Plan B
General => Suggestions => Topic started by: Miau on December 28, 2017, 12:40:46 am
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I don't know if you share my perception, but there has always been here an overwhelming majority of new players in the server that are completely lost. I mean, people that have absolutely no clue about what they are supposed to do. There are some milder cases, like people who have some experience in SA-MP but can't figure out some little tricks that are usually critical to lead their team to victory (for example, what to do as presi and what not to do). On the other hand, there are people that don't even know that sub machine guns can be used while running, or don't even know how to aim with them.
It's necessary to make newbies more relevant in the game. Right now, if your team mates are newbies it's like you had no team mates at all.
I suggest a simple dialog that pops up for new players. They could choose to accept and start the tutorial or close it and continue playing. Maybe not only just after they first spawn, since they are likely to skip it, eager to try out the server as soon as possible. But it could pop up when they have died a few times, it would exploit their frustration :)
I was also thinking about offering them a reward for making the effort to take the tutorial, like a temporary special weapon or something.
I consider it's very important to make the tutorial available in all the major languages: English, Spanish, Serbo-Croatian, Arabic, Hindi, Portuguese, maybe Russian, French, Tagalog... Most of those who are lost, find themselves in that situation because of the language handicap. It could just automatically set up the language based on the players' country IPs.
You can count on me to translate it to Spanish and also for all the necessary scripting ;)
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As far as i remember,this is not a roleplay server and you don't need boring ass description on what to do on a TDM server,lol.
And even the 9y old kid would understand the gameplay within few hours.
Not necessary.
I mean,if you really decide to get a brief description for the server,itt should go like this:
1. Wow,i need to kill the president to win.
2. Fuck this,i always get killed by VIP and their brothers in arms (clans).
3. Omg,i liek this server. I want to get famous and respected here. I'll buy VIP and hop in a clan.
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I don't really think giving newbies special advantage over other players just to make them learn about the server is a good idea.
So, -1 for the special weapons stuff.
Do take a look here -
https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=552.0
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And even the 9y old kid would understand the gameplay within few hours.
I rather taking a look at reality than fantasizing what a 9 year old would do. And reality is that there are very lost players, and they are a lot. Or maybe you and I live in paralel universes, I don't know. But in my universe it's semi-impossible to find a newbie to team up with that is actually helpful and knows what to do.
Anyways, I'm pretty sure many people think the same way you do and consider the tutorial boring. That's why it's absolutely up to every player to decide if he wants to take it or not.
I don't really think giving newbies special advantage over other players just to make them learn about the server is a good idea.
So, -1 for the special weapons stuff.
Do take a look here -
https://planbserver.com/forum/index.php?topic=552.0
I think it is a good idea because it would encourage them to take the tutorial, which can be very unattractive at the beginning but has a positive impact on their game experience later on. Now it's your turn to say why it's not a good idea.
The suggestion you linked is about turning /ptp into a tutorial. This goes much further than the info contained in /ptp and /rules. The objective is to make new players actually helpful team mates, based on tips to improve their performance, tactics, etc.
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Not a bad idea overall, as long as it's not too much of a "holding their hand" kind of tutorial. There should be some things that they need to figure out for themselves, but we could cover the very basic stuff.
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This goes much further than the info contained in /ptp and /rules. The objective is to make new players actually helpful team mates, based on tips to improve their performance, tactics, etc.
We are not going to tell them everything we discovered by playing. This should be just informing them about different health/armor spawn, how to re-class, team objective and what the blips on maps are(red being enemy and rest being same team). This should be more than enough to help new players understand what goes on in the game mode.
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The idea is to make something like the tutorial in GTA SA single player.
(https://img.fireden.net/v/image/1449/67/1449670959236.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zj5S_5-qjaw/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fEx35u3U_n4/maxresdefault.jpg)
It's not about a long boring tutorial, but about a bunch of tips that pop up when you need to know. In the beginning, the player would select how much help they need: no help at all, only advanced tips, only gamemode/rules and advanced tips or all the tips, including those about very basic SA-MP mechanics.
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I don't know why this suggestion is getting negative votes,
I don't know about you but I really think this should be added. Many( not so many) guys help new players [sometimes (rarely)] but many times it gets difficult to communicate because of language barrier. This suggestion is best for helping newbies, and trust me /ptp, /duty and /rules suck coz "what's /duty, /rule /ptp?.....said no new ptp player ever" plus if you don't understand English then you'll don't know inglas. "There's no need for it rightnow" is not a good argument against suggestions like this.
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The idea is to make something like the tutorial in GTA SA single player.
(https://img.fireden.net/v/image/1449/67/1449670959236.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zj5S_5-qjaw/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fEx35u3U_n4/maxresdefault.jpg)
It's not about a long boring tutorial, but about a bunch of tips that pop up when you need to know. In the beginning, the player would select how much help they need: no help at all, only advanced tips, only gamemode/rules and advanced tips or all the tips, including those about very basic SA-MP mechanics.
Tutorial like this would work for me to be honest.
+1.
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The idea is to make something like the tutorial in GTA SA single player.
(https://img.fireden.net/v/image/1449/67/1449670959236.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zj5S_5-qjaw/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fEx35u3U_n4/maxresdefault.jpg)
It's not about a long boring tutorial, but about a bunch of tips that pop up when you need to know. In the beginning, the player would select how much help they need: no help at all, only advanced tips, only gamemode/rules and advanced tips or all the tips, including those about very basic SA-MP mechanics.
Your idea is somehow good but in the other hand...I don't know what the problem is but i give +1.Let's see what others will give vote
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We should have that, agreed.
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I don't really think giving newbies special advantage over other players
What special advantage are you talking about?
I see no reason why this should not be added. +1
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The idea is to make something like the tutorial in GTA SA single player.
(https://img.fireden.net/v/image/1449/67/1449670959236.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zj5S_5-qjaw/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fEx35u3U_n4/maxresdefault.jpg)
+1, that will be really helpful.
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sounds cool +1
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Yes , this would also encourage the newbies to stay rather than leaving because they keep dying etc... however I don't agree about giving them special weapons the tutorial itself is a benefit. We were all once the same If we used special weapons that would just not be the same as training 'hard'.
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+1
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Give them RpGs and Molotov’s maybe then they have a chance !!
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I don't really think giving newbies special advantage over other players just to make them learn about the server is a good idea.
And giving regulars their VIP features (aka "special advantage") over newbies IS a good idea.
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I don't really think giving newbies special advantage over other players just to make them learn about the server is a good idea.
And giving regulars their VIP features (aka "special advantage") over newbies IS a good idea.
Yes.
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I don't really think giving newbies special advantage over other players just to make them learn about the server is a good idea.
And giving regulars their VIP features (aka "special advantage") over newbies IS a good idea.
Yes it is, actually. Because someone paid real money to support the server and to get those "advantages".
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to support the server and to get those "advantages"
Nah, boy. You can take only 1: you are "supporting" server without getting any "advantages" OR you BUY "advantages" because you are to low to play as normal player.
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to support the server and to get those "advantages"
Nah, boy. You can take only 1: you are "supporting" server without getting any "advantages" OR you BUY "advantages" because you are to low to play as normal player.
This server would not exist if everyone was like you
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This server would not exist if everyone was like you
You are right. Because i do not see how i can donate to someone who kicked this gamemode to such a shithole.
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This server would not exist if everyone was like you
You are right. Because i do not see how i can donate to someone who kicked this gamemode to such a shithole.
It works for the majority of players ,
Ofc its not perfect but this Its still an extrem old game
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It works for the majority of players ,
Ofc its not perfect but this Its still an extrem old game
I am just wondering what do you mean when saying "its not perfect"?
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It works for the majority of players ,
Ofc its not perfect but this Its still an extrem old game
I am just wondering what do you mean when saying "its not perfect"?
No you don t for example your topic about admins and their handling with the duty issue
Clans not shooting their clanmates as sec etc.
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... Because i do not see how i can donate to someone who kicked this gamemode to such a shithole.
Lol it's so funny how much you're crying about everything lately :D As if it was any different on Tenshi's server. You should make your own PTP, I'm much interested to see what that would look like lol
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Why not ?
+1
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No you don t for example your topic about admins and their handling with the duty issue
Clans not shooting their clanmates as sec etc.
I still can not understand your "logical reasoning" you adressing to me.
I am asking what do you mean when you are saying "it is not perfect"? What do you mean by IT and what exactly not perfect about IT?
If you have something to say about my topic where i was talking about "/duty issue", you can share your thoughts there.
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No you don t for example your topic about admins and their handling with the duty issue
Clans not shooting their clanmates as sec etc.
I still can not understand your "logical reasoning" you adressing to me.
I am asking what do you mean when you are saying "it is not perfect"? What do you mean by IT and what exactly not perfect about IT?
If you have something to say about my topic where i was talking about "/duty issue", you can share your thoughts there.
I m just saying I agree with you on the /duty admin issue with „its not perfect“
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Please, get back on topic. In case you didn't notice, it's about tutorial for new players.
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I agree,this will be great for new players. +1
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Great idea, new players could definitely use more support to better integrate themselves into this server. I especially agree about giving them an incentive for watching the tutorial, like sniper ammo or grenades. And by the way - if this idea gets implemented, I can cover the Serbian version of the tutorial. :)
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+1
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+1
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+1 , many players don't know the point of the server , and if you could add the basic ( or most important ) commands like /rc and /holiday and /tpm or "!" ... etc , because i see a lot of people asking for them every time i'm ingame ; I know there are like some bot messages that tell the commands but newbies don't pay that much attention to them .
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GlennN needs this, along with an SAMP Tutorial. +1
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Surely it would help newcomers, but I honestly think that the current guide commands we have (like /ptp, /faq, /duty or /commands in general) are enough for players who's strange into nothing but the gamemode. But as it's been mentioned if you're aiming to help those who doesn't have a clue about even the basic stuff like running weapons, drive-by etc. then your tutorial should be extremely detailed as it has to include the basic knowledge like mentioned. And I don't think this server is the place to learn SA-MP from beginning. To sum it up, if you have a basic knowledge about the GTA:SA and SA-MP but you're completely new into the Plan B server, the commands we currently have are enough to unserstand what to do and what not in the server.
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I think that this not really needed.
Explanation:
I used to play RP servers/DM servers before PTP, they used to have the same thing.Whenever we used to register, that tutorial came and all players used to hate it. Actually players don't even read those tutorials and if you want to play and not get killed by any other player, then you need to do it all alone. We need to learn how to do things alone. I don't really know whether someone will like this post or not, but yes, its a full explanation of not having that system
Cheers!
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Agreed, most people simply don't care to check the rules of the server they join and maybe they don't speak English, so this is definitely needed.
+1
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This will be added in the future.