Plan B
General => Suggestions => Closed => Topic started by: Miau on July 27, 2018, 02:24:59 am
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Let's make it clear
- 80% (or even more maybe?) of the players don't know how to mega jump with bicycles.
- If you don't know how to mega jump, you can't really keep up with a president who is mega jumping (unless you can carry out a very lucky kamikaze, of course).
- This results in an enormous part of the server that can't really participate in the gamemode, whether attacking or defending, unless they learn how to abuse a bug.
- PTP has always been, in general, a bug free server. This means that you can play just like everyone else as long as you understand the game controls and have a bit of strategy. No hidden tricks, everybody has the same chance from the beginning. In my opinion, forcing every attacker and defender to learn a bug really goes against the philosophy of the server.
- I don't know about you, but I know how to mega jump and I still find really hard to get to shoot the president. They can simply spend the whole round hopping on buildings and, as soon as you hop on, they hop off from the opposite corner. And, on top of this, bicycles are indestructible.
I would make president lose health while on a bicycle, just like in aircraft or water (in which the president is way more vulnerable, btw), or maybe apply some kind of punishment when mega jumping (losing a bit of HP, removing the president for the bike and forcing him to get on again, despawn health and armor pickups...).
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Hello,
Sorry, but I think that the president can use any tactic, any way or any thing which none of them should be against the rules to survive. It’s his/her duty to survive.
Just like mentioned in this topic https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=3933.0
Both are the same cases, terrorists need much effort to get the president, so I don’t think any of them should be implemented as i got convinced that president can use any way to survive.
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+1
MTB is simply too OP.
Can't Helikill,Can't pop tires, can't destroy,Smaller than Motorbikes (hard to aim at),Best thing to DB with, and vertical boost with decent horizontal speed makes it very easy to just skip through dividers,walls,deadends and what not.
I also suggest to evenly divide MTB spawns to suit each class, 90% of MTB users are President or Civilians. If Penalty system is implemented for president, Civilians would become the OP ones and would cause imbalance.
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How are you defining a "mega jump"? You mean the one where you spam jump when you are landing from a previous jump, or the one where you spam the shoot button while jumping? I don't do the glitch jumps unless the person I'm chasing does them, but it's often hard to tell so I might be at a disadvantage there. I agree that it's an issue if you don't know how to do it, but then the solution could also just be to teach people.
I'm not sure how I feel about making it illegal. I don't think it's that big of an issue, first off, but if it really is, then I think it would be better to have a command or menu in game that tells you what the allowed bugs are, and how to perform them. Then people have a better idea of what's hacking and what's bugging, and everyone is theoretically on a more level playing field.
I hate the idea of making the President lose health for just being on a bicycle. It's just not a solution, particularly when you'd be punishing, as you put it, 80+% of the server for something that a fraction of 20-% of the server do as President. I do agree that Greg LeMond Presidents are often unreasonably difficult to stop, even if you can keep up, because you can't have a gunner on a bike (easily) and it's difficult to driveby him and not the bike, which is invincible. I think it would be better to make the bike's health actually mean something. If the bike's health gets down to 250, blow it up like a car or better, make it "break" (unable to speed up, like you can't pedal). It would maybe be nice to give it a little more health than a car to start with, just so it isn't completely useless.
I think that the president can use any tactic, any way or any thing which none of them should be against the rules to survive. It’s his/her duty to survive.
Both are the same cases, terrorists need much effort to get the president, so I don’t think any of them should be implemented as i got convinced that president can use any way to survive.
When are you making your post suggesting that the President be able to fly Rustlers? It doesn't require nearly as much effort to kill a Rustler-flying President as the types of Presidents that you are now championing.
MTB is simply too OP.
Not really, it's just a little broken in the right hands, but not irreparably. I say that as someone who's not too great with them.
Can't Helikill,Can't pop tires, can't destroy,Smaller than Motorbikes (hard to aim at),Best thing to DB with, and vertical boost with decent horizontal speed makes it very easy to just skip through dividers,walls,deadends and what not.
You can't helikill because they're vehicles, they're slow, they can't take a passenger, they are not good to DB with at all (unless I'm really missing something), it's the rider who's hard to aim at, and the jumping just goes with the territory. See my suggestions for fixing this above- the biggest problem is that the bike itself has unlimited health and takes most of the shots, and my suggestion would fix that.
I also suggest to evenly divide MTB spawns to suit each class, 90% of MTB users are President or Civilians. If Penalty system is implemented for president, Civilians would become the OP ones and would cause imbalance.
I don't get how this would improve anything.
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+1
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I don't really agree. Yes, Mega Jumps is a powerful tool, which helps the president a lot, but so are the chainsaws. Both are OP when in the hands of a professional player, but for me, only mega jumping is the reason I survive while being the president, because sometimes, the security and the police don't always want to help the president, they just go kill terrorists, so the president is driven to use mega jumps just to survive. I, for example, stay in one place for a minute or two, then move to another place across town, or, even ride around the city, while the terrorists are on my tale
So -1 to this suggestion
I would make president lose health while on a bicycle, just like in aircraft or water (in which the president is way more vulnerable, btw), or maybe apply some kind of punishment when mega jumping (losing a bit of HP...).
But +1 to this suggestion
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Decrease health whenever pres abuses this bug, (maybe detect the height if the jump). It's okay if civs do ut, they r not worth attacking/chasing anyway.
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Decrease health whenever pres abuses this bug, (maybe detect the height if the jump). It's okay if civs do ut, they r not worth attacking/chasing anyway.
Why not doing the same with area 69 ?
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It’s actually not that hard to kill the president when being in bmx, I personally killed many using sniper and spas(if i find the video i will share it). It is kind of op but we need to deal with it, Presidents must be able to do what ever it takes to survive and mtb bikes are part of the game, we don’t need to make exceptions for presidents in using it.
@Yomama,
President flying rustler ? I don’t mind either, i’ll just take a rustler having a person on the wing and chase the president. Same goes with bmx, sniper and spas would be really helpful for it.
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You can't helikill because they're vehicles, they're slow, they can't take a passenger, they are not good to DB with at all (unless I'm really missing something), it's the rider who's hard to aim at, and the jumping just goes with the territory. See my suggestions for fixing this above- the biggest problem is that the bike itself has unlimited health and takes most of the shots, and my suggestion would fix that.
Won't really say MTB is slow at all consider it has is faster acceleration than most cars uphill and is pretty agile in tightly packed city areas and corners, and ye it's slower than NRG and can be DB'd while jumping and if you manage to control your wheelie well you can pretty much have a semi free aim.
But yes I agree with your fix to this.
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Decrease health whenever pres abuses this bug, (maybe detect the height if the jump). It's okay if civs do ut, they r not worth attacking/chasing anyway.
Why not doing the same with area 69 ?
What about area 69? If you are referring to blocking enterance of area 69, then it is not even a bug to punish for. And, people don't need to learn how to block entrance. They need to learn to use that hoping bug tho.
This is exactly why i didn't suggest health penalty for riding a bicycle , but only for abusing the mega hop bug.
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+1
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I think Terror Must Try hard To get president
This Thing is Not needed and president must be free to use mega jump
So -1
with respect
Thug.
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If presi is megajumping, use rustler tactics and it will be easy to chase.
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I think Terror Must Try hard To get president
This Thing is Not needed and president must be free to use mega jump
So -1
with respect
Thug.
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Just imagine Barto do that or other stunting maniac using this. I would never be able to get the President down. It's way too op for me.
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I think Terror Must Try hard To get president
This Thing is Not needed and president must be free to use mega jump
So -1
with respect
Thug.
If presi is megajumping, use rustler tactics and it will be easy to chase.
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Agree with both, So -1
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I'm not sure how I feel about making it illegal.
I know, nobody has suggested to make it illegal yet. This suggestion is about adding measures to make it a bit fairer, because right now it is too easy for one side and too hard for the other.
Giving damage to bicycles script-wise is possible, and it would definitely help in some sort of way. But in my opinion the effect would be modest. The difficulty of getting to shoot the president and his bicycle is extreme, so getting bicycle health from 1000 to 250 wouldn't be any easier than it is to kill the president by directly aiming at him.
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Let's make it clear
Lets try
>80% (or even more maybe?) of the players don't know how to mega jump with bicycles.
99% (or even more maybe?) of the players can not deal with YoMama in rustler. So, lets delete rustler... Oh no, wait, i have another idea. Istead of giving this players a chance to improve their skills LETS DELETE YOMAMA FROM THE SERVER!
>PTP has always been, in general, a bug free server. This means that you can play just like everyone else as long as you understand the game controls and have a bit of strategy. No hidden tricks, everybody has the same chance from the beginning.
Sweety, please, take you sniper rifle and through it`s glass watch on this "same chances from the beginning" again.
>In my opinion, forcing every attacker and defender to learn a bug really goes against the philosophy of the server.
The only "philosophy" this server has is being mentally challenged.
>I don't know about you, but I know how to mega jump and I still find really hard to get to shoot the president. They can simply spend the whole round hopping on buildings and, as soon as you hop on, they hop off from the opposite corner. And, on top of this, bicycles are indestructible.
Well, maybe because trying to DB someone with 300+ ping is pretty idiotic idea.
First of all, securities have the same problem "chasing" president.
Second, use nrg+shotgun to kill president in 1,5 seconds.
Third, use dodo to kick him off the roofs to ground full of terrorists.
Use your fucking snipers rifle.
Ram him with rustler.
OR use MTB. Maybe it will surprise you, but president can use only PRE-JUMP method, while you can use TEC BUMP. This TEC BUMP is easier and do not need "timings" to use it.
>I would make president lose health while on a bicycle
Basically, solving "problems" with "losing health" is the most retarded way to "solve them"
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99% (or even more maybe?) of the players can not deal with YoMama in rustler. So, lets delete rustler... Oh no, wait, i have another idea. Istead of giving this players a chance to improve their skills LETS DELETE YOMAMA FROM THE SERVER!
Presidents are already banned from flying Rustlers, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Keeping up with the president is the major gamemode goal. Keeping up with YoMama is not.
Sweety, please, take you sniper rifle and through it`s glass watch on this "same chances from the beginning" again.
If it depended on me, I would remove sniper rifles. But it doesn't really depend on me. I'm not responsible for paying for the hosting service, Jonne is. He is the one who is going to lose money if one day VIP purchases aren't enough to cover the costs.
First of all, securities have the same problem "chasing" president.
I didn't say they don't. In fact, everyone struggles to do their duties.
Second, use nrg+shotgun to kill president in 1,5 seconds.
NRGs can't hop on buildings like bicycles do. No way to keep up with the president.
Third, use dodo to kick him off the roofs to ground full of terrorists.
Ram him with rustler.
Aircraft is the only method that can work in some situation, I mentioned it in the original post. I definitely never said that it is impossible to hunt down a president on a bicycle. I just said that it is unreasonably easy for the president and unreasonably hard for everyone else.
Use your fucking snipers rifle.
As soon as you are in position to snipe, the president will move on to the next building out of your line of sight. And the cycle can easily repeat for 15 minutes.
OR use MTB. Maybe it will surprise you, but president can use only PRE-JUMP method, while you can use TEC BUMP. This TEC BUMP is easier and do not need "timings" to use it.
And what if I'm not familiar with this kind of bug abuse? Should I be forced to learn bugs if I want to do my duty? I thought that the goal was to get people to do their duty, not the opposite, Solod.
Even if I'm so determined to do my duty that I'm willing to learn this bug, nothing guarantees that the president won't just hop off the building as soon as I hop on. This another cycle that can easily repeat for 15 minutes.
>I would make president lose health while on a bicycle
Basically, solving "problems" with "losing health" is the most retarded way to "solve them"
Can you come up with a better (or, using vocabulary you understand, "less retarded") patch?
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No
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I asked Jonne in the past about using high jumps bug as a president,he told me it's not allowed because it gives you an advantage towerds the attacking team..but lately no one is getting punished for it because there is no such a clear rule about it.
+1 to this suggestion,iven its not fun using high jumps it make things easier.
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@Yomama,
President flying rustler ? I don’t mind either, i’ll just take a rustler having a person on the wing and chase the president. Same goes with bmx, sniper and spas would be really helpful for it.
My apologies, I guess I had you in my memory as one of the people against it. I've just never understood why people claim it is "unfair" when a) it isn't and b) bikes currently are actually unfair, and it doesn't take much skill at all to abuse that.
I asked Jonne in the past about using high jumps bug as a president,he told me it's not allowed because it gives you an advantage towerds the attacking team..but lately no one is getting punished for it because there is no such a clear rule about it.
+1 to this suggestion,iven its not fun using high jumps it make things easier.
I get annoyed by the invincible bike problem when they're jumping around at all; however, I don't see why jumping or megajumping wouldn't be fun if bikes actually would lose health. I guess you're saying that a lot of stunts that are difficult and require skill are easy with megajumping, so it kind of takes the art out of it? I'm not on bikes all the time though, so I'm genuinely curious why you think it wouldn't be fun to jump really high legally. We already do really high jumps anyway with NRGs, why not do it with bikes? Either way, if the bike could be destroyed it would still be vulnerable to planes.
I know, nobody has suggested to make it illegal yet.
...apply some kind of punishment when mega jumping (losing a bit of HP, removing the president for the bike and forcing him to get on again, despawn health and armor pickups...).
Removing the President from the bike sounds a lot like making it illegal.
Giving damage to bicycles script-wise is possible, and it would definitely help in some sort of way. But in my opinion the effect would be modest. The difficulty of getting to shoot the president and his bicycle is extreme, so getting bicycle health from 1000 to 250 wouldn't be any easier than it is to kill the president by directly aiming at him.
Difficulty is extreme? Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man. It's worth a try, and if it doesn't help to treat them like normal vehicles, why not just give the bike less health? I don't suggest these things just so that they can just be nixed; I'm usually hoping that someone can build on them. "No, it wouldn't work" without at least thinking of a way to make it work isn't productive.
99% (or even more maybe?) of the players can not deal with YoMama in rustler. So, lets delete rustler... Oh no, wait, i have another idea. Istead of giving this players a chance to improve their skills LETS DELETE YOMAMA FROM THE SERVER!
Presidents are already banned from flying Rustlers, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Keeping up with the president is the major gamemode goal. Keeping up with YoMama is not.
I think the point he's trying to make is pretty simple, whether it involves me or not. He's saying that this is basically making something that is fair illegal just because the majority of the server can't handle it (even though they could all handle it if they put in the effort and learned). This is true with Rustlers, where everyone has exactly the same equipment and running is a disadvantage, but I don't think so with bikes. It is actually often near impossible to kill the President on a bike because it can't be destroyed like an ordinary vehicle, which it makes it unfair for a class whose only goal is to kill the President.
Rustlers are like a boxing match with every attribute equal. If your tactic is to run, you're screwed because the only real defense is offense (the only place where you're safe from the other person's guns if when you're behind them). Invincible mountain bike chases are like a boxing match where both players are padded so hits do little damage, yet only one boxer wins by knocking the other out, and the other just gets credit for surviving.
(also, keeping up with me or any other player is the major gamemode goal if that player is the President, which I think was the circumstance that SoLoD was doing a bad job of describing)
Can you come up with a better (or, using vocabulary you understand, "less retarded") patch?
Why are you asking him? I've already come up with two:
TL; DR:
Just to be clear, since in my long post this may have been obscured, I suggested two things to make bikes in general more fair, megajumping included or not:
...have a command or menu in game that tells you what the allowed bugs are, and how to perform them [like how to mega jump]. Then people have a better idea of what's hacking and what's bugging, and everyone is theoretically on a more level playing field.
...make the bike's health actually mean something. If the bike's health gets down to 250, blow it up like a car or better, make it "break" (unable to speed up, like you can't pedal). It would maybe be nice to give it a little more health than a car to start with, just so it isn't completely useless. [or less than a car, if it's too hard to destroy]
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Removing the President from the bike sounds a lot like making it illegal.
Illegal, by definition, is something against the rules or law. I don't think anyone has suggested to modify the rules.
Removing the president from the bicycle and forcing him to get on again from time to time is just an artificial disadvantage you can add to make things more balanced, probably not the subtlest one, but there are hundreds of others.
Difficulty is extreme? Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man. It's worth a try, and if it doesn't help to treat them like normal vehicles, why not just give the bike less health? I don't suggest these things just so that they can just be nixed; I'm usually hoping that someone can build on them. "No, it wouldn't work" without at least thinking of a way to make it work isn't productive.
It's definitely more than my opinion. Imagine the president riding a bicycle and now think what the rear or side views of that look like. The bicycle is small, thin and hard to hit. The president's back is totally vulnerable to attackers behind. If getting to shoot a president on a bike was easy (it is not), it would be much easier to directly hit the president, rather than his bike, for the reason I mentioned. So I'm just saying that we already have the option of shooting at the president and it doesn't really help, it's still incredibly hard to get to do it, shooting at the bicycle won't make the difference.
Rustlers are like a boxing match with every attribute equal. If your tactic is to run, you're screwed because the only real defense is offense (the only place where you're safe from the other person's guns if when you're behind them). Invincible mountain bike chases are like a boxing match where both players are padded so hits do little damage, yet only one boxer wins by knocking the other out, and the other just gets credit for surviving.
Yeah, that's very accurate.
Why are you asking him? I've already come up with two:
Because Solod's contributions to this board are primarily based on letting us know who and what he hates, dedicating a bunch of insults to the person or thing he hates and fly away without suggesting anything better. It would be really comforting if he adopted a constructive attitude but, you know, pointing with your finger and yelling is easy, coming up with solutions is not.
Yes, I know that you've come up with two solutions, that's great. We already discussed the second one above, it would help but the effect would be too modest. As for the first one, it would help, but I think that learning this bug takes more than a brief explanation on a dialog box. I've seen players that are very familiar with SA-MP, I consider myself to be among them, struggling to properly use this bug. Now, on top of that, add that a relevant part of players don't speak English (so that explanation would have to be multilingual) and that another part doesn't even master the basics of the game. Yes, you can say that if they didn't learn, that's their responsibility. But, to be honest, players' motivation to follow their duties has always been wobbly. The more players that take part in the duty game, the more fun it usually is. So, in my opinion, any new measures should strengthen that motivation. I don't think that finding out that you have to learn a bug, one that isn't exactly easy to learn, is the best way to strengthen it. Plus, as I said in the original post, mastering the bug (a new player that just read the dialog won't master it, that's for sure) doesn't really guarantee that you'll have serious chances to shoot at the president.
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Mia sorry I can't read long essays.
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Most of the players are still not aware of mega jumping with cycle and I really don't see many players using it and terrors getting annoyed. In my opinion, this shouldn't be restricted for President as it is a very simple way to escape when all securities near President are killed. However, setting punishment of losing health(as said above) after each MEGA jump(not normal jump) will be fine enough.
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Let's make it clear
Lets try
>80% (or even more maybe?) of the players don't know how to mega jump with bicycles.
99% (or even more maybe?) of the players can not deal with YoMama in rustler. So, lets delete rustler... Oh no, wait, i have another idea. Istead of giving this players a chance to improve their skills LETS DELETE YOMAMA FROM THE SERVER!
>PTP has always been, in general, a bug free server. This means that you can play just like everyone else as long as you understand the game controls and have a bit of strategy. No hidden tricks, everybody has the same chance from the beginning.
Sweety, please, take you sniper rifle and through it`s glass watch on this "same chances from the beginning" again.
>In my opinion, forcing every attacker and defender to learn a bug really goes against the philosophy of the server.
The only "philosophy" this server has is being mentally challenged.
>I don't know about you, but I know how to mega jump and I still find really hard to get to shoot the president. They can simply spend the whole round hopping on buildings and, as soon as you hop on, they hop off from the opposite corner. And, on top of this, bicycles are indestructible.
Well, maybe because trying to DB someone with 300+ ping is pretty idiotic idea.
First of all, securities have the same problem "chasing" president.
Second, use nrg+shotgun to kill president in 1,5 seconds.
Third, use dodo to kick him off the roofs to ground full of terrorists.
Use your fucking snipers rifle.
Ram him with rustler.
OR use MTB. Maybe it will surprise you, but president can use only PRE-JUMP method, while you can use TEC BUMP. This TEC BUMP is easier and do not need "timings" to use it.
>I would make president lose health while on a bicycle
Basically, solving "problems" with "losing health" is the most retarded way to "solve them"
Agreed on every single word.
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Because Solod's contributions to this board are primarily based on letting us know who and what he hates, dedicating a bunch of insults to the person or thing he hates and fly away without suggesting anything better. It would be really comforting if he adopted a constructive attitude but, you know, pointing with your finger and yelling is easy, coming up with solutions is not.
What i really hate is when someone posting something completely impractical AND at the same time this someone thinking that this something has anything to do with what-this-server-needs. All these "small" questions like "president using rustler" or "using bike", they are part of higher-tier question. In this case, this question is all about that "PTP`s philosophy". Because the primal idea of this fucking gamemode since 2006 is: PRESIDENT DO WHATEVER HE WANTS.
But no, you are coming here and say that terrorists do not like that, and now they will tell PRESIDENT WHAT HE CAN DO and call this bullshit "philosophy". Because like it or not, but EVERY SINGLE BUG IS A PART OF THIS GAME. And Instead of adjusting to the conditions, you are trying to adjust this conditions to what you like. In this case, YOU do not like this bug and want to delete it from gamemode. Instead of "everyone struggles to do their duties".
President-in-rustler was deleted from the server for the exactly same reason: somenen like you decided that deleting something is a way better thing than improving skills.
Following Yomama IS server`s goal when he is president.
All your examples like "it is hard", "president will run to another spot" is bullshit. I was chasing president with nrgs, dodos, mtbs, helicopters. It is NOT harder compare to when president use any other vehicle to run.
You are saying that when presi camps and you use sniper rifle, he will run away. But you are not saying that you will be able to do at least 2 shots BEFORE he will start to move and that is ~100 damage. You are saying that for some reason using MTB for presi is "easy" and at the same time for everyone else it is "hard". This is bullshit.
You are saying that learning bugs is not your duty. Bugs, like skills or vip features are nothing but an instruments. They give you an advantage, but it is always up to you to use them or not. In this case you are acting like: i do not want to increase my MTB skills AND as long as i do not want anyone with this skill to have advantage against me, i want this MTB thing to be REMOVED from the server.
Now, let me tell you one important thing. If we compare this server to what it was in 2008, we will see, that avarage regular today knows only one thing: how to camp on armor spawn and once a few minutes go away to respawn it. He do not has a decent air skill, nrg skill, mtb skill. You open your mouth to talk about "philosophy", but for decade it was about duality: combat skills AND stunt skills. And the reason you do not see a stunting part is exact players like you. They do not want someone once in a 50 president runs to do something uncommon. No, you do not want someone as president to take a MTB. What you do want is this man to do exactly same thing as previous 49 presidents did.
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SOLOD just said the truth.
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Most of the players are still not aware of mega jumping with cycle and I really don't see many players using it and terrors getting annoyed. In my opinion, this shouldn't be restricted for President as it is a very simple way to escape when all securities near President are killed. However, setting punishment of losing health(as said above) after each MEGA jump(not normal jump) will be fine enough.
Can it be done?
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Solod dood she didn't say anything about removing it, just health penalty.
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i agree with all what Solod said in his last reply .
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Because Solod's contributions to this board are primarily based on letting us know who and what he hates, dedicating a bunch of insults to the person or thing he hates and fly away without suggesting anything better. It would be really comforting if he adopted a constructive attitude but, you know, pointing with your finger and yelling is easy, coming up with solutions is not.
What i really hate is when someone posting something completely impractical AND at the same time this someone thinking that this something has anything to do with what-this-server-needs. All these "small" questions like "president using rustler" or "using bike", they are part of higher-tier question. In this case, this question is all about that "PTP`s philosophy". Because the primal idea of this fucking gamemode since 2006 is: PRESIDENT DO WHATEVER HE WANTS.
But no, you are coming here and say that terrorists do not like that, and now they will tell PRESIDENT WHAT HE CAN DO and call this bullshit "philosophy". Because like it or not, but EVERY SINGLE BUG IS A PART OF THIS GAME. And Instead of adjusting to the conditions, you are trying to adjust this conditions to what you like. In this case, YOU do not like this bug and want to delete it from gamemode. Instead of "everyone struggles to do their duties".
President-in-rustler was deleted from the server for the exactly same reason: somenen like you decided that deleting something is a way better thing than improving skills.
Following Yomama IS server`s goal when he is president.
All your examples like "it is hard", "president will run to another spot" is bullshit. I was chasing president with nrgs, dodos, mtbs, helicopters. It is NOT harder compare to when president use any other vehicle to run.
You are saying that when presi camps and you use sniper rifle, he will run away. But you are not saying that you will be able to do at least 2 shots BEFORE he will start to move and that is ~100 damage. You are saying that for some reason using MTB for presi is "easy" and at the same time for everyone else it is "hard". This is bullshit.
You are saying that learning bugs is not your duty. Bugs, like skills or vip features are nothing but an instruments. They give you an advantage, but it is always up to you to use them or not. In this case you are acting like: i do not want to increase my MTB skills AND as long as i do not want anyone with this skill to have advantage against me, i want this MTB thing to be REMOVED from the server.
Now, let me tell you one important thing. If we compare this server to what it was in 2008, we will see, that avarage regular today knows only one thing: how to camp on armor spawn and once a few minutes go away to respawn it. He do not has a decent air skill, nrg skill, mtb skill. You open your mouth to talk about "philosophy", but for decade it was about duality: combat skills AND stunt skills. And the reason you do not see a stunting part is exact players like you. They do not want someone once in a 50 president runs to do something uncommon. No, you do not want someone as president to take a MTB. What you do want is this man to do exactly same thing as previous 49 presidents did.
I killed Uthar yesterday, he was MTB whoring and I was hoping on my friend's nrg using sniper, easy.
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Because you dont know how to drive a rustler or how to bhop this should be banned?
Wrong decision you guys did.
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Because you dont know how to drive a rustler or how to bhop this should be banned?
Wrong decision you guys did.
I don't know about your ability to "drive" Rustlers or bhop, but your reading comprehension needs some work.
Nobody said it should be banned, I clearly said that I can bhop, I clearly said that being able to bhop after president doesn't make it much easier
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If somebody ask me how to do the megajump, I always try to explain them how to do that, but sometimes the players dont have patience to learn the mega jump also if they don’t know the jump they can use helis, rustlers and grenades to stop presidents, I really often do that mega jump while I play as president and with advantage I dont survive always, sometimes is lucky survive in that way and in my last 3 times using that jump I died 2 times.
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If somebody ask me how to do the megajump, I always try to explain them how to do that, but sometimes the players dont have patience to learn the mega jump also if they don’t know the jump they can use helis, rustlers and grenades to stop presidents, I really often do that mega jump while I play as president and with advantage I dont survive always, sometimes is lucky survive in that way and in my last 3 times using that jump I died 2 times.
This is exactly what I have tried to tell.
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As mentioned that 80% or more of the players didn't know how to do Mega Jump. Then why are we suggesting something that restricts someone to use this? Seeing a president using MTB rarely happens. Yes it's OP, but only if you chase the President alone, that is why you need to cooperate in order for you to succeed
This is a game that needs skills and strategy to win.
Blocking the Entrance, Mega Jump etc. Are part of those strategies. Removing or restricting these strategies just because you cant keep up or you find it hard to deal with is not really a good idea. It would only take us to the most common way (running around, camping at ships or any place you find secure) which is really Easy kill for Terrorists.
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Most of the players are still not aware of mega jumping with cycle and I really don't see many players using it and terrors getting annoyed. In my opinion, this shouldn't be restricted for President as it is a very simple way to escape when all securities near President are killed. However, setting punishment of losing health(as said above) after each MEGA jump(not normal jump) will be fine enough.
Can it be done?
Why not? Just proper scripting is needed.
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Let's remove bhop for president.
Let's remove president standing on shamal.
Let's remove tapping forward in NRG.
BECAUSE ITS SO OP OMG.
Yeah sure, let's remove everythung and suck the fun out of this game until we are left with something only couple of players enjoy.
Lol the suggestion board is better than 9gag
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I dont know howto bunnyhop
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But i like to look at the people that can!
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big yes
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I dont know howto bunnyhop
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But i like to look at the people that can!
I know how that feels. :(
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As mentioned that 80% or more of the players didn't know how to do Mega Jump. Then why are we suggesting something that restricts someone to use this? Seeing a president using MTB rarely happens. Yes it's OP, but only if you chase the President alone, that is why you need to cooperate in order for you to succeed
This is a game that needs skills and strategy to win.
Blocking the Entrance, Mega Jump etc. Are part of those strategies. Removing or restricting these strategies just because you cant keep up or you find it hard to deal with is not really a good idea. It would only take us to the most common way (running around, camping at ships or any place you find secure) which is really Easy kill for Terrorists.
This might help you Mia, maybe even for your upcoming restriction suggestions.
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I don't think it's that big of an issue, first off, but if it really is, then I think it would be better to have a command or menu in game that tells you what the allowed bugs are, and how to perform them. Then people have a better idea of what's hacking and what's bugging, and everyone is theoretically on a more level playing field.
This is pretty much how I feel about this suggestion. I don't believe that PTP, as a TDM server, should apply restrictions regarding bug usage on anything other than weapons. If we go down this road, who's to say that taking advantage of other vehicle-related bugs is just and fair? It will be much more exciting if players are taught how to use these tricks to their advantage.
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We won't be adding such rule.