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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2017, 10:13:50 pm »
-1,please... :o

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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2017, 01:23:47 pm »
-1  8)

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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2017, 02:36:07 pm »
+1 as I'm non-VIP
-1 as I'm VIP

Non VIP will agree
But VIP's won't agree

As we see....



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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2017, 01:14:08 pm »
If everyone is able to change their skin, you won't know who you are sniping from a distance, so that's a bad idea.

If I wasn't a VIP, then I would've liked this idea.

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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2017, 02:53:54 pm »
If everyone is able to change their skin, you won't know who you are sniping from a distance, so that's a bad idea.

If I wasn't a VIP, then I would've liked this idea.
So You say that a VIP has a single skin to play with...
40-50% players are VIP
They Can Change skins whenever they want

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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2017, 12:32:00 pm »
What do you mean?


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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2017, 02:04:19 pm »
Why not just in holidays?


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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2017, 02:07:52 pm »
No

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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2017, 03:12:16 pm »
Fast skins are probably the biggest reason players donate nowadays. Enabling them (or even some of them) for non-VIPs simply wouldn't be fair to those that had already paid to have them. It's a no from me.
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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2017, 04:41:01 pm »
Fast skins are probably the biggest reason players donate nowadays. Enabling them (or even some of them) for non-VIPs simply wouldn't be fair to those that had already paid to have them. It's a no from me.

Exactly, this suggestion would have to be before the VIPs came out, and there it would think.

Now it's too late, if you want unique options and also help the server stand, DONATE

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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2017, 06:45:00 pm »
How about Jonne giving current donators few bucks back and we remove beta skins forever?  :-*

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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2017, 07:35:30 pm »
How about Jonne giving current donators few bucks back and we remove beta skins forever?  :-*
+1.lol


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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2017, 07:39:02 pm »
How about Jonne giving current donators few bucks back and we remove beta skins forever?  :-*


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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2017, 07:41:31 pm »
How about Jonne giving current donators few bucks back and we remove beta skins forever?  :-*


How about Jonne giving current donators few bucks back and we remove beta skins forever?  :-*

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Re: Suggestion.
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2017, 09:11:25 pm »
(If you don't like to read long paras and are unable to process then you can simply skip to the TD;LR and stuff below it since it's more short and objectively focused lel)

I don't get the existence of Fast Skins in combat in the first place.

Like the server doesn't allow C bug(even the minor ones) or Texture glitching but allows Fast Skinning in battles, even though C bugging and Texture Glitching require more skill (Yes memorization takes more effort than just abusing one's movements and C bug is obvious).

Jonne said here:

Quote from: Jonne Topic: VIP forum board Nab!
Change your skin to ''any'' skin you want (/vskin) and keep it so you'll always spawn with that skin (/saveskin and /resetskin)

The server grants the liberty to use 'All Skins' and doesn't exclusively state the advantage of 'Fast Skins' and you won't know it unless you are aware of it by experience 'in-SAMP' or prior knowledge unlike the Chainsaw or Sniper which are super obvious .

Technically based on that the Idea of VIP feature of 'All skins' were based on the aesthetic value not the combat advantage of a few skins which is validated by the fact that VIPS can indeed use all skins till now.

From a server point of view it doesn't specify the protection of 'Fast Skins' but just grants 'All Skins' over which no protection of exclusivity can be demanded because in which case everyone would have to pay 20 Euros to play on the server to begin with. Hence the argument of 'I BROUGHT VIP FOR THIS!" is rendered moot and one should not care about those people as in the long run if the concept is encouraged it would ruin the server.

The main fundamental problem is because /donate has become more of a /buy thing. Administrative members fear the inflow of money will be affected (hence the lifetime of the server) if they remove the fast skins and dissatisfy the VIP members who have more money at hand to use than the non VIP regulars.

Which in either way atleast subtly hints at a need of money somehow to keep the server alive. In which case edit the payment feature to gain a more steady inflow of money if required instead.


TL;DR:

>Various more skill-effort based bugs like C bugging to maintain 'Fair Play in combats' but not Fast Skinning? Hypocritical and simply displays a negative image.

Not to mention it's hilariously ironical since the 'Dev didn't intend it this way' is commonly used for C-bug but not for skins which aren't meant to be played in the first place and for that didn't even include those skins for the PS2 multiplayer.


>I brought VIP for this argument can't halt this thread here because:



From a server point of view it doesn't specify the protection of 'Fast Skins' but just grants 'All Skins' over which no protection of exclusivity can be demanded because in which case everyone would have to pay 20 Euros to play on the server to begin with. Hence the server 'can' include fast skins for Non VIPs to maintain fairplay.


^Hence,Sebastian's suggestion is actually applicable and can be done without any misconduct in trade so as to say.


My suggestions to the topic:

Obviously Fast Skinning is mostly a stat motivated one.

The following can be done.

-O Change the Stats system like the one Makaveli suggested(can't find it somehow so can't link it,if somebody knows, link it pliz) and just disable stats for Civillians and Fast Skins for gamemode classes.

(90% problem solved, 10% due to lack of completion due to complaining)

-O This suggestion and it will be more effective: Why? Because think in the long run. If we enable fast skins now for all classes. The more the awareness about fast skins will grow which will lead to more people using it. Then there will be essentially Fast Skin vs Fast Skin Bullshit which in the end would end up disabling fast skins as a whole. Yes this seems a bit..ambitious in nature but judging on the mindset of people here,it might work.

-O Alternative Suggestion that I dunno works or not since I am not a SAMP scripter.

Edit 'Ped.Ifp' files server sided and manually set their rotational values to 'normal' FOR ALL SKINS. In which case the idea behind the aesthetic advantage remains intact without any combat advantage.

How about Jonne giving current donators few bucks back and we remove beta skins forever?  :-*

*Different Ped.Ifp value models. Pliz.+1 if possible.

Tbh I was thinking of suggesting this too but I am not fully aware of PayPal Policies so I didn't speak on it. I wonder if it would help if PlanB got some sponsers. ::)




 


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