Plan B
Off Topic => Off Topic => Topic started by: Altus_Demens on June 11, 2020, 05:42:26 pm
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It's good when everything is clearly black or white. When there are knights and knaves. Elves and orcs. Adherents of true faith and filthy pagans.
- If a Knight admin repeatedly (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg53944#msg53944) abuses (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=6070.0), well, it's a mistake that should be forgiven and forgotten. If a Knave admin enforces (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=6041.0) a rule the Knights do not like, she is to be subjected for execution.
- If another Knight admin gets demoted, it is unfair because he was just protecting his clan (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=6096.msg53908#msg53908). If the Knave admin punishes (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=6142.0) someone even for the rule which everybody agreed about long time ago, it's yet another example of her dirty abuse.
- If a Knight uses visual mods, they are just enhancing their game experience (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=1489.msg13006#msg13006). If a knave states this reason, it is stupid and pathetic (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=6237.msg55374#msg55374).
- If a Knight gets banned for aimbot twice (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=5857.0)... Well, we won't even mention it, it's just a game! If a Knave uses a mod which doesn't give any real advantage, it was surely allowed by fucking cunts (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=6237.msg55284#msg55284).
- A real Knight doesn't need (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=6237.msg55387#msg55387) to read any stupid essays written by a Knave. If a Knave tries to explain herself, it only deserves (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=6237.msg55388#msg55388) to be mocked.
- If a Knight abuses the technical imperfectness of the server and uses Knighty mods, it's a good reason to boast (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg53129#msg53129) with it. If a Knight is mistaking (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=6232.0) about a Knave's mod, it happens.
- A friendship among the Knights is a noble thing, and playing in the opposing teams is not a reason not to team up. A friendship among the Knaves is only worth despising and mocking.
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It's good to see that our server consists mostly of knights. The knaves should be ashamed of their mere existance.
I know that you dream of Mia and I getting demoted, banned, rangebanned and even better killed IRL. Of mutilating our banned accounts, and making a feast upon our bones, and then removing any trace of our past presense. Of making Plan B a paradise of the Knights.
It would actually be politically correct for Jonne to sacrifice Mia (and me shortly thereafter) to make the Knights happy. Despite the Knighty theories, Mia and I are not even friends to Jonne. Hitler sacrificed Ernst Rohm, his friend and ideological ally, at the Night of Long Knives to gain control over the SA. Why doesn't Jonne do the same? I want to think that PTP is not a political arena and it's more important for him to act in accordance with his consciousness rather than to meet the expectations of the community at any cost.
However, are you sure that this will satisfy you? :) That you won't need another Enemy as a unifying factor? For example, Carg who bans aimbotters no matter which clan they belong to. Or Skittles who dares to remind to the Knighty resigned admin that he used to abuse in the past as well. Or Jonne who is:
- either too silent, arrogant and distant from the community or rants too much instead of working on the server?
- too lenient as he doesn't remove the Knave admin because you don't like him or too strict for removing the Knighty one for abuse?
- too lazy for not making updates or making the stupid ones which kill the PTP sprit having been here for, cough, 14 years?
When a hobby brings you more negative feelings than the positive, it is a bad sign. Had you really joined the server called Protect the President for the first time, back in the past, for this? Are you, mostly adult people, so bored during the quarantine that you enjoy these midget wars over nothing?
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Posting old topics wont change anything. Why dont you accept the fact that an admin just used illegal mods ?
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How sad , poor Knave.
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Oh Altus...
You're blowing it out of proportions...
''...and even better killed IRL. ...'' really?
Fact is, she used a mod that gave her advantage over other players...Why else would she use it?
I believe everyone is upset because this kind of arrangement between Jonne and Mia was made privately while letting everyone else in the dark about it... Thinking it is forbidden to use or whatever... And players actually got banned for similar kind of mods, that maybe give more advantage(or not)..But who's to decide when that advantage is too big? Why not just leave it at 0 advantage...?
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Altus please now you are the one provoking players for more hatred.
sometimes i want to play i find 10 players ingame so i don't,forum's topics have an impact on game.
go play you all enough of shity talk.
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See people?! How many times has it been?! As soon as Mia makes a mistake,Altus posts a topic either on Off-Topic or somewhere else where others are criticizing her actions.
Isn't this disallowed?! Covering someone who has broken a rule or rules?!
It's like kindergarden,someone makes a mistake,then his/her friend comes and instead of accepting the fact that she/he made a mistake,defends him/her AND the worse part,makes fun of OTHERS.
We ain't blind pal you hear this. Someone asslicks to get higher positions in this game and someone else seeks the facts. Look for your asslickers because this time the shit is very smelly.
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THE players must vote and choose WHICHEVER mods they want Jonne to disallow if it's "STILL A COMMUNITY BASED SERVER" .
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you use a mod that adds a stamina bar to your HUD. Basically, you can keep track of your stamina level and avoid drying it up, while the rest of us are completely unaware of it and when it runs out, we just have to deal with it. Would you please send me a link to the poll for the community to decide if you were allowed to use it? I'm pretty sure you made it, as a deeply democratic guy you are.
Also, if you don't mind, would you ask your clan mate Fares where is his poll for using an anime skin mod that was like half as tall as the default? Also, it would be great to check out where your clan leader Ghostz asked the community for permission to use aimbot to win GgT's wars. What about Niks or iDanz0r? Polls pls?
The conclusion can be Mia end up demoted and punished,you end up punished for cooperating with her,Jonne apologizing to the community for NOT TELLING THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THE MESS.
Ok, let's apply your logic then. Ahmed is using sprinthook. Jonne seems to be OK with it, for now. If we decide that sprinthook is no longer allowed, we can ban Ahmed right away without previous notice, right?
Also, we're not going to be punishing retroactively for this, as I gave her permission to use it in the first place. I don't think anyone would like it if I told them it's okay to use a particular mod, then 2 weeks later tell them "You know what, I changed my mind, you're banned"....
It's clear as crystal, Hamoon, you want me out no matter what and the method to achieve that is irrelevant for you. But I suggest you not to leave logic and coherence aside. I don't think anyone can take you seriously if your words don't match your actions.
Altus please now you are the one provoking players for more hatred.
sometimes i want to play i find 10 players ingame so i don't,forum's topics have an impact on game.
go play you all enough of shity talk.
today it was cloudy and it drizzled a bit, something unusual for spring-summer in Spain, forum's topics have an impact on weather
#ArabianeLogic
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i dont understand this community anymore
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FOUL KNAVE
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Ok, let's apply your logic then. Ahmed is using sprinthook. Jonne seems to be OK with it, for now. If we decide that sprinthook is no longer allowed, we can ban Ahmed right away without previous notice, right?
Kidding me ??? admins posted on forums it is allowed, then I just tried it to check if it gives extra speed or not, I'am against it.
Skin changer wasn't announced her on forums, you just used it and after you got reported and caught they announced it is allowed.
Also, the mod which shows the stamina bar doesn't change anything for the other players, you got like 1 minute and a half to lose stamina, that bar just counts the stamina left, so you can also use a timer outside game or count it by yourself, but when you change normal skin to beta ones other players see the normal skin turns as the beta, so it is not the same.
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Well the Knave shod speak for themselves, it's so poor of the knave to have someone do this
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THE players must vote and choose WHICHEVER mods they want Jonne to disallow if it's "STILL A COMMUNITY BASED SERVER" .
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you use a mod that adds a stamina bar to your HUD. Basically, you can keep track of your stamina level and avoid drying it up, while the rest of us are completely unaware of it and when it runs out, we just have to deal with it. Would you please send me a link to the poll for the community to decide if you were allowed to use it? I'm pretty sure you made it, as a deeply democratic guy you are.
Also, if you don't mind, would you ask your clan mate Fares where is his poll for using an anime skin mod that was like half as tall as the default? Also, it would be great to check out where your clan leader Ghostz asked the community for permission to use aimbot to win GgT's wars. What about Niks or iDanz0r? Polls pls?
The conclusion can be Mia end up demoted and punished,you end up punished for cooperating with her,Jonne apologizing to the community for NOT TELLING THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THE MESS.
Ok, let's apply your logic then. Ahmed is using sprinthook. Jonne seems to be OK with it, for now. If we decide that sprinthook is no longer allowed, we can ban Ahmed right away without previous notice, right?
Also, we're not going to be punishing retroactively for this, as I gave her permission to use it in the first place. I don't think anyone would like it if I told them it's okay to use a particular mod, then 2 weeks later tell them "You know what, I changed my mind, you're banned"....
It's clear as crystal, Hamoon, you want me out no matter what and the method to achieve that is irrelevant for you. But I suggest you not to leave logic and coherence aside. I don't think anyone can take you seriously if your words don't match your actions.
Altus please now you are the one provoking players for more hatred.
sometimes i want to play i find 10 players ingame so i don't,forum's topics have an impact on game.
go play you all enough of shity talk.
today it was cloudy and it drizzled a bit, something unusual for spring-summer in Spain, forum's topics have an impact on weather
#ArabianeLogic
Looks like you don't understand.
Mods like Stamina bar are visual mods,not the mods you use. Google it to find out more about them.
As I said you're just too silly to accept your mistake and punishment,but still you're trying to change your cards lol.
Fares' skin mod is legal unlike your mod,it doesn't change anything as it's only a visual mod. It's neither "very" small to be called small mod nor too big. The damage box is still the same.
And again same old bullshits lol.
This shemale is living in the past. Instead of crying about what happened back then think of what you have done right now. You already have broken more rules than anyone else here behind the scenes,always start a silly conversations after shits you made to explain them for your own GOOD. Same old plans.
Mia you can't even detect someone who uses sprint hook lol and now you say Ahmed used sprinthook?!
Funny as fuck latino babe.
But you know here's a tip from me,go to control settings then change the sprinting key to Scroll.
After that tell me how can you notice that person using sprint hook,huh?!
You simply can't . You can also fuck up your hand by pressing Space rapidly to run as fast as a sprint hook user. But if you want to catch one and then say "Hey I just banned a sprint hook user I'm so op I deserve to be someone like Carg and sit on King's chair". No Mia it ain't gonna happen,keep dreaming about it.
I don't know under what condition you think that all my goals are demoting and getting you banned. Trust me Mia you're the least player I care and make myself tired of thinking about you lol.
The only thing matters right now is that you have broken rules by using illegal mods and haven't been punished yet. Either you're just a stupid human being among other humans.
You're not even one nail of Arabiane's,Mia avoid scratching his balls. Your 1 year's salary is his 1 month of payment.
#keepgaming
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damn you old fuckers its getting out of hands, whats even the fight about lol?
Like a player used a mod, community just thinks this is illegal and the player should be banned. lol what the fuck?
I've used crashes.asi in the past on my pc to increase fps which got banned afterwards. It provided you advantages while falling, you don't lose health and i myself experienced it. I just wanted a playable fps so i kept using it. And when that mod got banned here in the server, I didn't get banned, as *it was not illegal to use the mod*, and yea if you do it now you get banned for it. See the difference? If the mod is unacceptable it should be banned, but that doesn't mean the person using it should be banned. Just because it was an admin whom half of the server hates, it doesn't mean it justifies this fucked up shit that'd been going on here for a while now.
I know that you dream of Mia and I getting demoted, banned, rangebanned and even better killed IRL.
This was way over exaggerated.
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what is that ? :DDDDDDDDDD
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Also, if you don't mind, would you ask your clan mate Fares where is his poll for using an anime skin mod that was like half as tall as the default?
Yeah you are wrong here, the mod which I use has the same height as the default skins and the staff members agreed on that or else I wouldn't be recording videos. My case is different than yours, you toggle the mod you use which is really illogical to me when you said it is allowed and that you have Jonne's permission. You toggle it because it does more than what you say now in my case, I have the visual mod on all the time, I don't remove it while I record..
Also, there has never been any complaint from players against me "not receiving hits" whereas multiple people have complained about your movement. So I don't understand the reason of mentioning my name or the mod I use, many use it not just me.
~Fares
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What if it was someone else using the cleo skin changer, wouldn’t these two have had acted the complete opposite? Allowing this mod wasn’t necessarily, if anything, just change your appearance without the need to use a cleo to reflect a skin you’re not actually using in your screen. It will most likely act similar to health hacking if there’s a tiny size difference, if hit in body parts that aren’t the same in your screen. Wasn’t that the reason that crashes.asi had been prohibited (possibly not taking damage in certain scenarios)? The same applies to this.
And I’ve noticed that Mia uses a modified beta skin with ID 192’s txd/dff + cleo skinchanger. So double modified skin
There’s 300+ skins to choose from, I can’t think of anything else to say. Stop exaggerating everything in this game/server, a lot of the player base hate playing because of your doing, get your shit together
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It's good when everything is clearly black or white. When there are knights and knaves. Elves and orcs. Adherents of true faith and filthy pagans.
Bla bla bla ....
We get that Mia is your friend & you blindly trust her ,
so Altus tell me, does that mod give even 0.00001% advantage or not ?
if yes - you are covering her for her mistakes & protecting an abuser.
We don't hate you or Mia , we don't wanna get you killed IRL or get demoted
All we want is Her to apologize to all members for being an unfair staff member by abusing this time .
Instead of apologizing she is arrogant that level 5's n jonne allowed it etc while she knew its advantages.
Jonne can keep her as staff or promote her to level 5 , that's none of our concern.
Just cut the crappy cock n bull stories & face the truth instead.
@Mia - this topic is about "YOU" so better give explanations instead of blaming others for using mods / hacks, You are a staff member - just ban players using illegal mods instead of diverting the topic here.
Toggle of that mod at 00:08 is what worries me as saurabh pointed - you both are never giving answers & that is fishy .
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As someone who plays clean, there are cheaters all around and it's tolerated for some reason. People using c-bugs killing people, get kicked, join back, killing people with c-bug again, which means it's basically allowed. For some reason people run faster and move faster.
Everyone here who uses faster skin has an advantage over a newbie and is a cheater himself and no higher on the moral order than Mia.
Unless all this shit that gives advantage over a newbie is disallowed, people will compete to find loopholes and mods that will make them better
Mia spelled backwards is Aim, this warrants demotion
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forbid all of these modifications that gives advantages and remove the shitty fast skins too
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As we already said your administrator team is ruining the community
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As we already said your administrator team is ruining the community
I don't imagine Friauf/Fimpen would've allowed such thing, and (I'm not saying Nikola and Quido are bad), it's just they were really strict when it comes to modifications and cleos that are actually suspicious. They would have replied something similar to this "A normal skin is a normal, you can't modify it and make it a beta skin, you want a beta skin then use a damn beta skin" why would anyone question the fact that modding skins is always suspicious? let alone modifying a beta skin into another skin that does not have the same size %100. And the Staff are most likely divided about it, not only the players, what the hell is going on? Why is it necessary to exaggerate every single thing? as a community that is supposed to have respected Staff team we're getting a divided Staff team, we're over the Surfing thing and now we're on this crap. And the longer this crap goes, the community is losing it's players who are sick and tired of two bitch-like behaving morons having everything their way somehow
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Wow Altus, you gave all examples on me. But your examples are really non-related to eachother which you used in the same sentence.
You just made it worst Altus, you trying to brainwash people by giving some quotes from old times which has no clue about today's tricky two-faced staff did to gain advantage on players for a long time. It is sad but I agree with my ingame enemies in this topic. (like as you gave an example on your post, they were my enemies as you can see on quotes).
Even I agree with my enemies on this topic because you both Mia & Altus, kept killing us for a LONG LONG time and keeping it secret, toggling on/off with the skin moves and visual skin hacks. I was wondering how were you able to avoid sniper shots against 6 guys vs you both. Now I can see that was not about being "pro", but that was about being "pro toggling".
I agree with you all in this topic who still trying to find some justice because got killed unfairly ingame for A YEAR LONG by secretly game mods. Those people are mad, not because you are admin or moderator. People are mad just because you tricked them for a long time and kept it secret, by toggling it on sometimes to gain advantage on them. You better know that it has REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING "ADMIN KNIGHT".
It is all about being HONEST. Not only demotion you deserve, You deserve punishment for this tricky hacks with BAN. Fucking old admins.. We need them back. Fuck this shitty staff playing tricky, untrustworthy against players. How the fuck this can happen?
This is not the first, not the second or third. Do we have to make a list for those staff mistakes? We need warning level for staff also. And I think Mia already got the golden medal by taking all warnings..
You just proved how wrong you both were up there Altus, good job!
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I see there's a misunderstanding about what level 5 admins' powers and duties actually are, so I'll try to clarify. The majority of final decisions on this server regarding the management of the server, be it implementation of updates and rules or promotion/demotion of admins and mods, are made by the level 5 team, including Jonne. Quido and I closely discuss with him issues like those mentioned above, based on our own opinions and the opinions of other staff members and the community in general. This is done to ensure that decisions are made by accounting different views and perspectives from multiple members of the community, and not just the opinions of decision-makers.
Members of the community usually compare how the staff works now to how it worked on the original server, during Tenshi's times. Admins there undoubtedly had more freedom in determining what actions to take in a wide array of situations. However, this had a nasty side effect, wherein admins could very easily make rash decisions or, even worse, abuse the players and the server rules for their own amusement. It was like this even back in 2010/2011 and, from what I hear, it hadn't changed one bit before the old server ceased to exist. But, this is not how the Plan B admin team functions, level 5 admins included.
So, the most obvious upside of Plan B's server management style is that everyone can state their views and opinions on any issue they see fit, no matter how far or close that issue might be to their "jurisdiction" on the server. However, decisions can sometimes be quickly made if a certain issue isn't perceived to be serious. When that happens, miscalculations are bound to happen more often.
This had an effect on Jonne deciding whether to allow Mia's mod or not. He believed that the mod was not a big deal and decided to allow it, without consulting either of the level 5's. There is no hidden agenda or toxic friendships to encourage admin abuse, as some would like to believe. There's simply a side-effect of Plan B's management system's periodical inclination to resolve certain issues prematurely. This is why I have always personally believed that there should be a "division of labor" when it comes to server management, with multiple people being able to make final decisions in separate aspects of server management. This would surely mean a smaller number of misjudgements. But, once again, Jonne is the sole owner of the server and I will respect his decision on server management, even if I don't agree with it.
As he stated in another topic, the community's overwhelmingly negative opinion of the aforementioned modification will be taken into account, which means that it will highly likely be disallowed.
Also, I strongly disagree with the attitude of the original post. Making issues personal will almost never lead to constructive discussions.
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These are some wise words from @nikola ..i feel this pretty much sums up Everything . What's done is done!! ...even i was under wrong impression that the Mia's mod wasn't such a big deal compared to amount of people making hue and cry .
I suppose jonne should now take up a final decision over this and also should initiate a list of categories / arena where modifications are allowed to avoid future ambiguities and confusion.
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Yes, I did exaggerate things in the original post. The situation which we are currently in is absurdous, and the best way to show it is to "reverse" the absurd, which is what I have done. Niko is right, however, it's time to put the emotions aside and go constructive.
What is going on now is a model witch-hunting. At first, Mia was reported for using fastped.cs. I think that most of the players (including me) were not aware that this mod does even exist. As much as I understood, it makes all turns instant, which is obviously far more than using a fast skin. At this point I understand the wrath of the community. If Mia used it, she would have gotten demoted and banned for the hack classified as Tier 2.
However, both Mia and Jonne explained what mod Mia actually used. She also posted a link to it. Did it stop the witch-hunting? No, it continued with renewed vigor. There were so many accusations regarding this mod which have nothing to do with reality. The worst thing is that it shouldn't have happened in the first place. Any player could download the mod by Mia's link and check whether what they're accusing us for is true or not.
Let me summarize everything regarding this situation in a small FAQ:
Q: This is fastped.cs, and I've seen in the video that it makes characters rotate like in a whirlpool!
A: This is not the same mod, this one is called skinchanger.cs. It does the following: it simply replaces the skin which is given to you by the server (let's call it S1), to any other skin available in the game (let's call it S2). The change happens after tying the client command: /fskin [skin id] So you see S2 while everyone still sees S1.
The fast skin trick is the following. Imagine that you want your favourite skin, in my case 73, to turn like a fast skin (for example, 272). In GTA3.img, you replace the .txd (texture) and .dff (model) files of the skin 272 to those of the skin 73. After that, you go ingame. The server gives you your normal skin (in my case, 73). Then you use /fskin 272, so your local skin is 272. But since you replaced the texture and the model of the skin 272 to skin 73, you keep seeing your old skin (and everyone else do), but the ped movements, which are used, belong to the skin 272. That's the only thing this mod makes.
Q: What you've described gives an unfair advantage and should be classified as a hack.
A: Formally, you are right. The hitboxes of many slow skins are smaller than those of fast skins. However, the difference between the hitboxes is very small, so there is just no way to abuse the "advantage". There is no need to believe my words, you can try it yourself and you'll see: there is no magic, it will not help you in a real fight at all, utterly and completely.
Sniper crosshair with a smaller dot, for example, is widely used and gives an obvious advantage: the accuracy of sniping on long distances increases drastically. The default big red dot can cover the whole target on long distances, whilst a small and neat one allows you to hit precisely: for example, in a car, in a rustler, behind the obstacle in a very small bodypart, and so on. I use the custom crosshair myself and I can simply explain the advantage. However, I fail to explain that of the skin changer mod.
Thus, there is no point in using this mod in other purposes but the aesthetics.
Q: Mia did it silently, because she was afraid of getting caught.
A: This is simply not true. First of all, she consulted with the owner of the server before using it. Second, it is clearly visible on her video. Third, it's quite natural that she did not announce it publicly: many players here do not really announce their discoveries (custom crosshairs) and don't share them on request.
Q: If it was some regular player, Jonne would not have allowed it.
A: Again, this is simply not true. Mia and I does not have any extra influence on Jonne. If you think that it's so simple, go and try to do it yourself. I doubt that Jonne handles this server for anything else but fun of the players, for the feeling of him doing something good and truly interesting and pleasant for the others. In this case, I don't see a way of a random person in the Internet influencing on his decision just like that.
Q: If it was somebody else, you, Altus, would have forbidden this mod and/or banned the user.
A: Once again, wrong. When I am an online admin, people sometimes ask me whether a given mod is allowed or not. I always reply with the same thing: the mod is allowed unless it gives an unfair advantage. For example, I have not done anything for those who used a mod which allows to reload the weapons or a mod which lets you apply custom ped animations (equal to those available ingame) from the client side. Anyone who talked to me about the mods, knows that I stick to this principle, and I do not plan to step over it.
Q: Why don't you simply use /vskin?
A: I thought that it would be cool to have my favourite skin, 73, rotating like a fast skin, since I am a VIP and have access to the fast skins anyways. Even if the skinchanger.cs gets disallowed, I will keep playing with the 73th skin (slow), as it is the only skin I like.
Q: You are lying or omitting something about this mod.
A: As I said, there is no need to believe me nakedly. Use the mod and check it yourself. I told you everything I know about it. We used it only for the aesthetic purposes.
Q: I do not believe in your "aesthetic" purposes. There must have been something else involved.
A: Like, what? Mia and I stay away from the game-related conflicts of the players and clans. We do not fight personally with anyone. We do not post humiliation videos or stories. We are fighting everyone and do it solely for the fun. And we lose a big percent of the fights. I am not any kind of a "pro"-gamer, I mostly play to relax. So it's not to assert ourselves. What else can it be? To farm score/kills? Well, there are way more effective ways, like to constantly survive as a president on specific maps with specific players online.
Besides, I was telling about giving all of my score away... Why not? Jonne, I request you to transfer 22000 of my kills to the 22 best players on the server, 1000 for each. Seriously, I would prefer if there were no stats. Like there is no karma on this forum. Unfortunately, these numbers mostly bring unnecessary fights and grudges.
What I'm going to say next, applies to everyone taking part in the war which started from Mive's resignation, it also applies to myself and Mia.
I had private talks with many of you, people. The vast majority of those talks were pleasant, interesting, entertaining for me and, hopefully, to my conversationalists as well. Yet... We ended up here.
I will mention COBRA and Great_Khali a lot below. Don't take it as an offense, please, as I will do it solely because they are very old and influential players and owners of the biggest and eldest (for the moment) clans (= virtual communities) of Plan B.
As I told a lot of times and I repeat now, there are no truly "shitty persons" on this server. At least I have met none. Some of us prefer to trash talk, others stay silent. Some of us find the dignity in a knighty (no more irony in this word!) attitude ingame, others prefer to kill everyone or target specific people, or follow their own ways of having fun. Some of us are easy to annoy, others are impenetratable. It doesn't matter.
What matters, is that we all are wrong here. We all tend to think that we are somewhat more than we actually are. Or at least we want to look better for both ourselves and others. That's the first thing. The second one, we all belong to our Plan B society. We all are bound to the other people around with hundreds of threads, so it's natural that we follow them in the games.
So, some of us utilize a slightest reason to wind the spring and get the adrenaline.
Others go help them because they cannot betray their friends (and not joining the conflict on their side looks like a treason for them).
The third ones try to enforce their authority and also to settle the score with someone for the past offenses, since they give a brilliant reason for it.
Reasons, reasons, reasons... Let us not utilize the reasons. Let us look deeper in ourselves, in our consciousness, all of our actions are rooted there.
Let us not give reasons for the reasons.
Let us not patronize the others. Let us not be high hats. Nobody. Neither those who want to show their independence against those who currently holds the admin buttons. Nor those who rushes to use these buttons.
I used to be a part of another relatively big Internet community. The biggest difference of it from PTP lied in the fact that most of the people there could stop any hassle at any moment, because they remembered the main thing: this all is a game.
So whenever I was involved in a conflict, I always knew that I could reach my opponent out at any moment. That we could come to the table and find a solution even for the most difficult situation. Can we say this regarding to each other? Mia and I and COBRA and Great_Khali?
Whenever we accuse or defend someone (= we try to get justice), we should ask ourselves: at which extent are our own ambitions involved?
Personally I am involved too, of course. However, for some reason I get way less criticism than Mia, so what I am trying to achieve here is not to criticise, in my turn, everyone, starting from myself and Mia and ending with COBRA and Great_Khali, and name us all idiots. Not at all, although, again, everyone is wrong here. And I am really sorry for the irritation caused by my first post in this topic.
I want to suggest a solution to end this midget war. At least to try to make this server and this forum a pleasant place to spend our time on.
I suggest a status quo ante bellum, which is:
- All topics related to the war are getting closed, but not removed, to remain a good lesson for the future.
- Now and forever: all decisions about allowed/disallowed mods are to be taken by 3 Head Admins (with other level 4 admins as consulting body) and are announced publicly, in some topic, no matter if they were asked publicly and privately about the given mod. If Head Admins are having trouble making it, the question is getting solved on the forums, by a voting. By mods, I mean not just .cs/.asi files, but any other external modifications of the game, including: tools to unlock/limit FPS; ping force software; custom skins; custom textures, crosshairs, transparent leaves and so on.
- Even if the community decides to forbid a mod, no retrospective punishments are applied. Let us all remember that everyone of us did something good for the server. If it wasn't for COBRA and Great_Khali, we wouldn't simply have probably reached the 14th year of PTP existance. If it wasn't for Mia, we wouldn't have had a handful of nice updates.
- No punishments and/or other admin actions are applied in the situations which are not described in the rules: clearly, unequivocally and recognizably (@popcornZ' case). If such situation happens, it is getting discussed either among the Staff or publicly on the forum and, again, no retroactive punishments are applied, to nobody.
For last, I want to ask everyone, but primarily COBRA and Great_Khali: under what conditions are you ready to coexist with Mia and me here peacefully? I am talking about our personalities, not ingame fights.
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This all is going on as people think the mod is not allowed. Not pointing fingers on any, but anyone can just use this (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=4925.0) topic to ask about the mod, so everyone would've known and nothing like this would've started in the first place. ::)
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I have nothing personal with Altus and Mia but what i have observed it that they play the game in whatever way they like but when it comes to handling something as an admin they dont act neutral. Also admins are people who are to respected and set an example to normal player. These two dont act like that. They just post their opinions as how they want this gamemode to be instead of how it can be "really fair" for everyone here to play it. They just want to force everything to their mind of fairness, and acting soo rude with whatever case they take on. Altus always protects her like anything. I dont understand why he does that. I have never seen any admin so hated by the COMMUNITY, not just some players. People now a days just want any opportunity to see them demoted.
Secondly, Jonne should be dealing with this openly now. I understand he made a mistake by not letting the community know about his action allowing mia to use that mod and not himself testing it or asking other head admin test it. Mia knew its advantages and still used it. Also she has just took a back hand at these topic made for her and not responding and clearing doubts and questions asked by the community. I think she is mature enough to do this and not take cover behind Altus who is just playing his sarcastic stupid games digging old shit and blaming others instead of speaking in terms of the topic at hand. Oh wait this was done by Mia as well in her only post she made in 1 or these topics. This is not something an Admin should behave like. Keep your game as a player and as an admin seperate.
Then again they are my opinions.
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I agree we all are writing so many essays and digging topics but bruh, you have reached new heights (not in a bad way).
But I think it is you who should realize this first " it is just a game" , go relax and take a break from digging and writing essays. If players don't resonate with your thoughts there's nothing you can do much, can't keep forcing your words on them ,can you? No matter how much a person try to be "neutral" and unbiased, he can't really be and this applies to every field. So if you think you can do that here, nope you are just deluding yourself unknowingly.
I just hope you are doing well these days and not constantly thinking about server or Mia all day, and I mean this in a good way. Damn that rhymed.
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I want to suggest a solution to end this midget war. At least to try to make this server and this forum a pleasant place to spend our time on.
For last, I want to ask everyone, but primarily COBRA and Great_Khali: under what conditions are you ready to coexist with Mia and me here peacefully? I am talking about our personalities, not ingame fights.
Shortening your epic essay , I personally have just 2 Concerns & i'll be fine with it.
- If the mod is used for aesthetic purpose - Why did she toggle it just before getting in fight?
- All we want is Mia {even you if you had used it} to apologize to members about being unfair.
Jonne did not check the mod , but you guys knew its advantages- thats why she toggled it before a fight was about to start. As mentioned by Mia in another post about clarification - we know she has modded the skin on her side too - but why chose a fast skin+ her small skin mod just before fight { Its Obvious she wanted to gain Advantage by being faster}
Just these 2 points i want answered.
Note : Please keep it short.
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Maybe close this Topic?
I don't need that Admin will try cover Other Admins Mistakes.
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For last, I want to ask everyone, but primarily COBRA and Great_Khali: under what conditions are you ready to coexist with Mia and me here peacefully? I am talking about our personalities, not ingame fights.
I don't think it's personal Altus. Starts with ingame rivalries and style of play, some people get put in signatures and get mocked, some get montages of them getting killed. For example the same happens to Safi, I'm sure every fight he has with Ahmed is being recorded and if there is a slip it'll be a report in a few seconds, no matter how clear the cheating or if there is any. Now imagine if Safi was an admin and he fought everyone, not just Ahmed, all of it x10, greater responsibility, accountability and held to the highest standard. I took a glimpse in the report section and I think Safi holds a record
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Dear Altus & Mia, instead of accepting the responsibility for your actions, you tried to fool the whole community with your essays and pointing fingers to another non related, past situation. Lol, is it easier to say sorry instead of writing self defense story?
Been through the early stage of this server and I've never seen such a hatred towards Admins here on PTP. I can clearly see why is it like that. Even Lagertha was being more respected.
Everything that's being toggled is huge advantage over the game physics. Just as i used to toggle HP cheats, you must've had binded the button on your keyboard close to your AWSD buttons. That's considered as CHEATING. Period. Cheaters get BANNED, in this case you should be demoted and banned. Have a nice day ya all
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... Even Lagertha was being more respected.
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If the mod is used for aesthetic purpose - Why did she toggle it just before getting in fight?
Because it is not possible to set it up "permanently". It's like you had to type /vipme each time you respawn in the past. The /fskin feature also resets each time you respawn. So Mia bound some key, which emulates pressing T (opening the chat), typing /fskin 272 and pressing Enter. Since it's done programmatically, you don't see a chat window or anything on her video.
but why chose a fast skin+ her small skin mod just before fight
Just for the very same reason other people change their skin to fast before the fight.
All we want is Mia {even you if you had used it} to apologize to members about being unfair.
I can apologize or say anything if it helps. However, the truth is that this mod does not give you an unfair advantage, compared with any of the common fast skins (1, 2, 265-272). Again, you do not have to trust it blindly, you can try it and compare myself.
The problem is that nobody wants to do it. People prefer to point fingers. "They toggle it = this gives an unfair advantage". It's like in the Middle Ages: "He can read = he is a sorcerer and devil worshipper".
People, however, do not point fingers at those who use the sprinthook. Custom crosshairs. FPS changing software. I do not urge to do it! I kindly ask you to look at Mia's situation objectively. Please, prior to blaming and accusing, try to understand it. Forget Mia's name. Try it yourself and check if there is any unfair advantage. Just to get your own opinion instead of repeating what you think the most obvious ("she toggled a hack").
What I apologize for is jumping straight in a conflict instead of trying to solve it at the beginning.
Jonne did not check the mod , but you guys knew its advantages
That's not true, you can ask Jonne himself. We properly described him what is the feature of the mod, what is it about. He was not confused or mislead.
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For last, I want to ask everyone, but primarily COBRA and Great_Khali: under what conditions are you ready to coexist with Mia and me here peacefully? I am talking about our personalities, not ingame fights.
You know it's nothing to do with Me and Khali actually. We are old here doesn't mean we are different. We are just two of the regular PTP players. We are part of this community and you Altus & Mia fucked the community by taking part in staff team, behaving silly with silly game mods. "Asking Jonne" is not a key if this Plan B community is different than "one man leading server" unlike old PTP, you know?
Stop asking me or Khali about it, stop targeting us with your long essays. I've read your all long essays you wrote up there and it has really giving no solution since you denying that Mia's silly mod gained advantage against whole server for a long time. Your long essays really nonsense since you both are not honest here.
Mia asked Jonne a year ago about that mod doesn't mean Jonne knows everything about all cleo mods. Jonne acts so fine and harmless on all. Atleast he try to keep with minimum negative actions on everything by being positive. Maybe he didn't fall in doubt about that is called "skin mod" by Mia to Jonne in the beginning. But the point is Mia knew every advantage of mod.
Imagine if I was the one who used that "skin moves and skin changer for client" mod for a YEAR LONG and Khali was informed about it. Whole server gonna be mad at me because I kept that mod so silly and gained so many kills and no one doubt on me bcuz I'm staff and they thought staff is already clean and keeping those mods away from themselfes. They would act same on me if I was the one who did that. But would you act different? Atleast I should accept that I was using that mod to gain advantage and apologies for what I've done to this community. If it was Khali knowing what I done, I'm so sure he would say something like that; "Cobra your behave is not cool, you should accept the fact that you done something which not suit your reputation on server."
This was what Khali would do if it was me using such as silly mods against players as an admin.
So, stop bringing it personal. Whole community against you both and still you trying to write long essays, trying to fool people by writing stories.. Since you are not honest, those are trash words..
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Can you bring back PopcornZ ?
who got abused without a single Apologise and we lost a player from the server that he never used hacks.
this is one exemple.
Jonne reset some of what you did,because you did some wrong moves .
... Even Lagertha was being more respected.
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I missed you Spoc ;D
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However, the truth is that this mod does not give you an unfair advantage, compared with any of the common fast skins (1, 2, 265-272). Again, you do not have to trust it blindly, you can try it and compare myself.
So difference between a vip & her is that she will take lesser damage as her hitbox has gone smaller {vs using normal fast skin} due to client sided small skin + she has faster moves in that small skin , best of both worlds.
If you think client sided skins don't affect gameplay then " can I use a pikachu skin & play here ?
why can't she just play with her skin & stop using these mods to make her skin flip faster . if she wants faster skin , then use a bigger sized fast skins instead like everyone else does.
Just for the very same reason other people change their skin to fast before the fight.
Might be some statswhores do that shit but they use a bigger sized skin {almost all fast skins are bigger than normal skins} they take more damage compared to normal skins but what compensates for user is the fast moves.
Here Mia is using a small size skin with ultra speed of speed skin.
This was what Khali would do if it was me using such as silly mods against players as an admin.
Yes , friends are at their place , server is at another level so I too would not support a corrupt staff member as cobra pointed. Don't even dream about it cobra ... i would never have made topics to save or defend you ;D
We {old players} are just concerned about this server & don't want corrupt staff members ending this beautiful community. Bring Friauf/Fimpen Back & see what they would do in this case.
... Even Lagertha was being more respected.
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Lagertha Would be crying upon seeing this : { }
Well yes i agree that Lacerta was more respected than Mia,
Whatever Lacerta did , he was open about it .
He could say with a straightface "Yeah i did that .. So what" he never used such mods etc .
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I've read your all long essays you wrote up there
Thanks for that.
it has really giving no solution since you denying that Mia's silly mod gained advantage against whole server for a long time.
So difference between a vip & her is that she will take lesser damage as her hitbox has gone smaller {vs using normal fast skin} due to client sided small skin + she has faster moves in that small skin , best of both worlds.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you mean is that this midget war will end if we apologize.
I am not proud and I can say anything if it helps, but my apology would not be worth a damn, since you want me to apologize for something which is not real.
Seriously, once again, do not listen to me or anyone else, install the mod, go ingame and see yourself: you won't be able to get a single bit of an unfair advantage there. No dodged bullets or other magic. Feel free to use any skin you wish, should it be Pikachu or Fares' anime girl (sorry for mentioning, Fares, I have nothing against it), if it is comparable with any of the existing skins: you won't be able to gain an advantage.
I am kindly asking you once again: please, look at the raw facts, not Mia's nickname.
What, in your opinion, can be done to stop this hassle? Or do you want Mia and me out of the server at any cost and you won't stop until it happens?
Can you bring back PopcornZ ?
I would love to, I just don't see anything I personally can do about it, as popcornZ is not my friend and whatever I might say, would be taken hostile. I said this, and I keep repeating, it was very wrong that left the server, nothing of that should have happened at the first place.
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He could say with a straightface "Yeah i did that .. So what" he never used such mods etc .
I don't see who is hiding or lying in this situation.
he never used such mods etc .
Which didn't stop him from evading deaths by using admin commands and banning the players he didn't like for whatever reason. I don't think that your comparison is correct or constructive.
UPD: Also, please, do not treat Jonne as a mindless puppet. It's not like he allowed it without understand or looking into it. I, however, do not say this to pass the buck to him (if there should be any responsibility for a mod that doesn't give an unfair advantage, I will take it); I just mean that you are wrong saying that he was mislead.
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How emotional...*crying noises*
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Why people keep bringing the hitbox advantage when almost every weapon uses skinhit weapon config lol?
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Why people keep bringing the hitbox advantage when almost every weapon uses skinhit weapon config lol?
@saurabh plz enlighten us
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Why people keep bringing the hitbox advantage when almost every weapon uses skinhit weapon config lol?
Skinhit weapon config would still be taking the skins into account , no? Pretty sure the server would sync damage according to the skin currently the server can track.
So if i use small skins in client side it wouldn't matter, right. But in Mia's case , she is using skin 192(small non beta female skin) on server with /vskin 192 , while on her client she is using skins 272(slightly bigger beta male skin) with skinchanger cleo. So basically that's a skin 192 with fast moves synced on the server side, and that's what the 'skinhit weapon config' would be tracking to register hits.
Correct me if I am wrong^
@saurabh plz enlighten us
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The only things comes to my mind is;
Sad life Knaves!
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@saurabh plz enlighten us
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xDDD
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Now since Jonne gave the solution (https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=6237.msg55594#msg55594), I wish to use my right of the author of this topic and lock it.
I just hope that the forum war is over.