9% is not majority, Thanks
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: AhMeD on June 13, 2019, 05:07:15 pm
K
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on June 13, 2019, 05:56:07 pm
Majority has been denied many times and it's 50-50 why the hell are you rushing a poll, you don't even have a reason and were complaining about earlier when you were the victim. Interesting how Sick_Killer's opinion magically changed too.

I prefer negligible compromises than something absurd. My opinion is a bit changed however upon crosschecking.

I won't mind new system, only if the damage is made more sane to deal with. Damage reduction isn't bad idea and would help, until a better solution comes along (rangecheck but highly unlikely). But obviously people won't like it. The Yes poll doesn't cover that.

Yeah sure  we were able to hit the damn laggers, President stands better chance against Tec9 in the fookin desert, Sawn Offs getting less OP. But gameplay should be equivalently fair. Micro SMG vs Chainsaw got reversed instead.

I just want a more sane solution to this, I like the new damage system a lot. The increased absurdities I don't.





Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Konata Izumi on June 14, 2019, 06:58:42 am
Voting completed Yes vote wins now jonne bring back old skin hit :3
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Carg on June 14, 2019, 07:09:58 am
Voting completed Yes vote wins now jonne bring back old skin hit :3
It doesn't win lol, it gotta be at least 60% of the votes
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: StuLenS on June 14, 2019, 08:14:06 am
Voting completed Yes vote wins now jonne bring back old skin hit :3
It doesn't win lol, it gotta be at least 60% of the votes

But 47.9% > 45.8%
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on June 14, 2019, 08:44:04 am
Voting completed Yes vote wins now jonne bring back old skin hit :3
It doesn't win lol, it gotta be at least 60% of the votes

But 47.9% > 45.8%

Skinhit being old??

Anyways,

*23>22. Decimals are useless here and 1 person ain't shit.

Also the major voted option of " ahmed Rat" got deleted (15+ votes), if you count those votes for No. Then Yes gets shitstomped.

(22+15 =) 37 > 23. That exceeds 60% even by excluding the IDC people.

So it's either stalemate or No being majority.

Jonne will still monthly check this anyway. Don't rush polls.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: ThuG_D_SiCk on June 14, 2019, 10:08:07 am
FCK of kido the chainsaw skin hit should be back or the laggers will never die with chainsaw
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on June 14, 2019, 10:46:56 am
FCK of kido the chainsaw skin hit should be back or the laggers will never die with chainsaw

Yeah ok, get unbanned for aimbotting first Mr.Pro.

The other majority disagrees with you anyways.

PTP doesn't revolve around your laggers and duels. Laggers can still be possible hit with chainsaw by old system, either you are ignorant, new or both. Go watch some old chainsaw videos. Chainsaw is buggy weapon, you can't hit with chainsaw go use other weapons like any normal person.

New saw system with no nerf can be worse than laggers, you don't even see them freeze and dmg you.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: AhMeD on June 14, 2019, 04:25:46 pm
Watch how the saw is not giving any damage against a lagger:

Watch how it is useless against a low fps:

All players who are against saw skin hit just want the saw unfixed. They are not complaining about anything else than getting killed by saw. They just want it unfixed like that so they avoid getting killed.

The saw was working perfectly at first, the one who has higher skills wins, and if someone tried to force lag or abuse fps he will die faster, It was fair because it was just about skills and not about lags/fps like how it is now, but since a lot of players are not that skilled in saw and some of them weren't getting killed by saw because of their lags/low fps, they started complaining when it was fixed, and the saw skin hit was removed based on it, and now it is totally unfixed, so I hope it gets fixed back, just like how it was.

I was fighting someone and when I was holding him with saw, he just typed /fpslimit 20 and his health started decreasing very slow till someone came and saved him, all laggers and fps abusers are not getting killed by saw, this is why they don't want it to be fixed back, so I hope it gets fixed back to prevent anyone from abusing fps or forcing lag just to avoid getting killed by saw.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Menace on June 14, 2019, 06:12:49 pm
-1
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Jack_Bhai on June 14, 2019, 07:53:28 pm
-1
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Konata Izumi on June 14, 2019, 09:40:16 pm
Watch how the saw is not giving any damage against a lagger:

Watch how it is useless against a low fps:

All players who are against saw skin hit just want the saw unfixed. They are not complaining about anything else than getting killed by saw. They just want it unfixed like that so they avoid getting killed.

The saw was working perfectly at first, the one who has higher skills wins, and if someone tried to force lag or abuse fps he will die faster, It was fair because it was just about skills and not about lags/fps like how it is now, but since a lot of players are not that skilled in saw and some of them weren't getting killed by saw because of their lags/low fps, they started complaining when it was fixed, and the saw skin hit was removed based on it, and now it is totally unfixed, so I hope it gets fixed back, just like how it was.

I was fighting someone and when I was holding him with saw, he just typed /fpslimit 20 and his health started decreasing very slow till someone came and saved him, all laggers and fps abusers are not getting killed by saw, this is why they don't want it to be fixed back, so I hope it gets fixed back to prevent anyone from abusing fps or forcing lag just to avoid getting killed by saw.
Agree with him
-1
-1
I still know that Safi killed me by saw due to lags
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Menace on June 15, 2019, 12:09:55 am
-1
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Faro0s on June 15, 2019, 03:03:36 am
Watch how the saw is not giving any damage against a lagger:

Watch how it is useless against a low fps:

All players who are against saw skin hit just want the saw unfixed. They are not complaining about anything else than getting killed by saw. They just want it unfixed like that so they avoid getting killed.

The saw was working perfectly at first, the one who has higher skills wins, and if someone tried to force lag or abuse fps he will die faster, It was fair because it was just about skills and not about lags/fps like how it is now, but since a lot of players are not that skilled in saw and some of them weren't getting killed by saw because of their lags/low fps, they started complaining when it was fixed, and the saw skin hit was removed based on it, and now it is totally unfixed, so I hope it gets fixed back, just like how it was.

I was fighting someone and when I was holding him with saw, he just typed /fpslimit 20 and his health started decreasing very slow till someone came and saved him, all laggers and fps abusers are not getting killed by saw, this is why they don't want it to be fixed back, so I hope it gets fixed back to prevent anyone from abusing fps or forcing lag just to avoid getting killed by saw.

In the first video, it is clear that you suck at chainsaw fights no offense but you really suck. As far as I see, you don’t apply any sort of tactic, you simply keep skin chainsawing him but it doesn’t work like that. You need to hit him from front in order to trap him with your chainsaw because your first hit will stun him and you should take advantage of that moment to trap him. So, unable to kill him is your mistake that you can’t really use chainsaw.
The fact that you couldn’t kill him in bike is because of lag and that doesn’t make it any different if skin hit chainsaw is applied, infact, it makes it worse. How? Let me tell you, you will be able to kill people from distance, i mean what logic explains that? It makes it easier for you but you should consider the fact that it brings a lot of bugs with it if it is applied. Lag plays a big role here as well, back when it was working in skin hit form, i killed a person with chainsaw when he was not even hit in my screen, he was TPing all the time and i kept chainsawing god knows where until all of a sudden i got the kill, lol.
So, to be clear, applying skin hit chainsaw will bring,
• Several bugs
• Makes it worse if you consider lag
• Allows you to kill people from distance

Therefore, I request to not apply it.
Thanks.


-Fares
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Konata Izumi on June 15, 2019, 12:04:54 pm
Watch how the saw is not giving any damage against a lagger:

Watch how it is useless against a low fps:

All players who are against saw skin hit just want the saw unfixed. They are not complaining about anything else than getting killed by saw. They just want it unfixed like that so they avoid getting killed.

The saw was working perfectly at first, the one who has higher skills wins, and if someone tried to force lag or abuse fps he will die faster, It was fair because it was just about skills and not about lags/fps like how it is now, but since a lot of players are not that skilled in saw and some of them weren't getting killed by saw because of their lags/low fps, they started complaining when it was fixed, and the saw skin hit was removed based on it, and now it is totally unfixed, so I hope it gets fixed back, just like how it was.

I was fighting someone and when I was holding him with saw, he just typed /fpslimit 20 and his health started decreasing very slow till someone came and saved him, all laggers and fps abusers are not getting killed by saw, this is why they don't want it to be fixed back, so I hope it gets fixed back to prevent anyone from abusing fps or forcing lag just to avoid getting killed by saw.

In the first video, it is clear that you suck at chainsaw fights no offense but you really suck. As far as I see, you don’t apply any sort of tactic, you simply keep skin chainsawing him but it doesn’t work like that. You need to hit him from front in order to trap him with your chainsaw because your first hit will stun him and you should take advantage of that moment to trap him. So, unable to kill him is your mistake that you can’t really use chainsaw.
The fact that you couldn’t kill him in bike is because of lag and that doesn’t make it any different if skin hit chainsaw is applied, infact, it makes it worse. How? Let me tell you, you will be able to kill people from distance, i mean what logic explains that? It makes it easier for you but you should consider the fact that it brings a lot of bugs with it if it is applied. Lag plays a big role here as well, back when it was working in skin hit form, i killed a person with chainsaw when he was not even hit in my screen, he was TPing all the time and i kept chainsawing god knows where until all of a sudden i got the kill, lol.
So, to be clear, applying skin hit chainsaw will bring,
• Several bugs
• Makes it worse if you consider lag
• Allows you to kill people from distance

Therefore, I request to not apply it.
Thanks.


-Fares
Cobby is bigger lagger than you then also he is demanding for skin hit and about your suggestion of not adding it I know why because if it was added then you guys who call themselves Professional in saw lags who can't get killed will get killed by skin hit aren't you I have a good pc but I have samp add-on most people who have windows 10 must use samp add-on in this your fpslimit disabled means you can't set framelimts fortunately I enabled that so people set their FPS to 20 or 30 can kill everyone example Fares . You can also see the 1st video Ahmed can't able to kill them so as most players don't you are just says to keep this lag shot just for your sake only people new to any server don't know About so called tactics of Saw they mostly hit them not fuckin left right to others you know another thing take Deadman too as example when I killed him with saw 2 times he started calling me Lagger because he think that I set fpslimit to 30 or 20 but in real it's 50 more unfair talk you want sometimes while dueling with saw if u try to saw a particular person he never get dmg by that while he was standing too!! And yeah I have better internet get 200 to 250 pings then also SaFi can kill me why because he knows the so called tactics of saw lags!!!!
I request you to Add skin Hit Back please jonne as Majority is Yes.....

Regards
[DsE]Sakura
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: fish_sheep on June 15, 2019, 01:59:38 pm
-1 ur still op noob
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Faro0s on June 15, 2019, 04:15:55 pm
Watch how the saw is not giving any damage against a lagger:

Watch how it is useless against a low fps:

All players who are against saw skin hit just want the saw unfixed. They are not complaining about anything else than getting killed by saw. They just want it unfixed like that so they avoid getting killed.

The saw was working perfectly at first, the one who has higher skills wins, and if someone tried to force lag or abuse fps he will die faster, It was fair because it was just about skills and not about lags/fps like how it is now, but since a lot of players are not that skilled in saw and some of them weren't getting killed by saw because of their lags/low fps, they started complaining when it was fixed, and the saw skin hit was removed based on it, and now it is totally unfixed, so I hope it gets fixed back, just like how it was.

I was fighting someone and when I was holding him with saw, he just typed /fpslimit 20 and his health started decreasing very slow till someone came and saved him, all laggers and fps abusers are not getting killed by saw, this is why they don't want it to be fixed back, so I hope it gets fixed back to prevent anyone from abusing fps or forcing lag just to avoid getting killed by saw.

In the first video, it is clear that you suck at chainsaw fights no offense but you really suck. As far as I see, you don’t apply any sort of tactic, you simply keep skin chainsawing him but it doesn’t work like that. You need to hit him from front in order to trap him with your chainsaw because your first hit will stun him and you should take advantage of that moment to trap him. So, unable to kill him is your mistake that you can’t really use chainsaw.
The fact that you couldn’t kill him in bike is because of lag and that doesn’t make it any different if skin hit chainsaw is applied, infact, it makes it worse. How? Let me tell you, you will be able to kill people from distance, i mean what logic explains that? It makes it easier for you but you should consider the fact that it brings a lot of bugs with it if it is applied. Lag plays a big role here as well, back when it was working in skin hit form, i killed a person with chainsaw when he was not even hit in my screen, he was TPing all the time and i kept chainsawing god knows where until all of a sudden i got the kill, lol.
So, to be clear, applying skin hit chainsaw will bring,
• Several bugs
• Makes it worse if you consider lag
• Allows you to kill people from distance

Therefore, I request to not apply it.
Thanks.


-Fares
Cobby is bigger lagger than you then also he is demanding for skin hit and about your suggestion of not adding it I know why because if it was added then you guys who call themselves Professional in saw lags who can't get killed will get killed by skin hit aren't you I have a good pc but I have samp add-on most people who have windows 10 must use samp add-on in this your fpslimit disabled means you can't set framelimts fortunately I enabled that so people set their FPS to 20 or 30 can kill everyone example Fares . You can also see the 1st video Ahmed can't able to kill them so as most players don't you are just says to keep this lag shot just for your sake only people new to any server don't know About so called tactics of Saw they mostly hit them not fuckin left right to others you know another thing take Deadman too as example when I killed him with saw 2 times he started calling me Lagger because he think that I set fpslimit to 30 or 20 but in real it's 50 more unfair talk you want sometimes while dueling with saw if u try to saw a particular person he never get dmg by that while he was standing too!! And yeah I have better internet get 200 to 250 pings then also SaFi can kill me why because he knows the so called tactics of saw lags!!!!
I request you to Add skin Hit Back please jonne as Majority is Yes.....

Regards
[DsE]Sakura

You are very wrong here. Limiting your FPS to 20 or 30 does not make you immortal or like god mode on that you say the person will not take damage.. in fact, setting your fps limit to 20 will only make you take damage slowly and it will help you escape the chainsaw traps. That's the actual benefit of limiting your fps but I never do it, people do it against me but still they lose because there is weekness for everything.
Now, Deadman's case is different, it has nothing to do here because who ever kills him, lagger or not, he calls the person lagger. It's just he is recent player and don't know how to deal with lags. But it has nothing to do with FPS limits.
Now, I'll tell you something very logical, bringing skin hit chainsaw will allow many bugs to occur like killing people from distance with chainsaw. How do you think logic accepts that? Even lag will be badass here, You will die when you don't even see the player. How is that helpful to the server?
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Konata Izumi on June 15, 2019, 05:16:07 pm
Watch how the saw is not giving any damage against a lagger:

Watch how it is useless against a low fps:

All players who are against saw skin hit just want the saw unfixed. They are not complaining about anything else than getting killed by saw. They just want it unfixed like that so they avoid getting killed.

The saw was working perfectly at first, the one who has higher skills wins, and if someone tried to force lag or abuse fps he will die faster, It was fair because it was just about skills and not about lags/fps like how it is now, but since a lot of players are not that skilled in saw and some of them weren't getting killed by saw because of their lags/low fps, they started complaining when it was fixed, and the saw skin hit was removed based on it, and now it is totally unfixed, so I hope it gets fixed back, just like how it was.

I was fighting someone and when I was holding him with saw, he just typed /fpslimit 20 and his health started decreasing very slow till someone came and saved him, all laggers and fps abusers are not getting killed by saw, this is why they don't want it to be fixed back, so I hope it gets fixed back to prevent anyone from abusing fps or forcing lag just to avoid getting killed by saw.

In the first video, it is clear that you suck at chainsaw fights no offense but you really suck. As far as I see, you don’t apply any sort of tactic, you simply keep skin chainsawing him but it doesn’t work like that. You need to hit him from front in order to trap him with your chainsaw because your first hit will stun him and you should take advantage of that moment to trap him. So, unable to kill him is your mistake that you can’t really use chainsaw.
The fact that you couldn’t kill him in bike is because of lag and that doesn’t make it any different if skin hit chainsaw is applied, infact, it makes it worse. How? Let me tell you, you will be able to kill people from distance, i mean what logic explains that? It makes it easier for you but you should consider the fact that it brings a lot of bugs with it if it is applied. Lag plays a big role here as well, back when it was working in skin hit form, i killed a person with chainsaw when he was not even hit in my screen, he was TPing all the time and i kept chainsawing god knows where until all of a sudden i got the kill, lol.
So, to be clear, applying skin hit chainsaw will bring,
• Several bugs
• Makes it worse if you consider lag
• Allows you to kill people from distance

Therefore, I request to not apply it.
Thanks.


-Fares
Cobby is bigger lagger than you then also he is demanding for skin hit and about your suggestion of not adding it I know why because if it was added then you guys who call themselves Professional in saw lags who can't get killed will get killed by skin hit aren't you I have a good pc but I have samp add-on most people who have windows 10 must use samp add-on in this your fpslimit disabled means you can't set framelimts fortunately I enabled that so people set their FPS to 20 or 30 can kill everyone example Fares . You can also see the 1st video Ahmed can't able to kill them so as most players don't you are just says to keep this lag shot just for your sake only people new to any server don't know About so called tactics of Saw they mostly hit them not fuckin left right to others you know another thing take Deadman too as example when I killed him with saw 2 times he started calling me Lagger because he think that I set fpslimit to 30 or 20 but in real it's 50 more unfair talk you want sometimes while dueling with saw if u try to saw a particular person he never get dmg by that while he was standing too!! And yeah I have better internet get 200 to 250 pings then also SaFi can kill me why because he knows the so called tactics of saw lags!!!!
I request you to Add skin Hit Back please jonne as Majority is Yes.....

Regards
[DsE]Sakura

You are very wrong here. Limiting your FPS to 20 or 30 does not make you immortal or like god mode on that you say the person will not take damage.. in fact, setting your fps limit to 20 will only make you take damage slowly and it will help you escape the chainsaw traps. That's the actual benefit of limiting your fps but I never do it, people do it against me but still they lose because there is weekness for everything.
Now, Deadman's case is different, it has nothing to do here because who ever kills him, lagger or not, he calls the person lagger. It's just he is recent player and don't know how to deal with lags. But it has nothing to do with FPS limits.
Now, I'll tell you something very logical, bringing skin hit chainsaw will allow many bugs to occur like killing people from distance with chainsaw. How do you think logic accepts that? Even lag will be badass here, You will die when you don't even see the player. How is that helpful to the server?
Only one thing can be done here
If there is any ways to limit the chainsaw damage by skin hit that will help
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Deadman on June 15, 2019, 05:50:09 pm
My name has been said here by the attention seeker. Yes I call Fares lager and each and every member of this community can prove you how lagy you are even that you tp in other's screen, giving you most of the times and advantage over others. Especially in sniping case. In fact I can remind what Mia called you some months ago in LS map when you were fighting clan wars at main armour. Think before you speak cry about me or saying my name from your stupid ugly tounge.
About saw, bringing skinhit back would be good but at least fix the bugs in that saw damage mode.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Konata Izumi on June 15, 2019, 07:06:53 pm
My name has been said here by the attention seeker. Yes I call Fares lager and each and every member of this community can prove you how lagy you are even that you tp in other's screen, giving you most of the times and advantage over others. Especially in sniping case. In fact I can remind what Mia called you some months ago in LS map when you were fighting clan wars at main armour. Think before you speak cry about me or saying my name from your stupid ugly tounge.
About saw, bringing skinhit back would be good but at least fix the bugs in that saw damage mode.
:V whatever you just said I didn't read
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: LuCa on June 15, 2019, 09:35:56 pm
My name has been said here by the attention seeker. Yes I call Fares lager and each and every member of this community can prove you how lagy you are even that you tp in other's screen, giving you most of the times and advantage over others. Especially in sniping case. In fact I can remind what Mia called you some months ago in LS map when you were fighting clan wars at main armour. Think before you speak cry about me or saying my name from your stupid ugly tounge.
About saw, bringing skinhit back would be good but at least fix the bugs in that saw damage mode.
:V whatever you just said I didn't read

No Offence Alaster but you are the biggest victim and Asslicker i have ever seen on this Server.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: AhMeD on June 15, 2019, 11:13:24 pm
Watch how the saw is not giving any damage against a lagger:

Watch how it is useless against a low fps:

All players who are against saw skin hit just want the saw unfixed. They are not complaining about anything else than getting killed by saw. They just want it unfixed like that so they avoid getting killed.

The saw was working perfectly at first, the one who has higher skills wins, and if someone tried to force lag or abuse fps he will die faster, It was fair because it was just about skills and not about lags/fps like how it is now, but since a lot of players are not that skilled in saw and some of them weren't getting killed by saw because of their lags/low fps, they started complaining when it was fixed, and the saw skin hit was removed based on it, and now it is totally unfixed, so I hope it gets fixed back, just like how it was.

I was fighting someone and when I was holding him with saw, he just typed /fpslimit 20 and his health started decreasing very slow till someone came and saved him, all laggers and fps abusers are not getting killed by saw, this is why they don't want it to be fixed back, so I hope it gets fixed back to prevent anyone from abusing fps or forcing lag just to avoid getting killed by saw.

In the first video, it is clear that you suck at chainsaw fights no offense but you really suck. As far as I see, you don’t apply any sort of tactic, you simply keep skin chainsawing him but it doesn’t work like that. You need to hit him from front in order to trap him with your chainsaw because your first hit will stun him and you should take advantage of that moment to trap him. So, unable to kill him is your mistake that you can’t really use chainsaw.
The fact that you couldn’t kill him in bike is because of lag and that doesn’t make it any different if skin hit chainsaw is applied, infact, it makes it worse. How? Let me tell you, you will be able to kill people from distance, i mean what logic explains that? It makes it easier for you but you should consider the fact that it brings a lot of bugs with it if it is applied. Lag plays a big role here as well, back when it was working in skin hit form, i killed a person with chainsaw when he was not even hit in my screen, he was TPing all the time and i kept chainsawing god knows where until all of a sudden i got the kill, lol.
So, to be clear, applying skin hit chainsaw will bring,
• Several bugs
• Makes it worse if you consider lag
• Allows you to kill people from distance

Therefore, I request to not apply it.
Thanks.


-Fares



Son, I keep simply skin chainsawing him and it doesn't work like that!!! and I need to hit him in front in order to trap him!!! wait a minute, Do you need to hit in front of someone with other weapons to get damage??? Nope, then why should I hit with saw in front of someone so I can kill him.

Also do you know that even if I tried this, it is still sometimes impossible to kill someone if he is lagging. If you are fighting someone with 350+ ping it will be very very hard to kill him with saw. And what if his ping is 450+??? his lag point will be in a longer and longer distance. Try it mate, someone with 350+ is kinda impossible to be killed with saw if he is running and it doesn't matter how hard you try.

Also, what if he has low fps???? Didn't you see that I was already holding him with saw in the screen and he escaped because he was getting damage very slowly??? Also, did you know that the other weapons are so powerful now so the saw is kinda useless against any other weapon especially if you are fighting someone lagging or playing on a low fps. Mate, if someone is teleporting you will never ever be able to kill him with saw, on the other hand, he will be able to kill you in seconds with other weapons.

But let me explain something, If someone is teleporting or lagging hard then he is the one who should be killed, because his lags is his own issue and he should be responsible for any disadvantages he is getting because of it. It is not the players who are not lagging who should pay for his lags, so you shouldn't give an advantage to the laggers to kill the players who are not lagging, because lag is already something wrong. So if someone is lagging and he died by the saw skin hit from long distance it would be his own issue as he is lagging, and he has to fix his lags in order not to be killed from a long distance. Laggers should fix their lags, but players who are not lagging are not supposed to force lag in order to survive, same goes for the low fps case.

Explaining the case clearly:

Saw lag hit: It is better for the laggers/low fps players, because their lags will make it very hard to get them killed, and this is totally wrong, because lag is something that shouldn't be existed from the first place, laggers shouldn't have an advantage over the players who are not lagging, it is their own issue, they are supposed to fix their connection, and we shouldn't remain a weapon to stay unfixed just to give them an advantage. 

Saw skin hit: It is better for all the players who are not lagging, mostly fair, because it is all about skills and not about lags, whoever is lagging or teleporting will die faster, for the first while you might say it is kinda harsh to go like this on laggers, yes, you might be right. But, I guess it is better to get everyone trying to fix his lags else than getting everyone forcing lag or abusing fps just to survive, like I already said, lag is something that shouldn't be existed from the first place, so we should get rid of it as much as we can so it can be fair for everyone, and of course we shouldn't give an advantage for laggers so we can avoid having more laggers in the server, by the exact meaning, you will increase the chance of getting players forcing lag or abusing fps so they can have an advantage over the others.

So I hope Jonne fixes it.     

 
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Faro0s on June 15, 2019, 11:35:00 pm
My name has been said here by the attention seeker. Yes I call Fares lager and each and every member of this community can prove you how lagy you are even that you tp in other's screen, giving you most of the times and advantage over others. Especially in sniping case. In fact I can remind what Mia called you some months ago in LS map when you were fighting clan wars at main armour. Think before you speak cry about me or saying my name from your stupid ugly tounge.
About saw, bringing skinhit back would be good but at least fix the bugs in that saw damage mode.

This is not a place to insult or rage on a true fact, read 100 times what I said and use glasses this time, you call every one who kills you lagger, this is the way you rage and everyone knows it. And don't you dare to say that lag gives me advantage, see my videos, I see you all TP in my screen as well so where is the advantage? But it is ok, you are a recent player, you can't deal with lag I understand, but go and study about it before you talk.

@Ahmed
I will read your article later and respond.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Chetan on June 16, 2019, 04:46:45 am
This isn't a healthy discussion here anymore. I hope it gets locked soon
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: AhMeD on June 16, 2019, 04:25:05 pm
This isn't a healthy discussion here anymore. I hope it gets locked soon
Yes, and I hope Jonne decides based on this.

Let me explain something, If someone is teleporting or lagging hard then he is the one who should be killed, because his lags is his own issue and he should be responsible for any disadvantages he is getting because of it. It is not the players who are not lagging who should pay for his lags, so you shouldn't give an advantage to the laggers to kill the players who are not lagging, because lag is already something wrong. So if someone is lagging and he died by the saw skin hit from long distance it would be his own issue as he is lagging, and he has to fix his lags in order not to be killed from a long distance. Laggers should fix their lags, but players who are not lagging are not supposed to force lag in order to survive, same goes for the low fps case.

Explaining the case clearly:

Saw lag hit: It is better for the laggers/low fps players, because their lags will make it very hard to get them killed, and this is totally wrong, because lag is something that shouldn't be existed from the first place, laggers shouldn't have an advantage over the players who are not lagging, it is their own issue, they are supposed to fix their connection, and we shouldn't remain a weapon to stay unfixed just to give them an advantage. 

Saw skin hit: It is better for all the players who are not lagging, mostly fair, because it is all about skills and not about lags, whoever is lagging or teleporting will die faster, for the first while you might say it is kinda harsh to go like this on laggers, yes, you might be right. But, I guess it is better to get everyone trying to fix his lags else than getting everyone forcing lag or abusing fps just to survive, like I already said, lag is something that shouldn't be existed from the first place, so we should get rid of it as much as we can so it can be fair for everyone, and of course we shouldn't give an advantage for laggers so we can avoid having more laggers in the server, by the exact meaning, you will increase the chance of getting players forcing lag or abusing fps so they can have an advantage over the others.

So I hope Jonne fixes it.     

Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Faro0s on June 16, 2019, 11:25:35 pm


Son, I keep simply skin chainsawing him and it doesn't work like that!!! and I need to hit him in front in order to trap him!!! wait a minute, Do you need to hit in front of someone with other weapons to get damage??? Nope, then why should I hit with saw in front of someone so I can kill him.

Also do you know that even if I tried this, it is still sometimes impossible to kill someone if he is lagging. If you are fighting someone with 350+ ping it will be very very hard to kill him with saw. And what if his ping is 450+??? his lag point will be in a longer and longer distance. Try it mate, someone with 350+ is kinda impossible to be killed with saw if he is running and it doesn't matter how hard you try.     


For me it is easy to kill whoever against me because I know how to and I already proved it in my videos. But to be precise, it doesn't make any difference because if he is lagging, he will keep TPing in your screen and how will you chainsaw his skin if he keeps teleporting all the time ? It is worse because suddenly you will find yourself dead due to his lag. So your point has no value here.



Also, what if he has low fps???? Didn't you see that I was already holding him with saw in the screen and he escaped because he was getting damage very slowly??? Also, did you know that the other weapons are so powerful now so the saw is kinda useless against any other weapon especially if you are fighting someone lagging or playing on a low fps. Mate, if someone is teleporting you will never ever be able to kill him with saw, on the other hand, he will be able to kill you in seconds with other weapons.

But let me explain something, If someone is teleporting or lagging hard then he is the one who should be killed, because his lags is his own issue and he should be responsible for any disadvantages he is getting because of it. It is not the players who are not lagging who should pay for his lags, so you shouldn't give an advantage to the laggers to kill the players who are not lagging, because lag is already something wrong. So if someone is lagging and he died by the saw skin hit from long distance it would be his own issue as he is lagging, and he has to fix his lags in order not to be killed from a long distance. Laggers should fix their lags, but players who are not lagging are not supposed to force lag in order to survive, same goes for the low fps case.


For your first paragraph:
Low FPS abusing is something normal, people limit their fps when it is a chainsaw vs chainsaw fight to get the advantage of slow damage, no one will abuse it in normal fights lol but if someone has low fps, then I think it will be the same with skin hit as well because it is something related to samp not just PTP. Also if the person is lagging then you don't have to use chainsaw against him lol, use other weapons, you are not forced to use chainsaw only, what a dumb point was that?

For your 2nd paragraph:
Let me tell you something, so I am lagging all the time, that doesn't mean I have advantage or anything because what ever he sees in his screen, I see the same as well. The way how I teleport is the same in both screens so basically there is no advantage unless the person forces lag because that case will be different. Now, it is not only because of lag that you will be able to kill people from distance, it is that bug because I saw some people died with it who never lags, it is a bug and it happens constantly not just when the person lags.



Explaining the case clearly:

Saw lag hit: It is better for the laggers/low fps players, because their lags will make it very hard to get them killed, and this is totally wrong, because lag is something that shouldn't be existed from the first place, laggers shouldn't have an advantage over the players who are not lagging, it is their own issue, they are supposed to fix their connection, and we shouldn't remain a weapon to stay unfixed just to give them an advantage. 

Saw skin hit: It is better for all the players who are not lagging, mostly fair, because it is all about skills and not about lags, whoever is lagging or teleporting will die faster, for the first while you might say it is kinda harsh to go like this on laggers, yes, you might be right. But, I guess it is better to get everyone trying to fix his lags else than getting everyone forcing lag or abusing fps just to survive, like I already said, lag is something that shouldn't be existed from the first place, so we should get rid of it as much as we can so it can be fair for everyone, and of course we shouldn't give an advantage for laggers so we can avoid having more laggers in the server, by the exact meaning, you will increase the chance of getting players forcing lag or abusing fps so they can have an advantage over the others.

So I hope Jonne fixes it.     


Let me make it clear,

Skin hit chainsaw:
In terms of lag, there won't be any difference. You might be asking how or why, it is because lag is delay in time, so let us assume that player A is fighting player B and player A is lagging. What happens ? Player A might die from distance right ? Yes that is true but what if the same "advantage" is applied here as you say? what if player TPs behind player B all of a sudden ? Then the same logic is applied here as well, player B dies from distance because player B TPed behind him. So, in terms of lag they both are same. Many bugs occur. Now, fps abusing is something normal and it is allowed, once you trap the player, he won't be able to release himself so easily with low fps, but if you move or disturb the connection between your chainsaw and the player's body, then the player will be able to escape, that's the idea of low FPS because the player loses health slowly and he has time to try to escape.


Normal chainsaw damage:

What is needed here? Tactic, idea how to use chainsaw. You should know how to trap a player lol. But as far as I see, you suck at that because you keep chainsawing the player's skin at any case which you think is hard to kill but the fact is that you don't know how to use it and so you want to apply the chainsaw skin hit based on your personal favor which brings no interest in the server.

Points to focus:
- Skin hit brings stupid bugs
- Lag abuse is the same in both cases but it makes it worse with skin hit.
- FPS abuse is not a point to see because it is allowed.

Therefore, I request Jonne not to bring this update.

-Fares
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Darwin/Retired on June 17, 2019, 02:26:08 am
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Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on June 17, 2019, 07:07:14 am
First of all that lagger depiction is baffling, lagging,low fps, high ping, etc are not a choice. We have a 999 ping limit here, there's a broader acceptance.

Also FPS and Resolution can still be 'abused' in this system.

I was a 250+ Pinger Low FPS dude myself. It's mutually bad in gameplay. Yeah force lag is bad but it's punishable so why band the entire herd for it? Low pingers have other advantages, my general gameplay improved with lower ping both on skinhit and lagcomp.

Lags are normal in gaming, I find it very biased that you think something like lagging is shouldn't exist while hitting someone's hitbox on your screen while he/she is actually 5 feet away to be 'skilled'.



Honestly I should've recorded the skinhit instances during Plan B to easily prove my point how ridiculous it will be ingame.

I will use footage from other server as a alternative instead. I am not pro and the video was rushed, so the production is pretty bad.

Ridiculousness of Skin-hit Chainsaw




It's stupid in application to PTP gameplay. It would make things way worse for the receiving side,especially president. Honestly, it's like people got spoiled and want ez deaths. PTP>Duels. If you don't have the patience just use the skinhit guns.

President's won't get time to react at all, Chainsaw vs Uzi/Tecs will be inversed and they will be useless in general combat range if there is 1 good hit.

Problems of Lagcomp but why I am okay with it in PTP, than skinhit.



Although like I said, my only problem is the defense. Skinhit chainsaw is balanced for everyone attacking wise.

A nerfed chainsaw in damage and rangecheck is the only thing I am gonna take over the current chainsaw system.

Skinhit does allow less physical stun time and stickings compared to lagcomp ones. We can adjust the damage to very low (freeze damage will still major inflict anyways) so that the receiving side at-least has a chance to do something.

But that's controversial topic in itself, Yes poll doesn't guarantee that. I would rather prefer the current system until an improved system comes.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: AhMeD on June 17, 2019, 05:41:30 pm
For me it is easy to kill whoever against me because I know how to and I already proved it in my videos
Good to know.


it doesn't make any difference because if he is lagging, he will keep TPing in your screen and how will you chainsaw his skin if he keeps teleporting all the time
If he lags that doesn't mean he is teleporting, a lot of people are lagging but they are not teleporting, it just a few percentage of people we are teleporting, you are one of them, also, if he is teleporting you will still be able to damage him, if you could follow his skin. But, in the lag saw hit, you won't be able to damage him even if you kept following his skin.


It is worse because suddenly you will find yourself dead due to his lag. So your point has no value here.
No, because chainsaw was kinda fixed at the last few days before it was updated to the saw lag hit, at first it used to damage from long distance. But, after that, it was updated it wasn't killing from long distance anymore, and trust me, if you are lagging hard or teleporting you won't be able to kill anyone with saw at the saw skin hit, it would be very hard to kill someone with saw, and you yourself (a teleporting guy) admitted that. If the saw skin hit is applied back you won't be able to kill anyone easily, because you will keep sawing and no one will get damage, and on the other hand, you are the one who will die because of your lags, and this the main reason you are trying hardly to let the saw lag hit stays.


Low FPS abusing is something normal, people limit their fps when it is a chainsaw vs chainsaw fight to get the advantage of slow damage, no one will abuse it in normal fights lol
You are sure that no one will abuse it in the normal fights???

Mate, I'am telling you, one of the reasons I have posted this topic is because people were abusing fps in my saw to avoid getting killed.


but if someone has low fps, then I think it will be the same with skin hit as well because it is something related to samp not just PTP
You are creating lies and you are believing them???

If someone has low fps, you will have no chance to kill him at the saw lag hit. Yesterday, I was trying to kill a president, 2 securities came up trying to kill me, Ege and other security, they died by saw as they both got a normal fps, a player who got low fps came after them, I tired hard to saw him and it was impossible to kill him.

If someone tried to abuse fps at the saw skin hit case, he won't gain any advantage over the other, not just this, the other one might kill him because the other one will be faster than him and he will get a faster damaging than him, because it all about speed in this case. What you are saying is totally bullshit.
   

Also if the person is lagging then you don't have to use chainsaw against him lol, use other weapons, you are not forced to use chainsaw only, what a dumb point was that?
You are trying to support the saw lag hit staying by saying that the saw is useless at sometimes, and I have to use another weapons against laggers because I won't be able to kill them but this is not a problem as I'am not forced to use chainsaw only, Epic.

 
Let me tell you something, so I am lagging all the time, that doesn't mean I have advantage or anything because what ever he sees in his screen, I see the same as well. The way how I teleport is the same in both screens so basically there is no advantage unless the person forces lag because that case will be different.
This is pure bullshit, if you are lagging then that doesn't mean you have an advantage over anyone???

Mate, you are saying something that you don't even know what is it. I was saw dueling someone who is teleporting and he was exactly near the wall of the dueling area when I was in the middle of the dueling area, he was near the wall and suddenly he killed me by the saw, I didn't even see him near me all of the dueling time, but in his screen he was damaging me, he was abusing his lags against me, just like you do.

Son, no one will agree with you on this bullshit, laggers got epic advantage over the others in saw.
Also, you are trying to say we should learn how to fight a lagger, and this is totally retarded because lag is something that shouldn't be existed in a fair game play.


what if player TPs behind player B all of a sudden ? Then the same logic is applied here as well, player B dies from distance because player B TPed behind him. So, in terms of lag they both are same.
I already said, this shit was fixed lately in the last few days before the saw skin hit was removed, so people who were teleporting weren't be able to kill players from a long distance like they used to do before. But, in fact, they are ones who kept sawing without giving any damage to the others, and they are the ones who had the more chance to be killed. I tried it, I was lagging and I was getting killed several times(raped), I wasn't been able to kill anyone when everyone was being able to kill me, and I didn't even see how I was dying. So, yes, it is would be really harsh on the laggers, but we want to prevent players from trying to force lag or abuse fps as much as possible, on the other hand, we want everyone lagging to try fixing his lags but not getting everyone who is not lagging trying to force lag or abuse fps so he can survive against the saw.

I understand well that you won't so happy if the saw skin hit is applied back, because you are one of the laggers. But, this is the right thing and you should deal with it. We won't ruin the game and let something stays unfixed so we can make it suitable for all the laggers and low fps players.   


Normal chainsaw damage:
What is needed here? Tactic, idea how to use chainsaw.

Yes, the tactic of fighting the laggers with saw. And even if you knew how, laggers will still have advantage over you, and they will still be able to kill you when you will have nearly 0% chances to kill them and it doesn't matter how skilled you are in saw.

Son, no one in ptp can use the saw lag hit better than me, maybe no one is samp, whole server knows it, I can get people from a distance that you would laugh on your fucking ass off if you knew how I can get them. Whole server made a party when they knew it was removed because I won't be able to use it against them anymore. And I'am saying that there is some laggers who I have never ever been able to kill them. I remember I tired to saw that guy "Fishsheep" I tried to kill him with the saw for a couple of times but I failed really hard, it is just impossible to kill him because he was and still playing on a low fps.   


You should know how to trap a player lol. But as far as I see, you suck at that because you keep chainsawing the player's skin at any case which you think is hard to kill but the fact is that you don't know how to use it and so you want to apply the chainsaw skin hit based on your personal favor which brings no interest in the server.
I won't reply on this shit. I mean okay, I suck.


Points to focus:
- Skin hit brings stupid bugs
- Lag abuse is the same in both cases but it makes it worse with skin hit.
- FPS abuse is not a point to see because it is allowed.
- Stupid bugs??!!!$$$$%% what the fuck did I get from the word "stupid".
- It is not, I already explained, read up^^.
- How retarded is your reply, you are losing the discussion that you are bringing something that it is related
  to something else(being allowed or not) as you got nothing to say to support your point.


First of all that lagger depiction is baffling, lagging,low fps, high ping, etc are not a choice. We have a 999 ping limit here, there's a broader acceptance.
Mate, you don't know what you are saying, you are talking like if someone got 350+ he won't be lagging.

By your logic, if we got 5 players with pings 350, 450, 550, 650, 750 all of them won't be lagging, you know why ???? Because it is just like how you said, lagging,low fps, high ping, etc are not a choice. We have a 999 ping limit here, there's a broader acceptance, lmfao.
   

Also FPS and Resolution can still be 'abused' in this system.
Yes, fps can't not be abused in this system, I posted a video of someone using 20 fps and he had 0% chances to be killed. But, wait, fps and resolution can't be abused in this system, nothing is called fps abusing, you are right.


Lags are normal in gaming
Yes, and not lagging isn't normal. so I like keeping the lag issue which is normal rather than fixing it.

Son, if lag is something normal in games then it is not because it is meant to be like that. Game creators never wanted lag issue to be existed as they wanted it to be fair for everyone. So they always wanted to fix the lag issue. If they failed to prevent the lag issue from happening then it is something that went out of their hands. And here we can avoid this issue, but I see that some players want the lag issue not to be fixed just to give them an advantage over the others.

   
Honestly I should've recorded the skinhit instances during Plan B to easily prove my point how ridiculous it will be ingame.

I will use footage from other server as a alternative instead. I am not pro and the video was rushed, so the production is pretty bad.

Ridiculousness of Skin-hit Chainsaw

 
You are dying because you are lagging or because you are playing on a very low fps. And this is what we want exactly to prevent everyone from abusing lag or fps just to gain an advantage over the others.

Mate, your game is hanging so fix it, it is not our issue so we can let something stays unfixed so someone with a hanging game doesn't get killed. 

Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Konata Izumi on June 17, 2019, 08:09:33 pm
For this lag skin hit issue I need to play with FPS limit 30 , For god sake I wanted to play my favourite fuckin game with as much as FPS I want and because of this Chainsaw is so OP for Laggers aka Low FPS users that they were killing me , I still know that death board of me Vs Safi everykill for SaFi because while shooting him he can saw me and I get full dmg like you do in old skin hit[Lag hit] update , for that I need to play on 30 FPS and I can kill or dmg players with saw mostly..... After this Update nemesis Everytime Tping in duels when I decided to saw duel nemesis was standing and not even afk I was sawing him and Boom he didn't get dmg but when I turn FPS to 30 I just saw a distance away from him and he getting dmg :V
And Don't you dare to Think I am saying because I have new CPU Lohit. I can kill anyone with 30 FPS with that Skin hit by saw and also Cobby , Sick can also kill people with saw they are the biggest Laggers and also playing on low resolution than you Fares and Lohit they know the difference between lag and skin hit of saw and No one mean 70% of the Samp community even know about so called Tactics Fares....


Jonne add it if you want so called "Fair" Gameplay for your server!!!!!!


Regards
[DsE]Sakura


[PLEASE DONT GET OFFENDED BY THESE MESSAGE IT WASNT WRITTEN BY HATERATE OR SOMETHING I JUST WANT FAIR GAMEPLAY BACK I DONT WANT TO PLAY IN 30FPS BY FORCE]
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on June 18, 2019, 06:43:12 am
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Mate, you don't know what you are saying, you are talking like if someone got 350+ he won't be lagging.

By your logic, if we got 5 players with pings 350, 450, 550, 650, 750 all of them won't be lagging, you know why ???? Because it is just like how you said, lagging,low fps, high ping, etc are not a choice. We have a 999 ping limit here, there's a broader acceptance, lmfao.

I was acknowledging that they ARE lagging, they just can't magically fix their lags and ping. They make a good portion of the playerbase. This skinhit update will ruin it for them.

If we were so superconcerned about more stable and less laggy playerbase we won't have a 999 ping limit.

Yeah, lag isn't always dependant on ping, but in general I found more laggers from higher pings.


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Yes, and not lagging isn't normal. so I like keeping the lag issue which is normal rather than fixing it.

Son, if lag is something normal in games then it is not because it is meant to be like that. Game creators never wanted lag issue to be existed as they wanted it to be fair for everyone. So they always wanted to fix the lag issue. If they failed to prevent the lag issue from happening then it is something that went out of their hands. And here we can avoid this issue, but I see that some players want the lag issue not to be fixed just to give them an advantage over the others.

But this is a fanmade mod. Rockstar Games don't give a shit about SAMP. This a Singleplayer game, meant to be played with Frame Limiter on and at 25-30 FPS. It has bugs because the multiplayer is fanmade and isn't open source like MTA.


The 'Fix' you say comes with the problems of it's own. It's a makeshift solution that has it's benefits but would just suck in actual application in PTP. Civilians Saw unable to kill people with Saw is a lesser problem than Uzi-Tec9 being useless in usual combat range because they will get magically saw'd and killed from 5 feet.

You are pretending like laggers are the same as normal players with some epic advantage. It goes both ways. Laggers generally have a shit experience overall. Unless one force lags, changing FPS in actual PTP is suicidal because it comes with more problems. Then add this to it. You yourself say it

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If the saw skin hit is applied back you [lagger] won't be able to kill anyone easily, because you will keep sawing and no one will get damage, and on the other hand, you are the one who will die because of your lags, and this the main reason you are trying hardly to let the saw lag hit stays.


Most of the problems you face come from /duels. They don't happen much in normal PTP. Rather entire situation will be reversed for the worse.

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You are dying because you are lagging or because you are playing on a very low fps. And this is what we want exactly to prevent everyone from abusing lag or fps just to gain an advantage over the others.

Mate, your game is hanging so fix it, it is not our issue so we can let something stays unfixed so someone with a hanging game doesn't get killed. 

Oh I knew someone would say that. Unfortunately NO.

The 'recording' is at 29.97 FPS, Ingame framerate and resolution differs because I wanted to see the problem still happening at different situations. And my ping spike varies.

0:00-0:17 : 25-30 FPS 1920x1080, Ping = Less Stable, annoying stutter, frame drops,etc.

0:17-0:43 : 35-40 FPS 1600x900, Ping = Stable, average to minor stutter,lags,frame drops,etc.

0:43-1:33 : 48 FPS+ 1920x1080, Ping = More stable, no minor frame drops,or lags.

except the first parts which was to show how fucked up it would be for the higher pingers, all of the rest are at the usual SAMP Framerate range. Unless you want 120 FPS gameplay to be considered average.

What's with this fixing? I can't 'fix' it by magically clapping my hands together. I can worsen it by switching to inferior mobile data and run 10 applications on the background yes. But the majority of the laggers can't fix it.



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No, because chainsaw was kinda fixed at the last few days before it was updated to the saw lag hit, at first it used to damage from long distance. But, after that, it was updated it wasn't killing from long distance anymore,

Last few days? I don't recall it being fixed before lagcomp. Civilian whores still managed to saw and eat my health from 10 steps behind during my times as president. And I played AFTER Jonne put the sanity check to prevent kills from more retarded ranges like 80+ distance.

That wasn't the problem, that fell into ridiculous bugs. I mean the average Uzi fight distances where people are eating away your health and you can't do shit. The lagcomp still allowed that for every user.

That would be something like grenade being ok in a fistfight because they took away the nukes.

As for your other points, I read them. I agree in a general sense. Still disagree because of the reasons stated above.

*I do acknowledge the positives of Skinhit chainsaw and the frustation of lagcomp and laggers. Looks like a chunk of low pinger playerbase also left due to saw being available for all and not being able to hit back. Yeah it would be make fair for them but like I said it goes both ways.

Just nerf the damage for chainsaw if skinhit is gonna be used.




Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Rage on June 18, 2019, 09:51:11 pm
bullshits -1 ahmed son NO  :D ???
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Menace on June 19, 2019, 01:00:21 am
-1 rage black
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Konata Izumi on June 30, 2019, 03:57:48 pm
LoL just Bring skin hit back @Jonne
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Shark_The_Helicopter on June 30, 2019, 04:59:26 pm
Reopen ze polls
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: AhMeD on June 30, 2019, 06:16:32 pm
Today, there were 3 players with 300+ ping who had no chance to be killed with saw, so I hope the saw damaging system gets fixed.
Title: Re: Get the saw skin hit back
Post by: Jonne on July 07, 2019, 04:52:06 pm
Lag will always have an effect on the game. With the new damage system, it just replaced the effect from the attacker to the defender. In the normal damage system, lag will be a disadvantage to the attacker, as it's hard to find the exact position of the defender and deal damage to him (as it's the damage the defender takes that counts). In the new system, lag will be a disadvantage to the defender, as he doesn't know the exact position of the attacker (here it's the damage the attacker deals that counts), thus making it hard to avoid any damage (and the damage will seemingly come out of nowhere). So, there isn't a system that's more 'fair' than another.

That being said, we'll keep the system like it is now. First of all, it's the system that people are more used to, so everyone knows how to deal damage and new players don't have to learn anything. Secondly, I noticed people get more frustrated getting killed out of nowhere, taking damage by something they don't see, than not being able to deal damage themselves. So, all things considered, I think it's better to keep this system.

PS: If you're going to include a poll, make it with proper options first, so you don't have to remove half the options later and remove the votes with it as well. And please leave it open until the topic closes, so everyone has the chance to vote on it. Also, I don't think a poll means much if you have to force your clanmates to vote on the option you like in order to swing the vote in your favour at the last minute...