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President's Power to Remove Security
« on: September 18, 2017, 05:33:11 am »
Version 1
9/17/2017

UPDATED VERSION
9/18/2017



My suggestion is to give the president the power to:
    - Remove a certain security member    (5 minute cool down period unless current president dies)
(ONLY ALLOWED IF TIMER HAS PASSED 7 MINUTES AND HAS LESS THAN 300 POINTS)

    - Remove all security members            (5 minute cool down period unless current president dies)
(ONLY ALLOWED IF TIMER HAS PASSED 7 MINUTES AND HAS LESS THAN 300 POINTS)

    - Remove 5 minute cool down for a certain security member

    - Remove 5 minute cool down for all security members

    - Security Point System
           ~ Each security member has his own timer. The timer starts after the security member loses his/her first spawn protection. The timer will not reset until there is a new president.(STOPS AT 7 MINUTES AND IS DISPLAYED ON SIDE OF SCREEN) (Text is green if the security member has 300 points or above) (Text is red if security's personal timer has passed 7 minutes and the same security member has less than 300 points)
           ~ Each security member gains 1 point per second AS LONG AS THEIR DISTANCE IS 325 OR CLOSER FROM PRESIDENT (DISTANCE 300 IS MAXIMUM SNIPER RANGE)

    - Add commands                               
                               /fire [ID] 
(COMMAND ONLY WORKS AFTER SECURITY'S PERSONAL TIMER HAS REACHED 7 MINUTES AND SECURITY MEMBER HAS LESS THAN 300 POINTS) (NOT ALLOWED IN NSA MAP)
                               /fireall
(COMMAND ONLY WORKS AFTER SECURITY'S PERSONAL TIMER HAS REACHED 7 MINUTES AND SECURITY MEMBER HAS LESS THAN 300 POINTS) (NOT ALLOWED IN NSA MAP)
                               /rehire [ID]
(COMMAND ONLY WORKS AFTER SECURITY'S PERSONAL TIMER HAS REACHED 7 MINUTES AND SECURITY MEMBER HAS LESS THAN 300 POINTS) (NOT ALLOWED IN NSA MAP)
                               /rehireall
(COMMAND ONLY WORKS AFTER SECURITY'S PERSONAL TIMER HAS REACHED 7 MINUTES AND SECURITY MEMBER HAS LESS THAN 300 POINTS) (NOT ALLOWED IN NSA MAP)
                               /stimer

ALSO: 5 minute cool down will not reset if they try relogging



Commands:

1. If the president feels that: (/fire [ID]
    - a security member has less than 300 points, this individual will be removed.
    (only allowed after security member reaches the 7 minute mark (OWN INDIVIDUAL TIMER))

Message to former security member: The president has chose to remove you from the security team because you have less than 300 security points. Perhaps next time you should obey /duty. You have a 5 minute cool down. You will be allowed to rejoin the security team if the current president dies or if the cool down has finished.
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2. If the president feels that: (/fireall])
    - every security member currently on his team has less than 300 points, they will all be removed.
    (only allowed after security member reaches the 7 minute mark (OWN INDIVIDUAL TIMER))

Message to all former security members: The president has chose to remove everyone who has less than 300 points on the security team. Perhaps next time you should obey /duty. You have a 5 minute cool down. You will be allowed to rejoin the security team if the current president dies or if the cool down is finished.
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3. If the president feels that: (/rehire [ID])
    - he/she wants to remove the 5 minute cool down period from a certain security member that was selected, that security member will be allowed to reclass to security.
    (only allowed after security member has been kicked out)

Message to former security member: You may rejoin the security class. Please type "/rc s" if you wish to be a part of the security team again.
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4. If the president feels that: (/rehireall)
    - he/she wishes to rehire all the security members that were temporarily kicked out of the security team, they will all be allowed to rejoin.
    (only allowed after security member has been kicked out)

Message to all former security members: You may rejoin the security class. Please type "/rc s" if you wish to be a part of the security team again.
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5. This command shows: [/sinfo] (THIS COMMAND IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE)
(Text is green if the security member has 300 points or above) (Text is red if security's personal timer has passed 7 minutes and the same security member has less than 300 points)
    - Security Member's Name
    - Current Distance Away From President (ONLY AVAILABLE FOR ADMINS AND PRESIDENT)
    - Points
    - Timer



If added, this also means:
    - Admins/mods will no longer be responsible for removing security from their class UNLESS they are BLATANTLY camping at armor/terrorist/civilian spawn OR doing absolutely nothing in regards to protecting the president such as stunting.
    - This also means that security is allowed to kill terrorists who are on the way to kill the president (Minimizing the threat to president beforehand). When I say this, I DO NOT MEAN ALL SECURITY can leave the president. There are always those few security members (1-2 members) that can be a great asset and stop terrorists beforehand.



Reasons I chose to make this:
    - Certain security members do not protect the president.
          ~ Current Solution: /report -> Requires admin/mod to oversee this + requires wait time

    - Certain security members undermine the president by trying to get him killed.
          ~ Current solution: /report -> Requires admin/mod to oversee this + requires wait time

    - Certain security members are being punished even though they are indirectly protecting the president.
          ~ Admin's problem: Certain security members are removed from the class because they REQUIRE ALL security members to be with the president at ALL TIMES unless they are given permission to do something else.
          ~ Scenario 1: A group of terrorists with spas inside a sultan are heading towards the president. A couple security members(1-2) attack the group of terrorists before they reach to the president. Security manages to stop the terrorists from reaching the president.
                      President manages to get even farther away from the terrorists because all threats are eliminated. Thank you security. I definitely would not remove my security.
                      ADMIN ACTION: Follow /duty or I will be forced to remove you.

           ~ Scenario 2: All security members are next to the president who is driving. A group of terrorists with spas inside a sultan are heading towards the president. No one stops them until they are extremely close to the president. President's car blows up. The president dies instantly.
                       President dies even though all security members are next to the president.
                       ADMIN ACTION: Good job security. I'm proud of you :). You stayed next to president.

    - No one else is providing solutions. "Let's just hire more mods" How is that working out?

    - It should be the president's choice who gets the privilege to protect the president. If the president thinks his security is doing a good job, leave them be.



Extra comments:

- I'm presuming that a portion of you are going to say, "leave PTP the way it is! I don't like change." Well, do you have a better solution? If you guys don't like change, then why are there suggestions? Everyone just slaps suggestions with "unnecessary or pls no change to PTP server." How do you expect to make this server better than it already is? I will tweak this suggestion if I find someone with a better version of what I'm suggesting. I will make sure to give credit if I change anything based on your guys' comments.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2017, 07:30:25 am by Supreme »

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2017, 08:04:50 am »
Regular players should never have such powers that directly affects others' gameplay as there's a high posibility that it will be abused.

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2017, 08:17:40 am »
Regular players should never have such powers that directly affects others' gameplay as there's a high posibility that it will be abused.

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If it is abused, who will truly suffer from this? The president. If the president wants to run around by himself, let him be. Who's fault is this? The president.

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2017, 08:43:14 am »
No bro totally NO,your suggestion is good but it's not useful here,ppls will abuse and rest will leave ptp and play in another server so it's not good.Leave it as it is
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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2017, 09:02:32 am »
Few securities who aren't following duty is much better than having no securities at all. Atleast you can count on someone to defend you, even if they aren't near you.
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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2017, 09:11:16 am »
No bro totally NO,your suggestion is good but it's not useful here,ppls will abuse and rest will leave ptp and play in another server so it's not good.Leave it as it is

If a president happens to abuse it, they will just end up becoming a terrorist and killing the president. I doubt they would leave. The only one suffering is the president. If he wants to be an idiot, let him be an idiot. A president abusing this feature will be a rare occurrence.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2017, 09:15:38 am by Supreme »

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2017, 09:14:14 am »
Few securities who aren't following duty is much better than having no securities at all. Atleast you can count on someone to defend you, even if they aren't near you.

That is entirely up to the president. If he wants to die, let him die. We are all humans. Once he realizes that he's fucked, do you think he's going to do it again?

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2017, 03:00:25 pm »
As @Ege said,you are giving precious power to president,which may be in 90% abused. It is a nice idea,but sorry. -1

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2017, 03:15:47 pm »
As @Ege said,you are giving precious power to president,which may be in 90% abused. It is a nice idea,but sorry. -1

Same,..

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It will be good for president if he had a command to be unvisible on map for 20-30sec   1 time when he is president
So he can go away from spawn like NSA map  ,because he dies imidently xD , or when are much terorist and 2-3 securitys he dies in spawn or near- again  lol ,....

With this command he would by unvisible and run to his position for this 20-30 sec ,  and not die xD
« Last Edit: September 18, 2017, 06:13:01 pm by Brain_Walker »
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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2017, 03:26:35 pm »
good idea
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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2017, 03:56:26 pm »
Like as many other said already, its gonna be abused.. -1


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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2017, 03:58:56 pm »
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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2017, 06:12:07 pm »
I am having the gut feeling that this somewhere close to the solid solution we need. But I don't know what to tweak this about in the absolute right direction.

Tbh kicking people out won't really be a efficient solution unless it's someone teamblocking or teamkilling.

Arun is right actually.

Roaming around Securities have a higher chance to actually save the Presi indirectly by engaging with Terrorists outside than not being a Security at all.

Those who would get fired would obviously in the need of spite and being a asshole would turn Terrorist or civillian and would attack the presi with Lethal Force.

This idea would be very useful to avoid teamblocking tho. But I must say this ability must be restricted to a limit.

I also suggest the ability to Promote/Hire SWATS(not the POLICE,the other weakass ones) and Civillians as Securities. Again with a Limit to prevent unbalance.

Whether to allow them to keep their weapons or replace them to security weapons can be discussed.

The Restriction System can be discussed.

I'd suggest that:

Presi has X Authority points. Firing a Security initially takes one point,Promoting/Hiring takes 2 points. Can't Promote/Hire without firing if the class is full or proportionate enough.

The usage has a time limit. Only reusable after 2/3 of the time limit is over.

« Last Edit: September 18, 2017, 06:13:59 pm by Lohit_The_Noob »
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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2017, 07:13:18 pm »
-1 President does not need such powers

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2017, 04:24:09 am »
^^^^ALL COMMENTS ABOVE THIS POINT ARE REGARDED TOWARDS OLD VERSION^^^^

It appears many of you have concerns that the president will abuse this feature. I, personally, feel like it does not really matter if the president will abuse it because the president would only be fucking himself. The version you are now seeing is different from the last one.

"I'm going to be a troll and remove all of my security. Haha PWNT! Oh wow, there seem to be a lot of terrorists."
*President dies*
"FUCK! I definitely don't want to die again! Since I am capable of learning from my mistake, I'm not going do it again"


So, who really lost in this situation? The president. The president just fucked himself. Congratulations. You played yourself.

Anyways, I updated my original suggestion. This suggestion GUARANTEES that the president will not abuse this feature. However, this will require more code so.