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General => Suggestions => Closed => Topic started by: Srex_Zangetsu on February 26, 2019, 04:09:21 pm

Title: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on February 26, 2019, 04:09:21 pm
 Hello everyone.I've been a player on this server for at least a year,I guess.Player 'YoMama' suggested me to come here and post about stuff I don't like.Well,I'll try to start somehow.
-As we all know,VIP players have many advantages.Overpowering weapons,first of all,that enable them to win fights low to semi difficulty.Plus they use them to abuse others at times.That leaves the game's sense of putting all your effort to do the duty without a meaning.That needs to stop.I urge of admins to strip the VIPs of their advanced weapons(mainly snipers and saws) and leave the VIP advantages on cosmetic level,like someone said.They can get other low tier weapons and keep some avatar skins,but that should be about it.We,the "randoms",don't like coming to a game and being abused by some lackey with rich parents that bought a sniper and abuses us from great range while we cannot fight back.
-Second thing,civilian class is the weakest in general,and unprotected.It would only make sense that at least the defender classes(security and police) do not randomly shoot them just because they can.My idea about that issue would be to create a certain way for the president to grant protection to civilians which would help him.In that specific case,there'd be a president-only command to make them allies,i.e. /protect[number],and then that civilian would be unavailable to hurt defenders and vice-versa.Or,if that doesn't seem well enough,there should be a distiction between allied,hostile and neutral civilians.In that case,allied civilians's nicknames would be colored pink,and hostile orange,while the neutral ones can be,i don't know,brown?
-I ask of you to also re-distribute weaponry.For example,terrorists are quite in an advantage with their dual uzis and SPAS shotgun over the others.For further ideas about redistribution,we can discuss in the replies.Also,the /holiday eng command should have some changes about the bonus weaponry.
-One personal favor,I ask you to fix the glitch where,if you're on some vehicle,and bump with it,if you possess a parachute,you die.The same case goes when flying on an airplane's wing,I die too often.If that glitch can be bypassed somehow,I would be happy if you did that,because it ruins my total score,all those deaths for nothing,I suppose.
-Furthermore,I have often been playing as a civilian and seen how some players abuse them for scores.I urge of you to create another report "reason",which would be "civilian abusing",or "player abusing".Then,the admin would review the game and accordingly punish the player who does it.
-I'll also say few other things:
I really like the game idea,and I want the server to keep living.But,in order for that to happen,you who manage the server should do few big things,like the ones I mentioned.People like me want to enjoy the game as it is,and not be killed by some rich brats.Also,do not think this game depends on the "clans",you regularly get new "random" members all the time,and those would love to keep playing if you make them feel better.
Few more suggestions:
-in some maps,terrorists are too close to the presidential spawn,like the one where he spawns in that house on the coast,near the railway.The terrorist spawn should be moved somewhere further.
-Some more classes should be made,especially for the terrorist side,like "thieves" or "assassins",you have your hands uncuffed on that question.You could also create "workers" or "hunters" for the civilian side.
-Let's reconsider giving all or most of the classes the armor from the start,once the weapons are redistributed.I don't want any of the sides to lose or benefit too much.Let's just deal with everything rationally.
-Consider,if possible,adding some more mods in the game,like,some creatures,that we could kill for some valuable loot.I.e. a Bigfoot in some forests,you kill him and get some weaponry and recharges.
-We need more admins.Try to issue an audition or whatever,so you can have active people managing the page 24/7.
-Cheaters should be banned without mercy,but only if you find out 100% accurately that a cheat was used.They shouldn't be allowed back just because of some feelings,they ruin the game.
-Also,considering feelings,some players do not attack their clan-mates even when they're in opposite classes.That cannot stay like that.If (a) player(s) is/are deemed allying even as opposite classes or not fighting each other when they should have,they should be kicked,deadline banned.That,of course,doesn't mean all enemies should fight at any moment they meet;they can avoid each other.But,hanging out with them or whatever should be punishable.
-Hmm I forgot to say,all dual wield weapons(uzis and pistols) should be "nerfed" to single wield.They are too strong that way and giving an incredible advantage over the classes who do not possess it.I think that the suggestion is quite rational.I.e. security has that mp5 that works only on mid-range to long-range,but is totally useless against an uzi.About the weaponry redistribution,I repeat,let's discuss.I have some ideas,and you can make one big maintenance on the server to implement some (hopefully all) of these things I suggested.

Well,I suppose that should be it.Cannot remmeber anything else.If you have any suggestions yourselves,feel free to express them.If you're hateful just because all these would rip you of your advantages and have no constructive arguments,I suggest you be gone.
Alright,thank you for your time that you spent on reading this,have a nice game! 8)
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Bully on February 26, 2019, 05:13:12 pm
True story bruh ...but no one gives a shit about what you just wrote above . Since people here are busy fighting endlessly in clanwars ,  crying 'ez' , 'rekt'  and other stupid possible insults .. although 'mature' players  play here but the aggregate age of server is 12 .
Some feature like - Stupid NSA map , with overpowering hydras - sniper , chainsaw vip army - shitty redistribution of weapons to classes - least  favourable conditions for newbies - fucked up anticheat system all inherited from old version of PTP .

This topic will go to trash as no one really cares , its a pity that the most of major issues which are pointed out of regular basis are just ignored . There are numerous problems with the server .. one of which is losing number as the player base is changing but no one really cares cause they are such confident that it would survive like this till eternity ..
P. S. Rip  party server , Lvp , lws , uL servers , LSSW , gamersX and many more to add which are about or almost dead .
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Crash on February 26, 2019, 05:19:13 pm
Parachute bug can't be fixed.
20 means someone is rich? I earn 20 bucks per hour, as construction worker.
VIP has advantages and it was discussed many times before, i guess VIPs won't be nerged anytime soon.
No to everything else.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: CaniS_MajoriS on February 26, 2019, 05:37:14 pm
At first i would suggest you to be more active on forum.
I can't say about VIPs are OP as there are some topics about VIPs are OP so search it and know the reasons. Civil class is not weakest, its on you how you deal with it, and if you want to protect president there are 3 class to protect him choose one of them, all classes and their weapons are good enough. Having parachute over any flying vehicle is SAMP bug won't be fixed. Any class player killing you while you in civil class isn't forbidden, if you want to kill or protect president so be in specific class please. No civil is innocent :p

If you want to enjoy so stay far from your enemies and game is not depend on clan, they just have TAG lol, i guess there is no more need of classes, and all classes spawns are good enough. Giving armour to all or most classes will be disaster. As for clan-mates, it mostly implement in security case, if a clan-mate avoiding shooting his terrorist clan-mate and president died or was about to, is punishable, try to report on time or record it and make report on forum or pm any admin via forum. Good effect towards betterment of server!
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Chetan on February 26, 2019, 05:47:38 pm
Civil class is not a fighting class. There are some people who like only to roam around the map and watch people without shooting them; these are the people that *regulars* use to gain kills.

LMAO. They don't kill their *clanmates* or *allies* and gain kills from randoms.

I'd suggest adding a command "/gm" or "/godmode" which can be used as civil only. Once used the civil is colored pink and stripped off the weapons and godmode is enabled for them. They can roam freely in the map this way and have fun.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Air on February 26, 2019, 06:50:49 pm
I do like your idea about making VIP features only cosmetic , but we're talking about players who paid to get these features , you cant just strip them from it
For the civilian class :
Civil class is not a fighting class.

I do appereciate that  you're trying to improve the server , but unfortuantly some of your suggestions cannot be done for various reasons , as Nero said , try spending some more time at the forums and you'll understand why we cant give armour for all classes, how the staff deals with cheaters , Mod applications , etc ...

I'd suggest adding a command "/gm" or "/godmode" which can be used as civil only. Once used the civil is colored pink and stripped off the weapons and godmode is enabled for them. They can roam freely in the map this way and have fun.
I do like your idea , that way newbies wont get constantly killed by Statswhores  and then ragequit and never come back again , but unfortuantly  , it could be abused , like carpark/helikill for example , they could use the vehicule to kill somebody while having godmode
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Magic on February 26, 2019, 09:14:28 pm
No civil is innocent :p

Who said that im not innocent civillian lol
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: YoMama on February 27, 2019, 01:38:33 am
At first i would suggest you to be more active on forum.
I encouraged Srex to post here because I think there are a lot of players who have the same feelings about the server that he does, but they never go onto the forums because they either don't know about it or can't. When I was suggesting that a few players go onto the forums, most (including Srex) had no idea they even existed. "Do you have a suggestion., comment, or just want to be a bigger part of our community? Join our forum at planbserver.com/forum!" messages when you connect to the server would be good.

I'm not saying you're doing this, but we shouldn't blame the people who finally find our forums and post suggestions that they've built up over the time they've been playing for their suggestions being unusual. It seems that the forum isn't exactly common knowledge.



True story bruh ...but no one gives a shit about what you just wrote above . Since people here are busy fighting endlessly in clanwars ,  crying 'ez' , 'rekt'  and other stupid possible insults .. although 'mature' players  play here but the aggregate age of server is 12 .
Some feature like - Stupid NSA map , with overpowering hydras - sniper , chainsaw vip army - shitty redistribution of weapons to classes - least  favourable conditions for newbies - fucked up anticheat system all inherited from old version of PTP .

This topic will go to trash as no one really cares , its a pity that the most of major issues which are pointed out of regular basis are just ignored...
Why does it have to be ignored? I don't think your viewpoint is the minority. It just happens to be the viewpoint of the minority of people who post here. I think a lot of people who play in the server (most of the non-VIPs, some of the VIPs) would agree, but they don't get on the forums and make it known.

20 means someone is rich? I earn 20 bucks per hour, as construction worker.
A lot of our players are either too young to work, or they live in places where $20 is a lot of money in their currency. Many people don't even earn that much in a day. (https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/mexico-raises-minimum-wage-by-percent-to-per-day/article_7cfbe14b-c6c1-52a0-8dcf-51c3f25ca840.html)

I'd suggest adding a command "/gm" or "/godmode" which can be used as civil only. Once used the civil is colored pink and stripped off the weapons and godmode is enabled for them. They can roam freely in the map this way and have fun.
Interesting idea. This shouldn't apply to cars though, because otherwise they could steal unique cars and keep them forever, or ram people with no consequences.



I do like your idea about making VIP features only cosmetic , but we're talking about players who paid to get these features , you cant just strip them from it
The whole point of the donations isn't to let some players buy shit. No one is making money here (or at least, they shouldn't be). The point of donating is to support the server, not to get some toys that can be used to pretend that the user has more skill than everyone else. If they "paid" to get the features (which shows you the mindset), that still doesn't magically mean that they're entitled to them. If you could actually put a monetary value on the features, then why are VIPs not paying more money for the new features that are added for them? The features are perks and recognition for donating, they shouldn't be a product, and certainly not an entitlement.

Also, everyone giving this argument leaves off the significant number of people who did not donate to this server, but instead received VIP status because Jonne generously carried it over from Tenshi's server.

I think a lot of people on the forums, and particularly on the server, would agree that that many VIP features drive newbies away and are overpowered against non-VIP regulars. I don't think we're losing players because SA:MP is "dying" as much as we are losing players because our server is just not friendly to new players. Donating should help the server, not slowly destroy it by turning it into a sandbox for VIP players where they can indiscriminately kill new players like they're fucking NPCs in single player.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Chetan on February 27, 2019, 03:22:53 am
I'd suggest adding a command "/gm" or "/godmode" which can be used as civil only. Once used the civil is colored pink and stripped off the weapons and godmode is enabled for them. They can roam freely in the map this way and have fun.
I do like your idea , that way newbies wont get constantly killed by Statswhores  and then ragequit and never come back again , but unfortuantly  , it could be abused , like carpark/helikill for example , they could use the vehicule to kill somebody while having godmode

This can be prevented. Just a simple way. The vehicles in which civilians sit with godmode enabled, will automatically get ghost mode enabled just like we have in races. Also no other class can sit with that guy in the vehicle.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on February 27, 2019, 09:12:08 am
Well,I'll reply to some thing here,then.
-Yes,$20 here is not so little,it's worth one day of work.And I'm currently unemployed and unavailable for employing.Also,I could donate someday,ONLY if things change,and NOT for those bonuses VIPs get,since I fight against that.Though,I,for my principles,don't pay for games(directly),so I doubt even that,but that can still remain a possibility.
-Sometimes all the defender classes are full,and I don't play as a terrorist,so I must play as a civilian.You MUSTN'T force me to play in a team I don't want to be in,this ain't soccer or whatever.I DON'T play as a terrorist,and I want to be a civilian that defends (WHICH IS NORMAL),and that should be enabled to me,and also get protection from the defender fire at me.I think that my suggestion about having a presidential-exclusive command,in a form of a request to civilians,to come defend him,is pretty realistic.But,it wouldn't be realistic that the efenders shoot the civilians that are helping,so they need some sort of a protection.Something like /summon
-As for you,Crash,idk who you are,and I can see that you're another whiney VIP that wants his benefits secured,so,I don't give a damn what you'll say.You haven't given any constructive opinions.YOU VIPs ARE NOT ENTITLED TO BETTER WEAPONS.As said,that's only a donation.The admins' fault for providing you with those weapons.
-As for the weapons,do you all want some suggestions for each class' weapon packs?
-Considering that "seeing what has been said already about the topic",I don't think I really need it.I have given you all my opinion and suggestions,it is up to everyone to choose whether we will implement them or not.But ONLY when some more "randoms" join the forum,to make it more fair.
-I want to point out again that we need more admins here,considering that many people hack and we can't do nothing about it,at times.Try to resolve that somehow,have at least one active at any moment.
Hmm that should be all for now.Let's discuss more.We need more suggestions.Keep this topic alive.Also,the admins ought to advertise the forum so more people can join and give their opinions,if they intend to keep playing.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on February 27, 2019, 09:14:02 am
Also,I can adjust the poll,and will do that for each suggestion to be votable :P then you can pick what to change and what not.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: cobby on February 27, 2019, 11:19:49 am
-1 ofcourse everyone wanna give a -1 for this suggestion and should this be in suggestion or
general discussion  :-\ srex u wanna make ptp with no players again? then u should leave this server
right now if ur a noob and cant battle against players and VIPs vip players used their real money to buy
it and your saying remove their weapons people dont buy vip for nitro or hydraulics the things they are
interested in are skins , saw , and sniper.and if u do this vip players will ask for a refund which is not
available right now.
srex nub pro.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on February 27, 2019, 11:39:11 am
-1 ofcourse everyone wanna give a -1 for this suggestion and should this be in suggestion or
general discussion  :-\ srex u wanna make ptp with no players again? then u should leave this server
right now if ur a noob and cant battle against players and VIPs vip players used their real money to buy
it and your saying remove their weapons people dont buy vip for nitro or hydraulics the things they are
interested in are skins , saw , and sniper.and if u do this vip players will ask for a refund which is not
available right now.
srex nub pro.
whatever m8 vips want to rate it -1,not "randoms" who have yet to join here
Who gives a damn about a refund?IT'S THE GODDAMN DONATION.NOT a payment for vip!You don't get sh*t just for paying.It's the admin's good will.Yeah,scr*w ptp.Y'all just came to duel each other and care nothing about the duty.That cr*p needs to stop.ROLEPLAYING is what matters on this server.And YOU can go to some other server to duel others,and be "pro" there,without your stupid saw and sniper.AGAIN,NO CONSTRUCTIVE ARGUMENTS.Just VIPs crying how the game depends on their activity.That is not true!And they can take your vip benefits away anytime,there was no statement or anything saying you will have your boons forever.If you want to cry after losing weapons,fine.Maybe this one post won't go through immediately,but that won't stop me.Someday,I'll change this server for the better,for good.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: cobby on February 27, 2019, 12:33:27 pm
-1 ofcourse everyone wanna give a -1 for this suggestion and should this be in suggestion or
general discussion  :-\ srex u wanna make ptp with no players again? then u should leave this server
right now if ur a noob and cant battle against players and VIPs vip players used their real money to buy
it and your saying remove their weapons people dont buy vip for nitro or hydraulics the things they are
interested in are skins , saw , and sniper.and if u do this vip players will ask for a refund which is not
available right now.
srex nub pro.
whatever m8 vips want to rate it -1,not "randoms" who have yet to join here
Who gives a damn about a refund?IT'S THE GODDAMN DONATION.NOT a payment for vip!You don't get sh*t just for paying.It's the admin's good will.Yeah,scr*w ptp.Y'all just came to duel each other and care nothing about the duty.That cr*p needs to stop.ROLEPLAYING is what matters on this server.And YOU can go to some other server to duel others,and be "pro" there,without your stupid saw and sniper.AGAIN,NO CONSTRUCTIVE ARGUMENTS.Just VIPs crying how the game depends on their activity.That is not true!And they can take your vip benefits away anytime,there was no statement or anything saying you will have your boons forever.If you want to cry after losing weapons,fine.Maybe this one post won't go through immediately,but that won't stop me.Someday,I'll change this server for the better,for good.
cry on other server plz this server isnt for crying nabs and who do u think u are a noob and new player
that gets his account activated in forums and starts shit about changing server u dont really know what
this server was 3 or 2 years ago cuz u were not here do u know how a server runs or any thing about
how hard scripting is?? are u that dumb? i know how hard is scripting cuz i have my server it took me 1 day
only to create it and it had no commands or shit dont u know anything about community
this server was made to earn donations and enjoyment of players not for those whom change this server
just bcz he is a noob.if u are willing to do anything here I'd say get out of here and check other servers
which dont have a donation system and they are just for fun not money.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on February 27, 2019, 06:29:02 pm
You are talking to a server that is dead
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on February 27, 2019, 08:50:02 pm
-1 ofcourse everyone wanna give a -1 for this suggestion and should this be in suggestion or
general discussion  :-\ srex u wanna make ptp with no players again? then u should leave this server
right now if ur a noob and cant battle against players and VIPs vip players used their real money to buy
it and your saying remove their weapons people dont buy vip for nitro or hydraulics the things they are
interested in are skins , saw , and sniper.and if u do this vip players will ask for a refund which is not
available right now.
srex nub pro.
whatever m8 vips want to rate it -1,not "randoms" who have yet to join here
Who gives a damn about a refund?IT'S THE GODDAMN DONATION.NOT a payment for vip!You don't get sh*t just for paying.It's the admin's good will.Yeah,scr*w ptp.Y'all just came to duel each other and care nothing about the duty.That cr*p needs to stop.ROLEPLAYING is what matters on this server.And YOU can go to some other server to duel others,and be "pro" there,without your stupid saw and sniper.AGAIN,NO CONSTRUCTIVE ARGUMENTS.Just VIPs crying how the game depends on their activity.That is not true!And they can take your vip benefits away anytime,there was no statement or anything saying you will have your boons forever.If you want to cry after losing weapons,fine.Maybe this one post won't go through immediately,but that won't stop me.Someday,I'll change this server for the better,for good.
cry on other server plz this server isnt for crying nabs and who do u think u are a noob and new player
that gets his account activated in forums and starts shit about changing server u dont really know what
this server was 3 or 2 years ago cuz u were not here do u know how a server runs or any thing about
how hard scripting is?? are u that dumb? i know how hard is scripting cuz i have my server it took me 1 day
only to create it and it had no commands or shit dont u know anything about community
this server was made to earn donations and enjoyment of players not for those whom change this server
just bcz he is a noob.if u are willing to do anything here I'd say get out of here and check other servers
which dont have a donation system and they are just for fun not money.
Aww,you think you can get me to leave with such soft sh*t?Hell nah!You are the nab that can't play except with the benefits you do not deserve yourself,but that money brought you.You go and cry on some other server when you get your a*s soloed by randoms.I want to make this server enjoyable to everyone and you're the one that's ruining it with such attitude,you and few selfish others who only want to gain scores and couldn't care less about fair play and making other players happy.
I am a programmer myself,so please,do not hold me lessons about it.I know that,if the server was created,it can be modified pretty much with the same difficulty.And my suggestions do not mean everything's got to be perfect as soon as implemented.There can be updates and updates,the important thing here is that they are being fulfilled.No matter what.Yeah,you'd want to be some kinda admin here and keep whining while doing nothing?Then earn those goddamn donations and make something out of the server.The server managers might be living off of donations,but that certainly doesn't give them the right to ruin such a masterpiece by making op those who they favour or those who supposedly paid for it.Don't let this server die just because of selfishness.
An answer for the other guy,that is not correct.This server still has quite few players on a daily basis,some even constant.This server needs one big fixing and advertising.But I sure as hell won't advertise this thing if it's gonna stay the same and I keep playing with rich brats,rendering my efforts useless without a proper chance to actually do something in-game.Everyone needs to try harder.And no,I am not doing all this out of selfish reasons,I want the game overall to be better for everyone(excluding some selfish handful of players).
And what can you actually prove with your claim,cobby?I wasn't here 2-3 years ago,so what?Does that make me unable to see what this server lacks and perceive what should be done?If you truly believe that,you are naive.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on February 27, 2019, 08:53:43 pm
No,I actually take it back.I do not want everyone to enjoy this,I want everyone to have an equal chance of enjoying it and an equal chance of playing well,based on their skills.I cannot force people to be happy,current VIPs won't be,of course,but I do not care about that.If the server is to start going for the better,we have to start all over again.Sure,give the VIPs bonuses,but don't decide the game based on their funds that pay your greedy arse.F*ck p2w.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Gablo on February 28, 2019, 02:18:32 am
SA-MP is dying bro, its hella old... all servers are becoming empty
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: YoMama on February 28, 2019, 02:58:43 am
SA-MP is dying bro, its hella old... all servers are becoming empty
We used to be competitive against other servers in player count. That's not the case anymore, and it's not just because "SA-MP is dying".

cry on other server plz this server isnt for crying nabs and who do u think u are a noob and new player
that gets his account activated in forums and starts shit about changing server u dont really know what
this server was 3 or 2 years ago cuz u were not here do u know how a server runs or any thing about
how hard scripting is?? are u that dumb? i know how hard is scripting cuz i have my server it took me 1 day
Again, not his fault that he didn't know about the forums earlier. Apparently, a lot of people don't know about the forums. Some of what he's suggesting is pretty extreme, yes, but a lot of it is pretty doable coding wise. Nerfing some of the VIP shit is not difficult.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on February 28, 2019, 12:01:30 pm
SA-MP is dying bro, its hella old... all servers are becoming empty
We used to be competitive against other servers in player count. That's not the case anymore, and it's not just because "SA-MP is dying".
Again, not his fault that he didn't know about the forums earlier. Apparently, a lot of people don't know about the forums. Some of what he's suggesting is pretty extreme, yes, but a lot of it is pretty doable coding wise. Nerfing some of the VIP shit is not difficult.
Yeah,I assume some stuff is extreme,but pretty much anything I said can be done.Maybe not this very moment,but soon enough-yes.
And,I don't think SAMP is dying.As stated,it needs reformation and more advertising.I can do the advertising part once we have better conditions for playing.Anyway,anything that is to keep livin',needs to evolve.So does this server-it needs regular updates on anything that bugs the players.And we MUST have more admins that will take care of the server the whole day,everyday.
One more thing,now the majority of voters are on the "changes" side,though not agreeing on every detail.Admins should engage from now on and do what they can.Like what cobby did,create a testing server and implement new functions there.When they seem usable,integrate them in the original server.It's as simple as that.
p.s. I also wanted to say this.I'm not a "noob" or whatever.I might not be a great duelist,but that's simply not my talent.Not everyone can or will be good at it.That doesn't always determine the game outcome.And,this is my second registration.I somehow lost the first one,and there was a time when I wasn't registered,so my stats are lower than they would actually be,overall.And I've been playing somewhat more than a year,maybe,while some ppl were here for years...
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Maddy on February 28, 2019, 04:02:50 pm
I liked the idea to give a command like godmode to the civilians(Chetan's one) but if someone can explain more about what is meant by cosmetic Vip feature/avatar skin then I can decide my vote, please someone explain it.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Air on February 28, 2019, 06:46:58 pm
I liked the idea to give a command like godmode to the civilians(Chetan's one) but if someone can explain more about what is meant by cosmetic Vip feature/avatar skin then I can decide my vote, please someone explain it.
Remove Sniper & saw from VIPs and keep the rest like /vskin  , /savecolor and many other features
I personally support this
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on February 28, 2019, 09:52:57 pm
Correct.I don't mean to take all weapons from VIPs.They'd still get some minor weapons,that cannot affect the game as much as they did up until now. Something like some melee weapons,stuff like that.I just want everyone to have an equal chance of scoring well,not to get soloed by VIPs the first time they enter the game so they leave and never come back.As stated,VIPs would still retain some benefits,but their advantage over "randoms" would drop to almost being equal.Still,I'd say it's a pretty good deal,seeing how some people have/had $20 to throw on a game.You'd keep the nitro(one major advantage,but not unreachable) and some cool skins.Plus the weapons that still won't affect the game as much as their predecessors did anymore.You think you're up for it?
Ah yes,also, +1 for everyone who supported my ideas :D
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: MegaPilot on February 28, 2019, 10:14:21 pm
Nerfing some of the VIP shit is not difficult.
True.

Unpopular opinion: a lot of the VIP weapons are hella overpowered. The chainsaw is just ridiculous in camping situations(Area 69 for example) against non-VIPs. If it were up to me, the weapon would be removed from the gamemode.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on March 01, 2019, 09:23:55 am
Unpopular opinion: a lot of the VIP weapons are hella overpowered. The chainsaw is just ridiculous in camping situations(Area 69 for example) against non-VIPs. If it were up to me, the weapon would be removed from the gamemode.
It's not unpopular,especially if you're a "random" player.VIPs like being sadists.My own opinions is that sniper users are weakling sh*theads that can't play with skill,since they don't possess it,so they gotta use the sniper and blast you from afar while you can't return the fire.The saw should be usable on the server,but it shouldn't only be a benefit of those who donated...it's better if it has to be found from,let's say,killing Bigfoot in the woods.Let him roam anywhere,so the chance of getting a saw would be hard.Or just give it to the civilians(any of the classes I suggested be made),deadline terrorists.Defenders wouldn't use it in reality,so they can't have it.Yup,give it to the civilians,while you give knife to the terrorists,and katana to security and the nightstick to the police xD and why are there no motherf*cking knuckles??
lol
As for the sniper,I repeat,let's discuss how the weapon packs should be arranged.We better make few more classes first and then redistribute weapons rather than distribute them now but decide to make classes and have to give them out again.The sniper can be used for a terrorist class of assassins",and/or civilian class of "hunters",or we can give it to underwhelming already existing "swats".Also,each class should have a weapon per each group of weapons.For example,security should get a gun,police a shotgun,swats should get some smg weapon,and terrorists a gun too.Civilians need to be massively empowered and be actually influential. :)
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Nikola on March 01, 2019, 04:32:47 pm
1. "Take away VIP weapon benefits and give them more cosmetic ones" - Even though payments made by players are de jure considered to be donations, it would be inappropriate to abruptly remove those weapons, which are a direct result of their payments, without consulting the VIP community first. However, this is likely rather unfeasible and will not yield any fruit. So, I propose giving all registered players a chainsaw and a sniper as standard weapons for all classes, while leaving features such as car modding and a greater skin choice as VIP-exclusive, and also lowering the price for acquiring the VIP status.

2. "Rearrange all weapon packs and thus balance the battle power of each class, make additional civilian and terrorist classes, turn the civilian class into these: allied - hostile - neutral, downgrade all dual wield weapons (uzi and handgun) to single wield, create a command for the president to make allies from civilian class" - I believe these are rather drastic measures which would fundamentally change the powers/functions of the classes.

3. "Hire more admins and resolve the hacker problems, make all 100% determined hack detections, permanently banned, make cooperation between "clan" players in hostile classes punishable" - New mods are usually selected every 3 months. Also, during the mod selection period, the status of the existing mods (at that time) is closely examined - whether they're fit to be promoted to admins, resume their post or be demoted. This is a very sensitive issue, as it's not just about accumulating a greater number of staff members, it's about who's really able and willing to handle the duties. As for cooperation between members of hostile classes, this is indeed punishable. When such behavior is detected or recorded, those involved are always punished/warned.

4. "Put neutral civilians into godmode without the ability to hurt or be hurt by others
Implement more avatar skins" - I agree with these suggestions. For the first one, as Yomama pointed out, make sure their vehicles are destructible. Regarding the second one - yeah, a couple more skin options for regulars would looks nice and perhaps even motivate them to donate for the chance to select any skin they desire.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: YoMama on March 01, 2019, 10:21:52 pm
1. I propose giving all registered players a chainsaw and a sniper as standard weapons for all classes, while leaving features such as car modding and a greater skin choice as VIP-exclusive, and also lowering the price for acquiring the VIP status.
That doesn't solve the problem of snipers basically breaking the gamemode because they're so OP. At the very least, they need to be nerfed.

3. As for cooperation between members of hostile classes, this is indeed punishable. When such behavior is detected or recorded, those involved are always punished/warned.
It's often not cooperation as much as it is non-hostility. This ranges from ignoring a terrorist shooting the President or your team if you're security, or a cop driving by and the civilian on top is busy sniping protectors or the President (getting shot by a civilian this way is not a particularly unusual occurrence for me as President, but it's usually opportunistic, not a pattern). It's not unusual for me to have a gunner, then I get killed and the gunner walks away without fighting with the person who killed me at any point.

I have a video of a president walking around the armor spawn in LS, surrounded by terrorists who are not attacking him, but instead waiting for the next round of cops to show up. Is that punishable?
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: EnGin on March 02, 2019, 06:40:05 am
 
So, I propose giving all registered players a chainsaw and a sniper as standard weapons for all classes, while leaving features such as car modding and a greater skin choice as VIP-exclusive, and also lowering the price for acquiring the VIP status.

Many people over here bought VIP because of some features like weapons, car modification and skin. And I don't really think that whole VIP community will even allow this to happen and even if we allow this to happen then we can see more "Refund" topics over VIP board.

I think that this is whole reformation of the server wont happen but we can find some better solution than this.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on March 02, 2019, 09:31:51 am
THERE'S NO FREAKING BUYING,VIPS ARE DONATIONS.ONLY THE ADMINS WERE GENEROUS TO REFUND YOU WITH WEAPONS.THAT'S IT.Can y'all understand that?And I don't care what the VIPs will say,we need to remake this server into something acceptable.And we CAN'T sacrifice the server's well-being for some greedy kids.'Randoms' matter as much,even though they paid nothing but their time.If you want to stagnate with the player numbers,fine,don't do anything.But if you want the server to be swarming with players,do as I say.Everyone deserves an equal chance of winning.But as far as I see it,nothing will be changed.I waste all this time to explain some basic things,and the admins haven't even started implementing anything,I bet.I don't know what they are waiting for;more voting,maybe?We clearly have a majority over those who don't want to change anything...
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Nikola on March 02, 2019, 11:03:55 pm
1. I propose giving all registered players a chainsaw and a sniper as standard weapons for all classes, while leaving features such as car modding and a greater skin choice as VIP-exclusive, and also lowering the price for acquiring the VIP status.
That doesn't solve the problem of snipers basically breaking the gamemode because they're so OP. At the very least, they need to be nerfed.

3. As for cooperation between members of hostile classes, this is indeed punishable. When such behavior is detected or recorded, those involved are always punished/warned.
It's often not cooperation as much as it is non-hostility. This ranges from ignoring a terrorist shooting the President or your team if you're security, or a cop driving by and the civilian on top is busy sniping protectors or the President (getting shot by a civilian this way is not a particularly unusual occurrence for me as President, but it's usually opportunistic, not a pattern). It's not unusual for me to have a gunner, then I get killed and the gunner walks away without fighting with the person who killed me at any point.

I have a video of a president walking around the armor spawn in LS, surrounded by terrorists who are not attacking him, but instead waiting for the next round of cops to show up. Is that punishable?
Jonne tested sniper nerfing yesterday, it appears that setting the sniper skill level to 0 doesn't affect its efficiency in any shape or form. Chainsaw is a melee weapon, so trying to edit something here is pointless. Therefore, it's a choice of whether to leave everything as is and continue turning off newbies or try the 'equality' route (removing sniper and chainsaw altogether would prove catastrophic, I'm afraid).

Refusing to shoot opposing team members (without cooperating with them or hanging around with them) could be treated as dereliction of duty in certain cases, but it's realistically very hard to enforce - deciding whether the player was willing to shoot or not or perhaps if he was being inept/scared in that situation, or if he was distracted or looking at another target/map. A lot of these aspects are realistically always open to interpretation, so this is why non-security players generally have a free choice of who they'll shoot from the opposing classes (as long as they're not cooperating/riding with them).

If it's found out that a terrorist/cop/sec is sheltering a civilian that actively kills members of his own class, that terrorist/cop/sec will be warned.

If the president/terrorist camaraderie was that blatant as you describe it, the terrorists should be warned for their behavior.

So, I propose giving all registered players a chainsaw and a sniper as standard weapons for all classes, while leaving features such as car modding and a greater skin choice as VIP-exclusive, and also lowering the price for acquiring the VIP status.

Many people over here bought VIP because of some features like weapons, car modification and skin. And I don't really think that whole VIP community will even allow this to happen and even if we allow this to happen then we can see more "Refund" topics over VIP board.

The only way giving registered players chainsaw and sniper would affect the current VIPs is the increased difficulty of killing new players, who would have the same OP weapons that they do. I don't believe this to be a good enough reason to revoke help and support for the server you're playing in, but each to their own.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: AhMeD on March 03, 2019, 05:04:34 am
Let everything like as it is pls. If you removed the saw and sniper then you have fucked all the vips and all of them will feel like they have wasted their money. And if you give everyone saw and sniper then players who used to donate to get these weapons will no longer donate since it was the main reason of making them donate, also vips will feel that they got no specific weapons for them which is bullshit, skins are not enough. 

So either removing them from everyone or giving them to everyone will just lead that two things will happen.

1- Vips will get annoyed and feel like they wasted their money.
2- there will be no more donations for the server, since you have given everyone vip weapons, players won't donate for skin lol.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: YoMama on March 03, 2019, 08:16:51 am
Jonne tested sniper nerfing yesterday, it appears that setting the sniper skill level to 0 doesn't affect its efficiency in any shape or form. Chainsaw is a melee weapon, so trying to edit something here is pointless. Therefore, it's a choice of whether to leave everything as is and continue turning off newbies or try the 'equality' route (removing sniper and chainsaw altogether would prove catastrophic, I'm afraid).
Shit, that's too bad. It would have made things easier. Glad we finally know, though. Is this the same for all the other weapons? The skill is supposed to affect movement speed during use as well.

Isn't it possible to change the amount of damage a weapon does? What about correlating sniper damage to the distance? Or adding some kind of randomness, adding a delay between shots, limiting ammo, etc.? It's not like there's one way to nerf it.

Let everything like as it is pls. If you removed the saw and sniper then you have fucked all the vips and all of them will feel like they have wasted their money. And if you give everyone saw and sniper then players who used to donate to get these weapons will no longer donate since it was the main reason of making them donate, also vips will feel that they got no specific weapons for them which is bullshit, skins are not enough. 

So either removing them from everyone or giving them to everyone will just lead that two things will happen.

1- Vips will get annoyed and feel like they wasted their money.
2- there will be no more donations for the server, since you have given everyone vip weapons, players won't donate for skin lol.
You get fast skins, nitro/hydraulics, force-reclassing (which is now limited, so we've already set a precedent for scaling back VIP features), and plenty of other little goodies. It's not like you'd be bereft of VIP features. Honestly, I'm okay with the saw remaining if the sniper goes-- the saw is OP like the combat shotgun is; it's useless at a distance.

I think if we'd had a server owner at the time lagcomp happened who actually cared about balancing when it affected people who were not himself, this would have never been an issue. The sniper was never so ridiculously powerful before, but since he benefited, he didn't fix it.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: EnGin on March 03, 2019, 09:27:44 am
We can simply decrease the damage given by the sniper? maybe that solve the problem
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on March 03, 2019, 10:24:40 pm
ded server
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Tuco on March 04, 2019, 01:06:53 am
This is going to be my tenth year playing PTP:

I think that the main issue that requires reformation is the fact that not even a 20% of the server likes the freaking Gamemode. What's the point of playing a server whose name is PROTECT THE PRESIDENT if you are not going to participate in either protecting him or attacking him?

This is the main factor that keeps me from playing more...

I am sure you will be happier playing Battlefield, or CoD servers.... or GTA Online. Please, leave this server for the people who likes the GM.

I would be radical and I'd suggest taking health from people that are, i.e., figthing against each other but KMs away from the president.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on March 04, 2019, 04:17:58 pm
If you removed the saw and sniper then you have fucked all the vips and all of them will feel like they have wasted their money. And if you give everyone saw and sniper then players who used to donate to get these weapons will no longer donate since it was the main reason of making them donate, also vips will feel that they got no specific weapons for them which is bullshit, skins are not enough. 
Hmph you're the one to talk,you play with nothing but sniper smh what's the point of playing when VIPs take out their snipers and everyone else is supposed to sit like a duck?
+1 for Tuco.I'm one of those that plays because the mode is such as it is.Not for the kills.And those who follow my play know that I only play as a defender and/or civilian,plus I do not randomly shoot civilians if they agree to help.That's what the game should be like more.ROLEPLAYING.
One more thing: of course it's almost impossible to determine if some people are cooperating when it's forbidden.Because we don't have admins online 24/7.If we had them,they'd keep an eye on the game and analyze every report that comes from the players.
I don't need snipers to be nerfed,they need to be confiscated.As YoMama said,you still have other benefits,plus you could get some other minor weapons.But then we'd need a big re-balance.Why not have a maintenance and replace all classess' weapons as they should be?VIPs could have the rifle by default,while randoms would have to type /holiday eng, and get fewer bullets.The same could go for the spray can.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Srex_Zangetsu on March 06, 2019, 09:41:48 am
So,14 out of 24 people voted for changes,ones or the others.Will there be something done?Do I post again,for the people who would vote for changes,to decide what should/could be done?I expect a lot from the admins.Also,we deff need more admins,who would keep the activity continuity and check all /reports and if there are some obvious hackers.I urge admins to ban all hackers for good since they really spoil the game.
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: cobby on March 07, 2019, 06:05:11 am
@Jonne - its time for u to come here plz.sleepy jonne
Title: Re: The reformation of the server:available or not?
Post by: Jonne on May 05, 2019, 06:11:55 pm