[Added]Disallow the "minor" c-bug

[Altus_Demens]

I think it's very important to deal with bugs in a reasonable and clear way. In the old PTP it wasn't always clear what we considered bugs, one admin would consider something a bug, while another admin wouldn't and it only confused the players. People thought certain bugs were allowed and then were suddenly banned for it (for example, switching to reload). So, we decided to, instead of forbidding all bugs, focus on a couple of bugs (2-shooting, c-bug and slide bug) which we thought were the most well known and gave the most advantage. This prevents a lot of questions and a lot of confusion, people don't have to ask admins anymore if a bug is allowed or not.

Sure thing. We don't need no witchhunt and bugs inquisition where each inquisitor has his own opinion about what is allowed and what is not. The point is, we are trying to modify the convention to prohibit one bug more which is unwanted by a lot of players (according to the current vote results).

Another big part of this is that these bugs are easily preventable with scripts. New people don't even have to read the rules on what's allowed or not, if they try to C-bug or 2-shoot, they'll get automatically warned, so they're immediately aware that they can't use that bug. We no longer have to deal with reports about bug abusing, which also saves us a lot of time. I think with the "minor" C-bug, we'll have a lot of 'grey zone' (at what point is it bug abuse?). Some people just might just crouch once, maybe stay crouched and get up again for the last shot, so they'll have fired 2 shots in a shorter time. Or they'll crouch and get up again, to move to another place. Anyway, I think that we'll just end up with a lot more confusion, people that don't know about the rule or what exactly it's about, and just a lot more reports over something that only gives you a little bit of an advantage.

Of course if you decide to add it, it must be made scriptwise. There shouldn't be no reports and additional punishments but a message popping up and maybe kick after 6th warning (or even without it) - just like with c-bug and 2-shot. As for 'grey' zone... Once again, if a player receives the warning box, it is his punishment already, he is stuck and he is vulnerable at this moment. If he doesn't receive it, then everything is fine. To avoid situations when an innocent player is 'punished', track it up to 3 shots: shoot - crouch|get up - shoot - get up|crouch - shoot - crouch|get up. I guess it is pretty clear, and there won't be much confusion.

[Nazi]

I don't think it's a good idea to disallow the "minor" c-bug. I think it's very important to deal with bugs in a reasonable and clear way. In the old PTP it wasn't always clear what we considered bugs, one admin would consider something a bug, while another admin wouldn't and it only confused the players. People thought certain bugs were allowed and then were suddenly banned for it (for example, switching to reload). So, we decided to, instead of forbidding all bugs, focus on a couple of bugs (2-shooting, c-bug and slide bug) which we thought were the most well known and gave the most advantage. This prevents a lot of questions and a lot of confusion, people don't have to ask admins anymore if a bug is allowed or not.

Another big part of this is that these bugs are easily preventable with scripts. New people don't even have to read the rules on what's allowed or not, if they try to C-bug or 2-shoot, they'll get automatically warned, so they're immediately aware that they can't use that bug. We no longer have to deal with reports about bug abusing, which also saves us a lot of time. I think with the "minor" C-bug, we'll have a lot of 'grey zone' (at what point is it bug abuse?). Some people just might just crouch once, maybe stay crouched and get up again for the last shot, so they'll have fired 2 shots in a shorter time. Or they'll crouch and get up again, to move to another place. Anyway, I think that we'll just end up with a lot more confusion, people that don't know about the rule or what exactly it's about, and just a lot more reports over something that only gives you a little bit of an advantage.

This was just my personal opinion on it. I'll lock the voting Sunday at midnight (GMT+1), and we'll go with the option that was voted for the most.

Very well said jonne 

[MAR.]

Jonne is right

[Litteratus]

Since c-bug is prohibited, minor c-bug should be removed as well, because basically they are the same. You skip deagle recoil animation to shoot faster. My vote is "yes".

[Ege]

Since c-bug is prohibited, minor c-bug should be removed as well, because basically they are the same. You skip deagle recoil animation to shoot faster. My vote is "yes".

I agree with Litteratus !

[Nazi]

RIP, minor c-bug

[Finisher]

Minor c-bug causes this much drama because some people think it's "overpowered" ? the same people who use driveby combat shotgun all the time, but it's not overpowered when they like it.

What a failure of a suggestion to end with a poll, while combat shotgun is the most overpowered shit you have, can I make a suggestion to remove combat shotgun now?  there's nothing logical in this topic, I kept searching but I couldn't find anything.

Don't disallow the minor cbug. Keep it as it is. Or better yet, lock the suggestions board

[Hito]

Minor c-bug causes this much drama because some people think it's "overpowered" ? the same people who use driveby combat shotgun all the time, but it's not overpowered when they like it.

What a failure of a suggestion to end with a poll, while combat shotgun is the most overpowered shit you have, can I make a suggestion to remove combat shotgun now?

Deagle is op too let's remove it

[Finisher]

Deagle is op too let's remove it

This whole topic/suggestion has been made for the excuse of "deagle is overpowered. not the minor cbug".

[Hito]

Deagle is op too let's remove it

This whole topic/suggestion has been made for the excuse of "deagle is overpowered. not the minor cbug"

I mean remove the whole weapon cuz every player has own suggest

[Ege]

Minor c-bug causes this much drama because some people think it's "overpowered" ? the same people who use driveby combat shotgun all the time, but it's not overpowered when they like it.

What a failure of a suggestion to end with a poll, while combat shotgun is the most overpowered shit you have, can I make a suggestion to remove combat shotgun now?  there's nothing logical in this topic, I kept searching but I couldn't find anything.

Don't disallow the minor cbug. Keep it as it is. Or better yet, lock the suggestions board

Honestly I'm one of those who's up for disallowing the "minor c-bug". But not because it's overpowered, I want it to be disallowed because this works the same way as the exact c-bug which is forbidden and imo this gives advantage only to players who cannot c-bug properly.

I gotta admit, I'm not that good doing this minor c-bug shit.  Whenever I try to do it I mostly do the exact c-bug which leads to a warn/kick. But also I assume that I'm better than majority of the players in c-bugging (no ego xd) and yeah this gives me an advantage over others but I'm not able to use that advantage while players Mia mentioned (high ping/low fps) can do it by minor c-bug.

You might come up saying "then dont use it" but when a player using this bug fights with another who's not using, you can see there's actually a "real advantage", which is the main reason of why most of the bugs are forbidden here.

sorry for the long post tho

[M a k a v e l i .]

I've played most of my time as a civilian in this server and I barely see players using minor C-bug. Almost never.

Besides that, randoms don't even know about it, I really wonder what's so scary about keeping it allowed.
Too much drama going on here, it's gay.


Have in mind, my opinion is completely objective since I'm not affected by any decision you are going to make. In-game I use colts.

[Miau]

I've played most of my time as a civilian in this server and I barely see players using minor C-bug. Almost never.

Besides that, randoms don't even know about it, I really wonder what's so scary about keeping it allowed.
Too much drama going on here, it's gay.


Have in mind, my opinion is completely objective since I'm not affected by any decision you are going to make. In-game I use colts.

Maybe there's a correlation between newbies inability to abuse the minor c-bug, the fact that you don't shoot anyone but newbies and that you have barely faced anyone using the minor c-bug.

[M a k a v e l i .]

I've played most of my time as a civilian in this server and I barely see players using minor C-bug. Almost never.

Besides that, randoms don't even know about it, I really wonder what's so scary about keeping it allowed.
Too much drama going on here, it's gay.


Have in mind, my opinion is completely objective since I'm not affected by any decision you are going to make. In-game I use colts.

Maybe there's a correlation between newbies inability to abuse the minor c-bug, the fact that you don't shoot anyone but newbies and that you have barely faced anyone using the minor c-bug.

Well that's not true, I've fought most of the regulars actually.
Usually they reclass to some other team and come back, so as I said I haven't seen many players using it.

However I'm just sayin' what I think about the whole subject, and quoting me won't change anything since there's nothing to discuss.

[YoMama]

I think with the "minor" C-bug, we'll have a lot of 'grey zone' (at what point is it bug abuse?). Some people just might just crouch once, maybe stay crouched and get up again for the last shot, so they'll have fired 2 shots in a shorter time.

I don't think it's that much of a grey zone- when I see someone doing it, they're clearly using the bug. If they're emptying the clip and using it 5 times in a row, then they're abusing it.