I have carefully read the whole topic... And it actually looks like there is only a shade of the problem. You ask to abstract from your nickname, SoLoD (
Well, looks like some ptpers cant just focus on what i am posting, and just focusing on my name.), but it is impossible due to your manner of holding a discussion, and this makes this topic totally inconstructive. I'll explain why.
You start the topic with blaming Jonne. He explained you how, he thinks, he solved this problem, but in your first post you simply negate it and ask your question again. Your argument is: "
I am playing this gamemod since 2006, even before PTP arrived. (...) I know that gamemod is better without it". Instead of trying to prove your words, you are trying to convince everyone, to make them blindly believe you there is a problem ("
Why don`t you just accept the fact that we have asolutely the same situation we had before"). It looks more like a propaganda and demagougery rather than an actual attempt to delineate and solve anything. In the meantime, when you are directly asked to elaborate your solutions, you remain silent.
As for the "problem" itself. It was an actual problem on Tenshi's PTP, where we had a single armour spawn per each map. When the player count was peaking, it was nearly impossible to get armour for me and Litteratus. Hordes of civilians camping there and throwing the grenades all around or cops and terrorists forces fighting (or peacefully staying together), but forgetting their emnity when me and Litt appeared at the horizon and focusing us, - that was a real problem, completely invisible for the regulars though, including you. Tenshi and Lacerta have made a first, lazy and miserable attempt to solve it by criminalizing armour spawn fights. It looked like a really good solution at first glance, yet we all know what had it lead to: constant abuse, unfair bans for breaking imaginary rules and even more chaos.
In turn, multiple armour spawns were the first thing that utterly distinguished Jonne's server from Tenshi's. At first I was unsure if it helps - due to the reasons you, SoLoD, have stated now! - but when I played the game for a while, I saw with my own eyes that the armour problem was solved by this addition. That's what Jonne was talking about, and that's what was the real problem; what you're trying to point out now is only a 'historical' outcome of that problem.
In the same time, you and YoMama are completely right about the cultural issues. Indeed, PlanB players culture level is very low - but it is way bigger than it was on Tenshi's server. The attitude of the Staff Team, the attention to players' needs and demands, - that's what has mostly increased it. It is still extremely far from perfect, but the progress is seen all around. But those cultural issues cannot be solved with adding new laws. It simply doesn't work this way, it only gives birth to more severe resistance. Haven't Tenshi's and Lacerta's actions proved it clear enough? There is no way to change it without the absolute majority of the players willing it, which is not present here. It's the same as if we started a topic about the eternal trash-talking in the chat. You might have called it an unsolvable problem too - and you would have been right.
I don't find armour spawn fighting a big issue. Yes, it's very common here, but I don't really see actual violation of the gamemode. President is always having hard times (unless he is a regular with his dozen of friends), but the players from the "good" team are also tending to concentrate near him. In the end, like it has already been said, armour fights indirectly impact on the gamemode as well. If you don't want to take part in armour fights, you don't have to do it: all of the armour spawns together are
never occupied by your enemies. That's the biggest difference from the Tenshi's PTP related to armour spawns, and that's why the problem is mainly cosidered to be solved.
Also, I doubt that any changes to the score gaining system would positively impact on "armour spawn fighting culture" and playing the gamemode. Once again it would lead to trying to prove each others who is better and tougher - that's the final goal of any score system. Maybe if stats were completely removed, it would help, but I think it should be discussed out of this topic already.
Summarizing. SoLoD, you claim that the problem exists without giving any actual proofs. When others say that you are wrong, you simply negate it. When you are asked to elaborate your solultion, you don't reply. That's why I think that this topic is totally unconstructive and should be closed and forgotten for good. Instead, if you have any actual ideas or suggestion that would solve anything you consider to be a problem, feel free to start a topic on the Suggestions board. It won't be ignored, it will be discussed like any sane topic. Probably this way you would bring any positive changes, but the topics such as this one only rend the air. Don't act like the Russian politicians.
