Plan B
General => Suggestions => Closed => Topic started by: Shark_The_Helicopter on October 11, 2017, 09:32:13 am
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Edited: Sorry for the inaccuracy and making the post look nigh retarded earlier in the Pool Cue related Section earlier.
My suggestion is to add diversity and possibilities to the gameplay by adding other Melee weapons.
VIPS having all the fun with the Chainsaws and the Katanas and the Non VIP regulars just stuck with the same Slow and Boring arse Dildo is meh to say in the least.
Now I know the Knife is buggy with it's stealth attack, so the possibility of bladed weapons is pretty much out of question (Fucc Rockstar for not adding the Beta Blade Weapons from VC >:( ) since the other two are VIP ones and the typical ''I brought VIP for this!" argument would successfully halt the thread, but at least we could add weapons such Baseball Bat and Small Vibrator.
Now the weapons I would prefer to add would be:
Baseball Bat:
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One of the Strongest Melee Weapons in game. Damage is 2/5 as compared to the most other Melee weapons who are stuck with the 1/5.
And Yeah, downside is you can't sprint with it but if in proper Hands it's very efficient in 1v1 and even 1vs2.
And this is a Basic GTA Melee weapon available in EVERY GTA game since the start of the 3D Era.
Pool Cue:
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The one with the Best Range.
The Pool cue has the standard 1/5 damage and can't be sprinted with but it makes up for it by having the longest Melee range of 2.25/5.
If timed well it can hit before the other weapon Hits you. It's unique Wooden Hit Sound is quite pleasant to hear while smacking someone in the face. The Poor man's response to the Chainsaw.
Small Vibrator or Dildo2:
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Damage is rather the standard 1/5 but the unique feature is that it's Attack Animation is the standard knife attack anim and one can't do the infamous buggy Stealth Kill from it.
Many SAMP players including me like this weapon as it adds on the close ranged attacks of the knife and can be paired up with the Boxing Style to achieve nice combos without causing the bleeding damage due to not being a blade. Fun as hell in Melee Battles.
Obviously you can sprint with these.
PS. For the people with Ds who are too conscious about the size when using the Double Ended Dildo can use this as a better Alternative. e.e
Now there are like only Two Melee weapons in game which are longer than the 'Small Melee' weapons and can be 'Sprinted' with:
The Nightstick:
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It has it's own advantage of being a Smaller Swing based weapon. It's shorter size means a more accurate close range. It's a bit faster to swing and can be paired up with the Boxing Style for a effective Rush In based attacks.
Golf Club:
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The Pool Cue's Shorter but Efficient Sibling. It's has a shorter range than the Pool Cue with a 0.25 difference but makes up for it by being able to Sprint with.
It's the Poor Man's Katana.
And Please don't make these VIP Exclusive Features too. We suggest here in the suggestion board to make the game better for everyone not only for the VIPs. The 'Skillz' argument can be applied to them too as any skilled Chainsaw user can defeat a Noob PoolCue'r and Vice Versa. Not to mention Lvl1 features are available to them too.
The Chainsaws Damage and RoF are still 5/5 as compared to the Bat's 2/5. It's range is actually on par with the Katana with a 1.5/5. Which not to mention the Katana is a better weapon than the Golf Club excluding the range. Which it will all boil down to eventually.
Honestly I would prefer Atleast Adding these weapons:
The Bat: A Basic GTA Weapon since the Start of the 3D Era. One simply doesn't expect to have a Purple Dildo as the Basic Melee Weapon. Strongest Weapon excluding the VIP weapons and it's slow movement make up for the Balance. (Honestly I would prefer the Pool Cue over this in countering Chainsaws but its Damage is the only thing I am keeping this here for)
The Dildo2: Satisfies all the reason you want a Knife as but a bit weaker and Balanced. Fun to pair up with the Boxing Fighting Style.
The GolfClub:Pretty much the better Pool Cue and a Poor Man's Katana[/u].
As of now I suggest it to add this for the Civillian class as for now it's the only class who like to have melee fun.
Ofc make it togglable like the /colts and /fs command. Eg: /MeleeB,/MeleeG,/MeleeV or a better alternative.
Extra Suggestions:
Give President The Cane instead of the Flowers:
Why tf does the Presi have Flowers? The President has to run for his damn life holding a Deagle and Flowers?
I mean..when he has no choice but to Melee it out he attacks with the Flowers only to see how fucked he is by seeing the only thing the flower does is to create a nice brushing sound effect and it does not even faze the opponent and his movements much, who is ready to press the LMB to screw him up.
Cane is weak but atleast has a proper attack Anim which resembles the Katana somewhat. And it makes sense for a High Class and a relatively Aged President to have nice looking Cane.
Enable /Katana for Duels:
It's so pointless to only have a Chainsaw against the faster and more balanced Katana. People like to have a 1 vs 1 Katana Standoff.
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+1,lets try sth new.
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Naah Admins are too lazy to do something
As a wise man named Crash once said, "Clearing Bugs are not updates"
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+1,lets try sth new.
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+1,lets try sth new.
No one cares mmhmm?
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Naah Admins are too lazy to do something
As a wise man named Crash once said, "Clearing Bugs are not updates"
Well that's why I suggested something less 'Radical' as compared to the other Suggestions like the Mt. Chilliad safehouse. Melee weapons are basic features in game and Civillian Melee Duel is common thing in Plan B.
Not only would adding these weapons would add more balance to the gameplay it would also boost the Fun Value due to unique variety of Melee weapons.
Melee weapons is a Basic Foundation of GTA since GTA1 and as I said earlier one simply does not expect a Purple Dildo as the only possible non VIP Melee weapon.
+1,lets try sth new.
No one cares mmhmm?
Well the topic started just today so I have some hope and the ratio is 2-1 in the least. \_(e.e)_/
And Don't worry I won't let this topic simply get buried. I will bump it during intervals incase of inactivity until I get the neccessary Discussion and Admin response.
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+1,lets try sth new.
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I think the fate of topics depend upon the person who is making the suggestion.
+1 and Quote this
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Preety good suggestions tho.......Why not we give a try to this things?
++1
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What the fuck? This became ridiculous. What the fuck you would do with those useless "nonweapons"? Troll around civil camp site? Or just troll around generaly?
You should've put the major usage of your "nonweapons" suggestion.
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What the fuck? This became ridiculous. What the fuck you would do with those useless "nonweapons"?
Wow just wow. Even tho I clearly mentioned that Melee is a basic foundation of GTA, mentioned the unique characteristics of each and also said WHY they should be added.
Did you like... read my suggestion at all? or just scrolled past and saw the dildos and wrote that post?
First of all it is a Weapon and every weapon I mentioned has the standard 1/5 damage stat excluding the Bat. It has it's own WEAPON SLOT. So denying them as weapons is just ignorant.
Troll around civil camp site? Or just troll around generaly?
That's why said limit it only to Civilians.
And are you saying that Melee wars don't occur at all in the civilian spawn? The only meh factor is that it all devolves to boring Dildo or €20 Chainsaw fight where the poorer man has to run. Which is why I am suggesting this to begin with, in order to increase the gameplay value and add balance.
You should've put the major usage of your "nonweapons" suggestion.
What? I wasn't able to understand,sorry. Elaborate please.
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You're relying on the damage caused by these weapons,are you awared that the only people you can kill with these weapons are (remind me)...? ? ?
I still can't find a single reason why this should be added,but nevermind.
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Lets try it.
+1
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President's flower is traditional thing and means "peace" since the first PTP; 2006. Well I can't get the point of this idea? Is it just for something new? Because I think it's not really needed ingame..
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I could see something like the pool cue getting really annoying, since it's much harder to avoid. I've always liked the President's flowers- it emphasizes the fact that the President is not a fighting class.
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Lets try it.
+1
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President's flower is traditional thing and means "peace" since the first PTP; 2006. Well I can't get the point of this idea? Is it just for something new? Because I think it's not really needed ingame..
I respect the Idea behind the flowers and if it's really a Traditional and Symbolic meaning and the players like it, I won't mind to be kept as it is.
Yes it's for something new and to add more fun in melee wars and some sort of melee defense without using literally one of the worst melee weapons in-game for the Lvl1 gameplay.
Well Iemme tell why it can be justified to be necessary aside from the fun aspect of the civilian side.
Simply put. A defense against Chainsaw whoring.
VIPs won't mind to use their chainsaws on a Lvl1.
Whether to simply use it in the usual DM aspect of the game or simply to statswhore at spawn. Lvl1s should have some sort of 'Decent' Defense against the VIP Melee.
Spraycan is practically useless overall because:
Movement+Attack ; which is how like 99% of Melee Combat works, favours the Chainsaw in all aspects by a wide margin.
A limited WW vs a RW.
Lagcomp favours the Chainsaw more on the receiving side.
Chainsaw sticking is EZ asf compared to handling a Spray alone.
Also the fact that Spray Triggers people more somehow.
Can only be spawned 5 times and the likelihood of it surviving 15 minutes is extremely unlikely.
Not to mention the fact it actually doesn't take the melee slot but rather the Extra item spot meaning one VIP can use both the chainsaw and the paint.
Adding the Pool Cue or Golf Club. Would give a proper chance to actually battle it out against a Chainsaw user due to it's range advantage.
In current circumstances you literally can't do nothing but run away. Now lemme give some reasons why running away isn't always the best idea.
-Most VIPs give a Chase with saw and them snipe them at CLOSE RANGE which is fucking pathetic when they have Deagles,M4s or AKs.
The Topsprees are really bait af as I literally see 50+ Sprees being done in Civilian Spawn by the VIPs using the above tactic.
-DM aspect: If a Lvl1 is actually interested to battle it out. It is noted he would dislike the chainsaw the most because he literally can't do shit against it making the whole close range Chainsaw combat virtually nonexistent.
I could see something like the pool cue getting really annoying, since it's much harder to avoid. I've always liked the President's flowers- it emphasizes the fact that the President is not a fighting class.
Pool Cue can't be moved with much either as it is a swing based weapon.
Trust me a Running Chainsaw is far much harder to avoid than a Pool Cue Attack in a 1 vs 1.
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pretty cool suggestions ;D +1
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+1.sounds good.
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I'll give it a +1 just because I wonder how you're gonna defend yourself with a pool cue lol :D
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I'll give it a +1 just because I wonder how you're gonna defend yourself with a pool cue lol :D
For this, I'm in too.
+1
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Well, Lohit, I just hope that you realise that your reasonings are mostly theoretical. Considering lags and very low damage dealt by the aforementioned weapons, they are not really applicable in a real fight against ranged or aerosol weapons. We could experiment with modifying their damage (at least up to 25-30 hp), but I don't feel that it would be right. We have weaker yet usable counterparts for VIP weapons: rifles for sniper rifles, spraycans for chainsaws. You said:
Spraycan is practically useless overall because:
Movement+Attack ; which is how like 99% of Melee Combat works, favours the Chainsaw in all aspects by a wide margin.
A limited WW vs a RW.
Lagcomp favours the Chainsaw more on the receiving side.
Chainsaw sticking is EZ asf compared to handling a Spray alone.
Also the fact that Spray Triggers people more somehow.
But you are not right here. A spraycan can be extremely useful in narrow places; sometimes it is more effective than a chainsaw. You need to hit your opponent at least once to freeze him for a few seconds, it doesn't work this way with a chainsaw. Of course, there are some glitches, but generally a spraycan attack, timed and directed properly, can be very powerful. At the open ground chainsaw is not effective too, you can easily kite with running weapons or just with a shotgun/deagle: I often do so against the high pingers.
My point is, you shouldn't treat those melee weapons as as self-defense tools. They are generally of little use, they might be added only for fun; that's why the purple dildo has ever been added. And yeah, it wouldn't harm. But I don't think that we should give it to anyone but civilians. I don't want to change weapon sets of any class, especially president: as YoMama said, the flowers are symbolic and traditional, they emphasise peaceful, running and hiding nature of the president. And vice versa: a golf club and flowers should only belong to the president and vice president.
So, I give +1 to this suggestion. As for the technical realisation, I'd like to see a set of simple commands such as /cue, /bat, /vibrator, /dildo, /nightstick, saving the choice for registered accounts.
Enable /Katana for Duels:
It's so pointless to only have a Chainsaw against the faster and more balanced Katana. People like to have a 1 vs 1 Katana Standoff.
Yea, why not. Let them feel the taste of VIP account. :) +1.
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I think this is totally unnecessary, we have security team which uses sawn-off shotgun already, the most powerful weapon in close range combat.
I don't see how mini dildos, or w/e could improve things better lol
Naah Admins are too lazy to do something
As a wise man named Crash once said, "Clearing Bugs are not updates"
Oh yeah? ;D Why don't you name me a server with less bugs than the PTP PlanB? Whatta crap dude..
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This seems fair on both sides. The VIP melee is yet stronger however the others can be used skillfully.
+1
As for the flowers I agree to the basic 2006 'peace' idea.
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Wtf i hate reading such a big ass passage u can just say add this wepons blah blah in one sentence each.
Come in game ill have you dead.np
+1
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Poll Added.
Tell me if you guys want to modify it or add some more options.
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-1, I like how the PTP and the teams are
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-1 I like the way the classes are set, if jonne feels there's something involving others gameplay with weapons set it will be implemented. But by far as current status everything's seems reasonable.
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I don't really see a need to add this, maybe we could add it for civilians, but I don't think you'll see it any time soon.