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Off Topic => Off Topic => Topic started by: COBRA on July 11, 2017, 11:59:19 am

Title: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: COBRA on July 11, 2017, 11:59:19 am
Sorry Srebrenica!

We should have came there earlier... But instead of it, whole world closed their eyes and let it happen.. Actually, you are not the one who died there, humanity died!

Quote from:  Wikipedia
The Srebrenica massacre, also known as the Srebrenica genocide[7] (Bosnian: Masakr u Srebrenici; Genocid u Srebrenici), was the July 1995 genocide[8] of more than 8,000[1][9] Muslim Bosniaks, mainly men and boys, in and around the town of Srebrenica during the Bosnian War.

The killings were perpetrated by units of the Bosnian Serb Army of Republika Srpska (VRS) under the command of General Ratko Mladić. The Scorpions, a paramilitary unit from Serbia, who had been part of the Serbian Interior Ministry until 1991, also participated in the massacre.[6][10] In April 1993 the United Nations (UN) had declared the besieged enclave of Srebrenica—in the Drina Valley of northeastern Bosnia—a "safe area" under UN protection. However, in July 1995, UNPROFOR's 370[11] Dutchbat soldiers in Srebrenica failed to prevent the town's capture by the VRS—and the subsequent massacre.[12][13][14][15]

In 2004, in a unanimous ruling on the case of Prosecutor v. Krstić, the Appeals Chamber of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), located in the Hague, ruled that the massacre of the enclave's male inhabitants constituted genocide, a crime under international law.[16] The ruling was also upheld by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in 2007.[17] The forcible transfer and abuse, of between 25,000 and 30,000 Bosniak women, children and elderly which accompanied the massacre was found to constitute genocide, when accompanied with the killings and separation of the men.[18][19]

In 2005, Kofi Annan, then Secretary-General of the United Nations described the mass murder as the worst crime on European soil since the Second World War,[2] and in a message to the tenth anniversary commemoration of the massacre, he wrote that, while blame lay "first and foremost with those who planned and carried out the massacre and those who assisted and harboured them", the UN had "made serious errors of judgement, rooted in a philosophy of impartiality", describing Srebrenica as a tragedy that would haunt the history of the UN forever.[2]

In 2006, in the Bosnian Genocide case held before the International Court of Justice, Serbia and Montenegro was cleared of direct responsibility for, or complicity in, the massacre, but was found responsible for not doing enough to prevent the genocide and not prosecuting those responsible, in breach of the Genocide Convention. The Preliminary List of People Missing or Killed in Srebrenica compiled by the Bosnian Federal Commission of Missing Persons contains 8,373 names.[1] As of July 2012, 6,838 genocide victims have been identified through DNA analysis of body parts recovered from mass graves;[20] as of July 2013, 6,066 victims have been buried at the Memorial Centre of Potočari.[21]

In April 2013, Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić officially apologised for the massacre, although he stopped short of calling it genocide.[22] In 2013 and 2014, the Netherlands was found liable in its own supreme court and in the Hague district court of failing in its duty to prevent more than 300 of the deaths.[23][24][25][26][27]

On 8 July 2015, Russia, at the request of the Republika Srpska and Serbia, vetoed a UN resolution condemning the Srebrenica massacre as genocide. Serbia called the resolution "anti-Serb", while both European and US governments affirmed that the crimes were genocide.[28][29] On 9 July 2015, both the European Parliament (EP) and the U.S. Congress adopted resolutions reaffirming the description of the crime as genocide.[30][31]
Source and more about it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre)

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SHAME ON YOU WORLD


Note: I know some of smart ass acting kids gonna ruin this topic, go ahead because you make this world worse each day than before..
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: SoLoD on July 11, 2017, 12:52:23 pm
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Crash on July 11, 2017, 01:51:29 pm
My father was there. He was a driver. And in all of three wars during 1991-1999.
#Sorry Srebrenica
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Spectre on July 11, 2017, 02:06:09 pm
Now make a topic about all the Serbian and Croatian victims of the war, since I'm pretty sure some of those too can be classified as a genocide (or ethnic cleansing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Storm)). Also, I really don't see the point in making topics such as this on a SAMP forum.


And before you say anything, yes, this was a horrible crime and I hope it never happens again to anyone.
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: IDAN on July 11, 2017, 06:11:24 pm

Lets hope that wont happen again. :(
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: WuZi on July 11, 2017, 06:53:31 pm
Such crimes must not happen again!
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: SoLoD on July 11, 2017, 07:15:28 pm
Lemme tell you some facts.
>By 1455, central Serbia was completely conquered by the Ottoman Empire. After repelling Ottoman attacks for over 70 years, Belgrade finally fell in 1521, opening the way for Ottoman expansion into Central Europe.
So, Serbia was under ottomans for 350 year.
And we all know (i hope so), that the one and the only contribution of ottoman`s empire to the world was all-consuming slavery. Dozens of MILLIONS lives. This is their "legacy". You will not find in the whole World`s history more disguasting state (this is my opinion).
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Spectre on July 11, 2017, 07:53:08 pm
Sorry #Armenia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide)
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: MRT on July 11, 2017, 07:56:52 pm
#Sorry Srebrenica
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Deadman on July 11, 2017, 07:59:44 pm
#Sorry Srebrenica
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Uthar_Smith on July 11, 2017, 08:17:12 pm
#NotSorry because none of us could've had any impact on this event in any way
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: M a k a v e l i . on July 11, 2017, 08:23:09 pm
for 350 year.
500 years actually, that's the reason u have bosnia today, those who took islam during that period.
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Crash on July 11, 2017, 09:31:47 pm
#NotSorry because none of us could've had any impact on this event in any way
Such a shame. Though you are a normal person with emotions.
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Uthar_Smith on July 11, 2017, 09:39:45 pm
#NotSorry because none of us could've had any impact on this event in any way
Such a shame. Though you are a normal person with emotions.
Not sure what you mean lol :P
I'm just saying no one here could've had any influence on an event like this, simply because most weren't born, and others were just kids. This is why I see no point in being sorry: Why would you apologize for something that you couldn't have prevented in any way?

Outside of all this: No, I don't get emotionally affected by such an event. I see absolutely no benefit in being sad about such things. Ofcourse, sadness is a natural reaction to things happening that you don't like, so I'm not judging anyone who does get emotionally affected and I completely understand it. But what do you get out of being sad? It has no benefit whatsoever and so I try not to get emotionally affected by bad things.
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Spectre on July 11, 2017, 09:55:01 pm
Not sure what you mean lol :P
I'm just saying no one here could've had any influence on an event like this, simply because most weren't born, and others were just kids. This is why I see no point in being sorry: Why would you apologize for something that you couldn't have prevented in any way?

Outside of all this: No, I don't get emotionally affected by such an event. I see absolutely no benefit in being sad about such things. Ofcourse, sadness is a natural reaction to things happening that you don't like, so I'm not judging anyone who does get emotionally affected and I completely understand it. But what do you get out of being sad? It has no benefit whatsoever and so I try not to get emotionally affected by bad things.

Well said.
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Crash on July 11, 2017, 11:08:38 pm
I'm not Spectre,trying to asslick every admin possible,just saying that in human nature is normal to feel with those who lost their parents/friends/cousins etc. in those wars. It wont cost you anything if you post #sorry for those innocents who got killed in such a brutal way. Not a hate comment towards you and asslicker player Spectre,just my way of view.
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Spectre on July 11, 2017, 11:25:11 pm
Aw, there it goes, little Crashy is offended!

I'm not Spectre,trying to asslick every admin possible

Proof, please? Talking out of your ass, as usual. But I guess that's your new "changed" personality you've been yappin' on about ever since you asslicked (that's right, boi) admins on both Tenshi's and Jonne's server (plus [PPLV] clan) to let you play again. I've been here for 6 years, playing and making friends here while you've been banned and desperately trying to get your way back into this community. Everyone here knows me, so why would I need to asslick anyone? You poor, sad little thing.


It wont cost you anything if you post #sorry for those innocents who got killed in such a brutal way.

Summing up perfectly what is wrong with kids these days (and that's what you are) - always looking for attention in every way possible. "Now can I get sum hashtagz and likez on muh post?! Plz like me!"
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Skittles on July 11, 2017, 11:37:39 pm
It wont cost you anything if you post #sorry for those innocents who got killed in such a brutal way.

What is next? A selfie with a sorry hashtag taken by snapchat using a dog-face filter?
2017.................
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Crash on July 11, 2017, 11:45:45 pm
Laughed hard at this. Should've asslick admins,oops "mods" for 6years,in a result of defending me in a gaming forum. :D
Wasnt intention to ruin this thread with this. Sorry for triggering love-hate  beetwen keyboard warriors and beetwen higher and lower positions on a gaming forum.
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Carg on July 11, 2017, 11:47:50 pm
Just remember  "Ahmed is in love with doors" what could be more sad than this :(
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Uthar_Smith on July 12, 2017, 12:41:56 am
It wont cost you anything if you post #sorry for those innocents who got killed in such a brutal way.
Yes, that is true. Although I doubt the use of posting such a hashtag. It seems more like a tool to show the world that you are a "good person", while it actually doesn't say anything about the person posting it. Now, I'm not judging anyone that does this because surely they have good intentions but I doubt that this is the right way to memorialize these horrible events and pay your respects. I mean, people could be posting this meaningless hashtag without even knowing what it means.

I still stick to my statement: People shouldn't apologize for things they did not do and could not have prevented. You can compare it to a young German apologizing for the holocaust, it just doesn't make any sense because he doesn't have anything to do with it.

Also, before people start saying that "this thread is being ruined by childs, assholes, keyboard warriors and asslickers": The ruining only starts when people start disrespecting eachother. It will never be ruined if you argue in a respectful manner. So please, take a deep breath before hitting the post button :P
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: MAR. on July 12, 2017, 12:52:54 am
#Sorry Srebrenica
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: COBRA on July 12, 2017, 07:45:50 am
Guys, what's the problem? Why do you even trying to compare another bad situation? I'm not even Bosnian, I'm not even european. I'm just a human who lives in this planet like as all of you.

You guys bring here another topic and trying to compare it to this situation. But hello!? Can you see me, I'm not at the opposite side, I'm near to you in the world!

(http://ebizdame.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/horse-blinders-cr.jpg)
Take off your horse glasses, you gotta look with a wide perspective instead of looking from a single point view. Be sorry or not, this world is ours, I care about people in syria, people in europe, people in africa or anywhere from world! Because you guys have no difference more than animal when since you just think about yourself and your own situation.

Countries are not important, religions are not important, nationals are not important. Those are exist because of to control you. Sadly, you are under control, goverments of your countries doing well to manipulate you with media, with books that you educated on school, with holy stories told by them in the public..

I don't care, this world is my living area, I'm sorry Srebrenica victims..
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: MRT on July 12, 2017, 08:32:06 am
I was 12 years old in 1995,i remember.My little brother (he is now 27 years old) was very scared,everywhere was bombardment.I'm sorry on behalf of my country on behalf of the elderly,we couldn't save them.
Now,Syria,Iraq,Afghanistan,Arakan,Myanmar,Palestinian,.,.,.,.,.,.. under persecution,same!!!

The first point of being human is compassion, the first point of staying human is truth and honesty.

I'm sorry to all the oppressed!

Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Spectre on July 12, 2017, 11:23:42 am
I'm not even Bosnian, I'm not even european.size]

See, that's the problem, at least for me. I don't like it when a guy who is half a world away makes a topic about something he only knows about via CNN and other shit media. If a guy from Bosnia who was affected by the war and this event made this topic, I wouldn't have an issue. But you, Cobra, have been known in the past to make these topics where you like to talk about stuff that you're not very well versed in, so that's why I felt obliged to reply.

Guys, what's the problem? Why do you even trying to compare another bad situation? I'm not even Bosnian, I'm not even european. I'm just a human who lives in this planet like as all of you.

You guys bring here another topic and trying to compare it to this situation. But hello!? Can you see me, I'm not at the opposite side, I'm near to you in the world!

Why not compare it? Are Srebrenica and Armenian Genocide not the same kind of event for you now? Is Srebrenica the only bad thing that has happened in the world, so you decided to post about it? What made you do it? Yet it's very convenient to overlook Armenia because your people were involved in it, am I right?

Take off your horse glasses, you gotta look with a wide perspective instead of looking from a single point view. Be sorry or not, this world is ours, I care about people in syria, people in europe, people in africa or anywhere from world! Because you guys have no difference more than animal when since you just think about yourself and your own situation.

It's perfectly fine to care about the world and the people who are living on this planet. Nobody said otherwise. But like I said, you've been known in the past to pick very dubious topics to talk about, most of which (95%) were about Muslim people (like that topic about Uyghurs) - which is not a bad thing, considering you're a Muslim as well, but you seem to focus on them mostly, don't you?

Countries are not important, religions are not important, nationals are not important. Those are exist because of to control you. Sadly, you are under control, goverments of your countries doing well to manipulate you with media, with books that you educated on school, with holy stories told by them in the public..

This has nothing to do with the government. In fact, the government of my country is beyond repair right now, dysfunctional and corrupted af. And that is precisely why I'm not letting them control me or what I feel and think. The fact is majority of Serbs were against that stupid war in '90s - yet the rest of the world is trying to demonize my people every step of the way because of it. In war there are always 2 opposing sides, remember that. As if they themselves (the West) didn't do massacres and genocides in the past. Every country has a black spot on its history and that's inevitable, however unfortunate it may be.

I don't care, this world is my living area, I'm sorry Srebrenica victims..

Yes, the world may be your "living area". But what is posting this kind of topic on a gaming forum gonna solve? Nothing. It has already happened, sadly. And just like Uthar said in his comments, there is nothing any of us could have done to prevent it. This world would be a much better place if we could go back in the past and correct our mistakes, but we can't, can we? What we can do is learn from it, but quit trying to force your views and propaganda onto others like this. Or, if you're really up for these kind of topics, I would kindly ask you to not focus on just one example, but mention several of them.

Consider this my last reply here, I feel like Altus now (no offense, Demens :p)
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: COBRA on July 12, 2017, 01:50:28 pm
Consider this my last reply here, I feel like Altus now (no offense, Demens :p)

Don't worry, I'll reply every single letter for you :)

See, that's the problem, at least for me. I don't like it when a guy who is half a world away makes a topic about something he only knows about via CNN and other shit media. If a guy from Bosnia who was affected by the war and this event made this topic, I wouldn't have an issue. But you, Cobra, have been known in the past to make these topics where you like to talk about stuff that you're not very well versed in, so that's why I felt obliged to reply.

 See, that's not the problem since I'm not the guy who knows those situation and what happened there by watching TVs and getting brainwashed by own goverment. I'm being aware of those situations by my friends, who had some past to getting know by real 1st hand sources.

I have got some bosnian friends, I have got some serbian friends and if you realize that I didn't even mention a single country for to blame. I blamed world people for staying quite in a situation like this. Yet I'm not taking you as my opposite opinion, I'm trying to make give you an explanation right now. Keep reading my replies.


Why not compare it? Are Srebrenica and Armenian Genocide not the same kind of event for you now? Is Srebrenica the only bad thing that has happened in the world, so you decided to post about it? What made you do it? Yet it's very convenient to overlook Armenia because your people were involved in it, am I right?
Srebrenica and Armenian "Genocide" situations are two different situations which happened in different dates and different places. Do I need to remind you that I already said; I care for people all around the world, syrian, african, european, middle easter, all of them. So why are you so selective now?
Do you want to talk about Armenian Genocide topic, ofcourse I can talk here with all proofs since you gonna bring that on this topic and if you wanna learn about Armenian Genocide, I'm ready to tell you everything which I can prove it was not a genocide.

But we are talking about a known genocide here, which has been accepted by whole world with the millions of proofs from 90s.

What you do not have a single clue about Armenian Genocide and you are just using it as a tool against Srebrenica is a true story for sure. Because, Turkish goverment called Armenia Goverment for to work together, open all proofs from history to show if that Armenian Genocide exist. We have our own proofs collected which are showing that was not a genocide. But each time Turkish Goverment calling Armenia for to show proofs, Armenia keeps denying us. Well if that really exists, why they doesn't cooperate with us to found out real story?


It's perfectly fine to care about the world and the people who are living on this planet. Nobody said otherwise. But like I said, you've been known in the past to pick very dubious topics to talk about, most of which (95%) were about Muslim people (like that topic about Uyghurs) - which is not a bad thing, considering you're a Muslim as well, but you seem to focus on them mostly, don't you?
I'm not a religionist, I'm not a nationalist, yes ofcourse I made a topics about peace, topics about Uyghurs being killed in China or Syrian refuuges being killed on the seas while they trying to escape. I made many topics and posts about world and I'm proud that I can be very clear about it. Now why are you so focused about a few of my posts and you seem to select the things which you want to show, don't you?


This has nothing to do with the government. In fact, the government of my country is beyond repair right now, dysfunctional and corrupted af. And that is precisely why I'm not letting them control me or what I feel and think. The fact is majority of Serbs were against that stupid war in '90s - yet the rest of the world is trying to demonize my people every step of the way because of it. In war there are always 2 opposing sides, remember that. As if they themselves (the West) didn't do massacres and genocides in the past. Every country has a black spot on its history and that's inevitable, however unfortunate it may be.
Glad you aware of it! Atleast you know that goverments are not that clean and so honest. Every goverment has dark sides, they are making deals at the back rooms, yet we don't know anything about it. So trying to figure out what's going on there is waste of time. But what I want to mean is; I didn't say a specific country goverment does that or I didn't pointed my finger to your goverment. Yet you take it personal and you got in to a guilty psychology which made you to do some aggressive attitude on me. Don't you?

Yes, the world may be your "living area". But what is posting this kind of topic on a gaming forum gonna solve? Nothing. It has already happened, sadly. And just like Uthar said in his comments, there is nothing any of us could have done to prevent it. This world would be a much better place if we could go back in the past and correct our mistakes, but we can't, can we? What we can do is learn from it, but quit trying to force your views and propaganda onto others like this. Or, if you're really up for these kind of topics, I would kindly ask you to not focus on just one example, but mention several of them.
You know what, your horse glasses fits perfect on you! Nobody does wear it better ;)
This is a gaming forum, we have an Off-topic section which we can talk about global facts, known by world facts, we can share our happiness, we can share our sadness. I'm not forcing my opinion, if you think that I'm forcing my opinion here, making some propoganda onto others like this; then you must be so weak to think that since you can't realize still how bad is this situation. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion or doing propoganda here. I'm telling here my sadness for Srebrenica. It happened, world closed their eyes and didn't see it. But now, whole world accepted it, nothing gonna change it. Accept or not, you gotta respect for those people like as I respect for the jewish people. If you can't respect, leave it. Because this thing known by whole world, accepted with proofs.

This is a gaming forum, this game played by our future people now. We can't change the past, but we can change the future, Let it not happen again! For the whole world... Let it wide your perspective.
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Drama on July 12, 2017, 02:15:20 pm
Also, I really don't see the point in making topics such as this on a SAMP forum.
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Finisher on July 12, 2017, 02:19:25 pm
Play your game, people  :)
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: M a k a v e l i . on July 12, 2017, 02:55:44 pm
bunch of crap
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: LeatherFace. on July 12, 2017, 04:46:02 pm
#SorryforSebrenica
#Sorryforthistopic
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: EnGin on July 12, 2017, 05:32:09 pm
Play your game, people  :)

Yea...
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: SoLoD on July 12, 2017, 09:49:46 pm
if you wanna learn about Armenian Genocide, I'm ready to tell you everything which I can prove it was not a genocide.
Man, you are full of shit.
But it is interesting how you gonna "prove" it.
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Matt on July 13, 2017, 04:52:56 am
My question is why you made this topic in the first place. You're not in any way related to this tragedy but like do you like to see people arguing or something??

Look at some of the topics we've been having the past few months. There is too many kids (under 18 years old) and keyboard warriors on this server that can't handle themselves but just come to argue and get attention. Clearly these topics are not for them but even the ones that are older can't help themselves but to act the same exact way. And then this results in all these feuds ingame and yea that's healthy for the server but sometimes it goes too far.

Less topics like these please. I'll probably lock it asap but I came to see the action lol
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: Crash on July 13, 2017, 08:33:42 am
My question is why you made this topic in the first place. You're not in any way related to this tragedy but like do you like to see people arguing or something??

Look at some of the topics we've been having the past few months. There is too many kids (under 18 years old) and keyboard warriors on this server that can't handle themselves but just come to argue and get attention. Clearly these topics are not for them but even the ones that are older can't help themselves but to act the same exact way. And then this results in all these feuds ingame and yea that's healthy for the server but sometimes it goes too far.

Less topics like these please. I'll probably lock it asap but I came to see the action lol
Lock it,we saw some interesting braindead cells trying to stay alive,but failled.
Title: Re: Sorry #Srebrenica
Post by: COBRA on July 13, 2017, 08:55:54 am
Please lock this topic, seems like I felt sorry for wrong people. They are rest in peace already. I should feel sorry about our future people being careless. 50 people online here and more than half of them are doesn't care about others... Well, you guys keep playing the game yeah since you are just a creature in this world, I don't give a shit too.