Plan B

Off Topic => Off Topic => Topic started by: style! on March 21, 2017, 10:20:07 pm

Title: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: style! on March 21, 2017, 10:20:07 pm
I just saw Mafia game (which seems really cool), so I have decided to post an idea I had some time ago. I hope you all could help me to develop it.

The idea is a friendly tournament to find the best team of PTP.

How? The basis:
 - There will be two teams of 3 player.
 - Each team will play at least 3 times as "defenders" (sec/cop) and other 3 times as terrorists (always same).
 - Defenders will win one point if president survives.
 - Terrorists will win one point if they kill the president.
 - Team with more points win the game.
 - A regular will watch all the game, be care about fair play and report the result at the end on forums.
 - A ranking of best teams of the month will be placed on forums.
 - Each 6 months, single-elimination tournament will be made with last best teams.

* Numbers can be modified

Post your suggestions/feelings/whatever you want.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Crash on March 21, 2017, 10:29:43 pm
This sounds fun and exciting! Count me in.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Uthar_Smith on March 21, 2017, 10:33:49 pm
If it's well organized, great idea! Count me in too :D
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: SoLoD on March 21, 2017, 10:39:24 pm
I have an idea, regulars will play an actual GM in the server. And it is not even all, they will play IN THE DIFFERENT TEAMS!
(http://i.imgur.com/N27z5UN.gif)
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: PraY on March 21, 2017, 10:49:15 pm
Very good idea, count me in too :D
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: SLiKkeZ[GgT] on March 21, 2017, 10:50:27 pm
im in
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Sani on March 21, 2017, 10:58:19 pm
Count me in :D  8)
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Finisher on March 21, 2017, 10:59:51 pm
I don't really understand the point of this idea at all.

I like the competition you're trying to do but..Is /duty so irrelevant to the point that we need to hold tournaments in order to get two teams of the players to play the GM the way it's meant to be played?

All I can understand is that you have been playing as Civilian(non duty class) for at least three years straight. You probably forgot what duty is, I might make it sound harsh but it's the truth.. If this was not the case, please explain to me what's really unique or new in your “idea”

Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Quido on March 21, 2017, 11:00:00 pm
Shuuuure
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Goldy on March 21, 2017, 11:12:48 pm
Count me in :D  8)
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Rage on March 21, 2017, 11:21:26 pm
Count me in bro :)
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: M a k a v e l i . on March 21, 2017, 11:52:43 pm
This sounds fun and exciting! Count me in.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Miau on March 22, 2017, 12:01:17 am
I don't get how you are going to prevent the rest of the server from taking part in the defence or attack so these teams can show their abilities with no interferences.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Crash on March 22, 2017, 12:07:20 am
I don't get how you are going to prevent the rest of the server from taking part in the defence or attack so these teams can show their abilities with no interferences.
If you came up with that idea,maybe you can tell them?
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: GlennN on March 22, 2017, 03:30:40 am
So this will be an "in-game" tournament, unlike the Mafia game?
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Maddy on March 22, 2017, 05:03:18 am
Very exciting, count me in too.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Manish on March 22, 2017, 02:23:05 pm
Sounds a good idea as long as the actual game-mode does not get affected.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Jai_Kundu on March 22, 2017, 03:41:31 pm
This sounds fun and exciting! Count me in.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: LPCOLTER on March 22, 2017, 03:42:32 pm
This is perfect but there should be a team of two also!
Count me in btw
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Miau on March 22, 2017, 05:34:18 pm
I don't get how you are going to prevent the rest of the server from taking part in the defence or attack so these teams can show their abilities with no interferences.
If you came up with that idea,maybe you can tell them?

Tell everybody in the server, including those who don't speak English and can barely communicate in their language, to refrain from playing the game?

I don't think this is possible, unless it's done in another virtual world or server, which seems complicated.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Rev on March 22, 2017, 05:45:09 pm
I'm sorry but this makes no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Satvik on March 22, 2017, 05:53:01 pm
Im in
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Finisher on March 22, 2017, 06:48:10 pm
I'm sorry but this makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm not surprised that most of the players are “excited”, I'll tell you why, they never get to play the game mode properly because you know.. Clan wars, friendships and asslickers. Those are the three excuses that stop the majority of ptp players to not follow their duty and this has been a downfall for a long time.

So I advice everyone to play with a purpose and duty. It will be more fun, and entertaining. The clans are a major pain in the ass but get over it.

I really hate it when terrorists ask in the main chat “Can I try?” “Can we attack?“ please, think about it. It's just like any other competitive game, you're not going to hell for shooting your friends in a game. Thanks for reading
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Miau on March 22, 2017, 08:20:09 pm
I'm not surprised that most of the players are “excited”, I'll tell you why, they never get to play the game mode properly because you know.. Clan wars, friendships and asslickers. Those are the three excuses that stop the majority of ptp players to not follow their duty and this has been a downfall for a long time.

So I advice everyone to play with a purpose and duty. It will be more fun, and entertaining. The clans are a major pain in the ass but get over it.

I really hate it when terrorists ask in the main chat “Can I try?” “Can we attack?“ please, think about it. It's just like any other competitive game, you're not going to hell for shooting your friends in a game. Thanks for reading

Haha, that drives me bananas too...
Logically, this is the only and first chance for many people to play the game as it is supposed to be played, so I understand the generalized excitement. There's no doubt that killing the president while the skilled-regular cops shoot you is way more challenging and fun than facing only some weak resistance from a bunch of lost newbies. Not to mention this bunch of newbies eventually gets frustrated because they can't handle the regulars by themselves as half of their team refuses to shoot them.
Unfortunately, it seems that the objective is to get the highest possible ratio and enjoy the psychologic reward of a victory. Although I don't understand it, since it's an unnatural victory as long as you give up fighting those who are a challenge for you to focus on those who are no match.

Since I started playing like that, the challenging way, I haven't regretted it for a single minute. And I'm sure Altus and Fini would say the same. I hope this becomes a daily routine instead of an organized event one day.  ;)
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Skittles on March 22, 2017, 09:36:40 pm
I'm sorry but this makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm not surprised that most of the players are “excited”, I'll tell you why, they never get to play the game mode properly because you know.. Clan wars, friendships and asslickers. Those are the three excuses that stop the majority of ptp players to not follow their duty and this has been a downfall for a long time.

So I advice everyone to play with a purpose and duty. It will be more fun, and entertaining. The clans are a major pain in the ass but get over it.

I really hate it when terrorists ask in the main chat “Can I try?” “Can we attack?“ please, think about it. It's just like any other competitive game, you're not going to hell for shooting your friends in a game. Thanks for reading

Pwnt!
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: style! on March 22, 2017, 10:23:52 pm
I don't get how you are going to prevent the rest of the server from taking part in the defence or attack so these teams can show their abilities with no interferences.
If you came up with that idea,maybe you can tell them?

Tell everybody in the server, including those who don't speak English and can barely communicate in their language, to refrain from playing the game?

I don't think this is possible, unless it's done in another virtual world or server, which seems complicated.

I don't see this as a big trouble. Both teams will have "interferences", no big deal since most of regular can beat 99% of newbies.

All I can understand is that you have been playing as Civilian(non duty class) for at least three years straight. You probably forgot what duty is, I might make it sound harsh but it's the truth.. If this was not the case, please explain to me what's really unique or new in your “idea”

So.. who really knows what duty is? you? oh! pls, then explain me then!!!

About what's new in my idea? It covers a feature that is not "avaliable" in game: /stats cmd doesn't focus on GM.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: MAR. on March 22, 2017, 10:33:36 pm
count me toooo !!!
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Altus_Demens on March 24, 2017, 11:03:01 pm
First, thanks for your interest and favour to our Mafia game, style. I would be glad to see you among the participants if we start another round in the future.

But, in turn, I cannot unfortunately express any acceptance towards your suggestion. Seriously, basically you suggest to create a game to encourage the regulars to play the gamemode. What for are they supposed to be on the server? It should be even kind of humiliating for them: you treat them like they are not capable of self-organizing even to play the game how it was supposed to be, to be fair, entertaining and attractive to the most of the players (well, it is true, but anyways!).

For now I see this idea as something senseless, unnecessary and contradicting the metaphysical concept of our server. Sorry, but I am against this.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: M[A]DNess on March 26, 2017, 06:00:30 pm
Im IN!
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Hito on March 26, 2017, 07:23:52 pm
Add me
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: PraY on March 26, 2017, 09:20:54 pm
I think that it should be added in suggestions, because this suggestion is related to the game
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Niks on March 27, 2017, 05:59:07 am

I'm not surprised that most of the players are “excited”, I'll tell you why, they never get to play the game mode properly because you know.. Clan wars, friendships and asslickers. Those are the three excuses that stop the majority of ptp players to not follow their duty and this has been a downfall for a long time.

So I advice everyone to play with a purpose and duty. It will be more fun, and entertaining. The clans are a major pain in the ass but get over it.

I really hate it when terrorists ask in the main chat “Can I try?” “Can we attack?“ please, think about it. It's just like any other competitive game, you're not going to hell for shooting your friends in a game. Thanks for reading

So basically Finisher is  completely a Mia version2,  I just want to ask you that if you are saying us that we are not gonna punish in the hell for killing our friends then why dont you three (Mia,Altus,Fini) kill each other,  why always run for the same team, why the hell are you still in the clan name some pWn, play the game in a best part it meant to be played or like the way you want to play but dont ever try to judge or command people what to do,  its their own wish own choices,  i am surprised that why you choosed that fucking clan in begining of the time, is it so you guys dont have friends?   So you want to kill all? ( nobody gives a shit for that) Remember one thing we have many friends inculding the random kills we got daily,  we have more fun in that way,  and morover I am not anyone to stop you playing your way, its ok,  but we are ok in our virtual world let us be? I want all three of you joining different teams and fucking each others soon Thanks for reading @Fini

About the post its a great idea if it can be possible to arrange
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: SoLoD on March 27, 2017, 07:16:55 am
>ptp
>competitive
Not from 2011. Or even earlier.
No point to talk to retarded regulars that playing "all 15 regulars on one team, 2 newbs on another". You can simply open tab and look by urself whats going on.
But the ones that talk here about competitive gameplay? Talking how hard is it for you?
Do you join the weakest team? Do you spend your time by looking nicknames in fights? Or maybe you were voting for "competitive" suggestions, even if you are weak on it (rustlers?).
Do not fool yourselfs. I need 1 finger to count all regulars that play "competitive" ptp. And no, he is not talking here about definition of "competition".
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Finisher on March 27, 2017, 07:45:56 am
Niks calm down bhai and try to form a decent reply because yours sucked and made zero sense...

Solod is absoloutely right
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Niks on March 27, 2017, 09:11:59 am
Calm down?  It sucks man...you guys are just like a chameleon who changes their colors time to time.... If someone says competitive game then why the clans are allowed on this server from the past 2009 or whatever it is, why you finisher or solod was ex clan members.. Now you guys realise the reality??? (oh yes we have fucking gamemode to play) After 8-9 years of gameplay???  Lel,  it makes me mad
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: COBRA on March 27, 2017, 09:12:42 am
So basically Finisher is  completely a Mia version2,  I just want to ask you that if you are saying us that we are not gonna punish in the hell for killing our friends then why dont you three (Mia,Altus,Fini) kill each other,  why always run for the same team, why the hell are you still in the clan name some pWn, play the game in a best part it meant to be played or like the way you want to play but dont ever try to judge or command people what to do,  its their own wish own choices,  i am surprised that why you choosed that fucking clan in begining of the time, is it so you guys dont have friends?   So you want to kill all? ( nobody gives a shit for that) Remember one thing we have many friends inculding the random kills we got daily,  we have more fun in that way,  and morover I am not anyone to stop you playing your way, its ok,  but we are ok in our virtual world let us be? I want all three of you joining different teams and fucking each others soon Thanks for reading @Fini
Well that's a great point Niks!

Yeah Fini & Mia, I see you guys crying about the "play the gamemode" more than Altus. That's why some players targetting you both more than Altus. Because Altus accepting it as that way as I can see. But you both always yelling in forum about friendly players teaming up, avoiding the fight with eachother. So if you really think playing game mode is fun, then let's see you 3 in different teams.


On topic: Yeah very good idea!
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Finisher on March 27, 2017, 10:08:19 am
I don't understand what's going on here, we do shoot each other. Problem solved? Lol
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Altus_Demens on March 27, 2017, 10:58:36 am
I didn't want to take part in this senseless argument, but since my name was mentioned and since COBRA has spoken for me, I guess I must do it.

Because Altus accepting it as that way as I can see.
My bad if my actions made you think so. Since my very first day on PTP I stood against this tainted regulars' unity. I just don't think that public arguments of the kind we see above ^ (which usually comes down to nothing more but mutual insults) can ever change anything or make anyone change his mind. I prefer to act more silently: I talk to people who start to show interest to change their playing style, or who is just opened to an adequate discussion about it. I admit I haven't managed to convince anyone but Mia fully during those... Wow, almost two years. But there was a certain amout of players who started to play more freely, less dependent from public opinion after our talks. I honestly do not feel much empathy towards most of the players, I don't care about the way they play; I just follow my own and try to encourage my friends to do so. Of course, I would like to see our community changed, and I try to do some effective moves towards it, which is expressed in talking to "adequate" players. If I don't join those fishwife-like arguments in the chat or on the Forum, you shouldn't be under a delusion about my true thoughts and intentions.

Now you guys realise the reality???
My Mia from 2017 and NO warrior Mia from 2015 are two different persons. In the beginning of our friendship we had some disputes about playing styles, about the way we should play. Eventually she shared my point of view. Now we are having fun and enjoying playing against everyone, playing the game the way it was supposed to be. Since we started to play this way, we have never regretted it - and I doubt we ever would.

I want all three of you joining different teams and fucking each others soon
Whenever we play in opposing teams, we do attack each other. I never look at nicknames fighting an enemy - be it Litteratus, Mia, Jonne or dizzy. It is right that me & (Mia | Litt) don't do it too often - mostly because even together the fights we are getting into are completely uneven at least in terms of the numbers. Although we are often trying to join the team we consider to be the weakest at the moment; if it gets too easy, we join civilians. Anyways, you know it even without my explanations.

But it doesn't matter. What are you doing is using a demagoguery pattern called ad hominem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem). Instead of talking about the matter of the discussion, you apply to the personality of your opponent. If I was Fini, I would just ignore it right away, because demagoguery is useless waste of time. But if he is enjoying it (it seems so), why not?

Remember one thing we have many friends inculding the random kills we got daily,  we have more fun in that way...
I doubt if I understood it correctly... But I sincerely wish that you, Niks, would never hold any public post in your country. Because basically what you're saying is called nepotism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism). You don't want fair and equitable game experience to every player - but only to your friends. As I stated million times, it kills the server. I remember it was so disguisting when me and Litt joined Securities during one of the first days of our playing; we were "protecting" some regular de jure, but de facto our only goal was to defend ourselves from "peaceful", "poor" and "innocent" civilians and terrorists who ignored the President and their "friends" among securities and focused only us. Don't know why I decided to stay here after seeing it - maybe I knew that I might change it in the future.



Summarizing: the main reason style's suggestion, which seems (but only seems!) to be nice, should never be implemented is that his suggestion is just an essence of our gamemode. This so-called "event" must be played in daily basis, because it is the way the game should be played.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: HASMA on March 27, 2017, 11:23:50 am
We have no interest about the people who have no original personality. Mia altus and your friends doesnt show their any own original personality. What you do and what you say doesnt match. First be a man, be original and then write here. You choosing the cry here instead of playing the game. If you gonna cry and if this game too hard for you, then you can play your barbie dolls with mia.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Finisher on March 27, 2017, 11:30:00 am
I can't help but to respect and love Altus, because nobody could have said it any better. I'm glad that you're part of this community!  :) 

Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: SoLoD on March 27, 2017, 12:11:43 pm
Mia
First be a man
(http://i.imgur.com/rU57WEG.gif) (http://i.imgur.com/V4DxHAM.gif) (http://i.imgur.com/HCMI9Gm.gif)

It is funny how some "oldies" are talking about 2009? You were not playing there in 2009. And you definitely do not know and do not understand a shit about clan stuff if you are asking "why clans exists".
It is not about clans, it is about community being rotten by itself.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Niks on March 27, 2017, 12:50:39 pm
For the full story of Altus, I dont give a fuck, even i didnt read anyone's of your reply( including mia finisher),  the main thing is for Finisher, Lets teach that fella Gamemode  :), i know you can better,  one of your student Mia have learnt her lesson, on behalf of Finisher tell me the training time (when i should call finisher) for gamemode lessons....
For solod, so bro u can count me in the oldies since 2009
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Finisher on March 27, 2017, 01:40:09 pm
For the full story of Altus, I dont give a fuck, even i didnt read anyone's of your reply( including mia finisher),  the main thing is for Finisher, Lets teach that fella Gamemode  :), i know you can better,  one of your student Mia have learnt her lesson, on behalf of Finisher tell me the training time (when i should call finisher) for gamemode lessons....
For solod, so bro u can count me in the oldies since 2009

Please calm down Niks, there's no reason for you to be mad. We're all just stating our opinions and having a decent discussion about this idea until now... And I really regret communitacting with you. No more replies from me, have a nice day Niks  ;D
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Manish on March 27, 2017, 03:39:30 pm
I doubt if I understood it correctly... But I sincerely wish that you, Niks, would never hold any public post in your country. Because basically what you're saying is called nepotism. You don't want fair and equitable game experience to every player - but only to your friends. As I stated million times, it kills the server. I remember it was so disguisting when me and Litt joined Securities during one of the first days of our playing; we were "protecting" some regular de jure, but de facto our only goal was to defend ourselves from "peaceful", "poor" and "innocent" civilians and terrorists who ignored the President and their "friends" among securities and focused only us. Don't know why I decided to stay here after seeing it - maybe I knew that I might change it in the future.
Naah, this wasn't needed here. Favoritism is part of everything whether you like it or not. By your logic of Favoritism(Nepotism), we would have to completely remove the "CLANS" system which is existed in SA-MP from its beginning. Everyone has a different way of playing the game which can possibly pissed off some players but as long the rules of the servers are respected there's no point of whining about it.


Anyway, we came far away from the actual topic lel.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Carg on March 27, 2017, 04:24:57 pm
Hello!  8)
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Barto on March 27, 2017, 04:26:53 pm
Hello!  8)
Hi!

(I believe we aren't allowed to do this, right?)
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Tounsix on March 27, 2017, 04:32:11 pm
If mia and altus or  Fini teams up and keep chasing you its okay,but if you do it they'll get mad and start crying,That's it.
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: Ege on March 27, 2017, 07:20:38 pm
Hello!  8)

Noone's PC needs format here. Gtfoh
Title: Re: [IDEA] PTP Tournament
Post by: style! on April 11, 2017, 01:58:17 pm
Sorry guys, I was totally away since last post. I would like to test 3 vs 3 these days, before I got busy with work again. :s