[To be added]Swat van armour/full armour for security

[Quido]

Yeah, I think the security class should spawn with 100 armour again. With the current state of the game, security need a little buff to withstand the power of the terrorists.

Having a vehicle that gives armour to the protecting classes would also help the situation and should be atleast tried out. If it is deemed to be too strong, the vehicle could only spawn after a certain time has passed in the current map or instead of instantly gaining armour it slowly regenerates making you more vulnerable.

[George]

I like your first suggestion about giving full armor to securities, that will obviousily prevent abuse and complicate such reports, against rule-break.
For the second suggestion, I think it'll be abusive.

[Captain]

+1
+1

[LPCOLTER]

What if we randomise the spawn position of the swat van in every map like set it's location to 10-15 spots and randomise where it will spawn people will find it etc etc
Slow armour regeneration is also a good point.

[Saurabh]

Make swat be useful here. How? :
1. Make these vans/vehicle(2 max) spawn at swat spawn. Don't make them respawn after they get destroyed.
2. Only let Swat class drive it.
3. Only let president and security class take armour from these vans.(not cops or swats). A player can restore armour only once.
4. Whenever president types/bu an extra van spawns at swat spawn (2+1=3 vans , assuming that the default two vans weren't destroyed) and the swat team is sent a msgs about it.
5. For every player that restores armour using the van, the last driver(someone in swat) gets half score or maybe other bonus like grenades or rifle ammo.

[Haunter]

I like the idea of slow regenrating armour , we could put a few swat vans at the swat spawn according to Saurabh , as well as some scattered around the map. I don't think /bu should be considered as a way of spawning another van because the president could just keep spamming it every now and then. Back to the slow regenarating point , the armour/hp could fill up 5 per second meaning , 5 seconds in the van would result +25 hp. However that doesnt mean they can't die in the car, the player would be vulnerable to any attack. Overall I'm supporting the swat van idea , I would like to see it implemented either way.

[Ege]

Make swat be useful here. How? :
1. Make these vans/vehicle(2 max) spawn at swat spawn. Don't make them respawn after they get destroyed.
2. Only let Swat class drive it.
3. Only let president and security class take armour from these vans.(not cops or swats). A player can restore armour only once.
4. Whenever president types/bu an extra van spawns at swat spawn (2+1=3 vans , assuming that the default two vans weren't destroyed) and the swat team is sent a msgs about it.
5. For every player that restores armour using the van, the last driver(someone in swat) gets half score or maybe other bonus like grenades or rifle ammo.

Not just that this makes the suggestion better, it can also make SWAT class more relevant. I'd like to see this.

[Son_Gun]

So now swat class can have objective of driving swat vans arround map for securities and presi?

[Chetan]

1. I'm going to suggest once again that security class should spawn with full armour.  The simple reason is that if security are not allowed to leave president's side, they should not have to go to get armour.

Security spawning with full armour will only make them over-powered. Some presidents camp near spawn.(I had seen them that's why I am saying this.) Giving the securities full armour will just make it impossible to kill the president if he's camping near spawn. So -1


I am changing my vote to +1

2. The old players would remember that getting in and out of a swat van gave you armour. I used to love that. It can benefit all teams as long as the vans are fairly positioned.

This seems good. We can give it a try. +1 Give them these limitations tho:

Make swat be useful here. How? :
1. Make these vans/vehicle(2 max) spawn at swat spawn. Don't make them respawn after they get destroyed.
2. Only let Swat class drive it.
3. Only let president and security class take armour from these vans.(not cops or swats). A player can restore armour only once.
4. Whenever president types/bu an extra van spawns at swat spawn (2+1=3 vans , assuming that the default two vans weren't destroyed) and the swat team is sent a msgs about it.
5. For every player that restores armour using the van, the last driver(someone in swat) gets half score or maybe other bonus like grenades or rifle ammo.

[Khan]

Security spawning with full armour will only make them over-powered. Some presidents camp near spawn.(I had seen them that's why I am saying this.) Giving the securities full armour will just make it impossible to kill the president if he's camping near spawn. So -1

Security in reality have never been over powered. If they're not allowed to leave president's side. They should not have the need to go & get armour. And we all know if they do go to get armour, There is always someone present at armour spawn who would shoot and later cry about security not doing /duty. Its a no brainer. Security always tries to refil their armour but always leave with less than what they come to armour spawn with, Thanks to armour campers meanwhile presi is by himself.

[Zeta]

1:-1
2:+1

[Chetan]

Security spawning with full armour will only make them over-powered. Some presidents camp near spawn.(I had seen them that's why I am saying this.) Giving the securities full armour will just make it impossible to kill the president if he's camping near spawn. So -1

Security in reality have never been over powered. If they're not allowed to leave president's side. They should not have the need to go & get armour. And we all know if they do go to get armour, There is always someone present at armour spawn who would shoot and later cry about security not doing /duty. Its a no brainer. Security always tries to refil their armour but always leave with less than what they come to armour spawn with, Thanks to armour campers meanwhile presi is by himself.

Well I Never looked this that way. So, I changed my vote +1

[Miau]

I agree with the first suggestion. At the moment, securities are allowed to abandon the president if they want to get full armor, and they usually spend a number of minutes during which they are of no use at all for the president. They should be either disallowed to abandon the president for full armor or get it from the beginning. And I like the second option, as the /duty rule is already very hard to enforce and we don't want to make it even worse.

About Enforcers, I like the idea. I'd suggest to slowly regenerate armor to the driver and all the passengers of the Enforcer. Otherwise, players would bring them to fights and quickly enter them every time they are about to die, which would make them nearly invulnerable. Also, I would place them in SWAT spawns. As SWAT and cops spawn practically in the same place of every map (in except for NSA), I would move SWAT spawns further from police stations so it's not that easy for cops to take advantage of the Enforcers. After all, this feature is expected to encourage use of the SWAT class, not to empower cops and terrorists even more.

[Deadman]

I agree with the first suggestion. At the moment, securities are allowed to abandon the president if they want to get full armor, and they usually spend a number of minutes during which they are of no use at all for the president. They should be either disallowed to abandon the president for full armor or get it from the beginning. And I like the second option, as the /duty rule is already very hard to enforce and we don't want to make it even worse.

About Enforcers, I like the idea. I'd suggest to slowly regenerate armor to the driver and all the passengers of the Enforcer. Otherwise, players would bring them to fights and quickly enter them every time they are about to die, which would make them nearly invulnerable. Also, I would place them in SWAT spawns. As SWAT and cops spawn practically in the same place of every map (in except for NSA), I would move SWAT spawns further from police stations so it's not that easy for cops to take advantage of the Enforcers. After all, this feature is expected to encourage use of the SWAT class, not to empower cops and terrorists even more.

Sounds way better than the actual suggestion. +1

[Saurabh]

So now swat class can have objective of driving swat vans arround map for securities and presi?

Yes .

I like mia's idea of slowly regenerating health in these vans. But i am still against letting cops/swat , terros and civils to refill using these vans.