Remove "Civilian" team.

[YoMama]

You choose the civilian team because it's too inconvenient to drive to the airport as a terrorist? I mean, sure, I guess it is pretty annoying. That's not a really good justification as to why you shouldn't choose one side.

If I'm doing the same thing that I would if I were a terrorist, what's the difference? The penalty I pay is that I have shitty weapons when I jump out.

I never said civilians are weak. I'm not sure if you're accusing me of saying that or just making a general statement, though.

I never said that you said it. I was making a general statement.

Also, "not giving a shit who they kill." That's the problem I have. If this is the case, why not let the security kill each other? Terrorist kill each other? I mean, we CLEARLY don't care about the lack of direction this class has. X vs Y vs Z isn't a good way to go about things.

The problem, in my opinion, is that civilians were never a very attractive class to be in until they suddenly became much more powerful post-lagcomp. Now it's actually viable to become a civilian to build stats that shouldn't even be tracked.

Increasing the number of terrorist allowed is basically expecting people to do the right thing. We can't expect people to do the right thing on SAMP.

Yep, but what do you propose, then? Setting a limit on the number of civilians? (I actually wouldn't be too opposed to this.)

Didn't read, but removing civil class, really?
No.

thanks for meticulously deconstructing my argument with reasonable logic.

Nice.

[Shark_The_Helicopter]

It's an absolutely useless team that ruins the flow of the gameplay. Choose a side. It serves no purpose besides letting edgy people do whatever the hell they want in an objective based game.

Do you want to protect the President? Cool. Choose security/police/swat.

Want to kill the President? Alright. Choose terrorist.

Then what to do when you have to practice stuff without ignoring your duty? Choose Civillian. They have none.

The civi team absolutely ruins this balance. It's like cops vs robbers vs random people. It sucks when you're having a good, close, and interesting game and a civi in a hydra comes out of no where and absolutely decimates everyone. It's not fun. (Not to mention that, usually, civilian players are ridiculously good at the game.)

Civilians can't fly hydras,Tf? The only thing they can use is Rustler and it can be shot down with 3-4 M4s from below if they are competent enough.

Tbh most civilians can't do jack shit unless they teamup or have their sniper (which I fucking hate when they use it in a deagle battle)

If we can't remove the civi team, at least remove their ability to kill people. Come on, guys. Choose a side. Stop being cocks. Isn't civilian suppose to be "neutral"? Killing everyone you see is not being "neutral." When you kill someone, you're helping the team opposite to that person you killed. It's not "neutral," it's being a troll.

You do realize one of the infamous things people commonly do in this server is kill Civillians for their stats or to even up their - points in frustration right?

The one alternative I am totally in for is removing Stats gained as a civilian. Would make people divert more attention towards gamemode and yet not make them rage when they are chilling around.

concerns i KNOW people will have:

C: But I can play the game however I want!
A: Not when it affects other people.

and hence the civilians have been weakened for that purpose so the 'effect' at hand has a less chance of a significant impact on the normal gameplay. Although I hate snipers civilians. Camp at one proper place and ez mode activate.

C: get gud lol
A: me sucking at the game doesn't mean that the civilian team is broken as hell. civi team is only there for the special people who can't settle for being on one side of the spectrum.

You are only looking it from one single perspective there is more to the civilian class(lol at the team) than being a snowflake statswhore who can't afford to be on a single side. 

C: you're just mad a civilian killed you lol
A: although it is true that i constantly get destroyed by civilians, the team is still BS. i don't mind getting killed by a terrorist when im security, and vice versa. it's annoying when a lone wolf with no real objective kills me. it's like playing basketball and all of a sudden a random 3rd team comes in with no real goal but to disrupt the game.

Remove /stats and /sniper for civilians most of em will stop.

C: that would require complicated scripting.
A: no, it really doesn't.

Who said that? Probably no.

C: it doesn't ruin the flow of the game.
A: yes, it really does.

What's up with this single sentenced responses with no substance?
It does but not that much of extent.

C: Why punish people for just playing the game?
A: removing the civi team isn't punitive. it's necessary.

The Argument is retarded in itself as one is not playing the gamemode class to begin with unless one is genuinely trying to play a side but as a Civ just for the challenge .

[IDAN]

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[Deadman]

Simple tip when you use civil class

Defend yourself from everyone who try to come closer to you..In this way you will be able to get the concept of having a speciality of civil class..try it

[GlennN]

Woah.. I think you need to play on the server more and make friends, to get the purpose of this class.

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[Shawkhawk did nothing wrong!]

It's hard to get easy kills on civilians. No one does this. All civilians have chainsaws, snipers, etc. which makes it absolutely insufferable to play the game.

Those  civilians with chainsaws and snipers are VIPs, not all civilians are VIP. Half of VIPs are statswhores.

And removing snipers and stats for civil class? Then why are they even allowed to kill, remove their weapons and make them god,

EDIT-
 i play as civilian most of the time, are I hope you guys know that I do not care about stats but removing stats for that class is wrong, I mostly don't attack other players n I try to stay away from everyone so I don't interfere with anyone's gameplay but whenever there's a guy who tries to shoot me, I try to kill him, and I want that added in my stats, it doesn't matter if I get him or he gets me.
   Making stats disabled for civilians/ no stats for killing civilians is ridiculous, people will use civilian class like they use Undercover names

[Uzumaki]

Worst Suggestion till now in the PTP forum.....

[Shark_The_Helicopter]

And removing snipers and stats for civil class? Then why are they even allowed to kill, remove their weapons and make them god,

Sniper purely due to it is being used as a statswhoring weapon and spiting purpose.

Stats oriented with game mode.

[Ege]

No fucking way...

First of all, if civilian class being "useless for gamemode" is your only reasonable argument then you have to remove literally many of server features such as races, duels or events hosted by admins. Of course the name of this server/gamemode is Protect the President but those are some features (or minigames) players have been attending to have fun for years. Besides that it's a great class for people to chill and have fun together.
Either way civilians contribute the gamemode by protecting or killing the president, the decision is up to them. Yes, they can change sides quickly and "backstab" others which means they can kill anyone they want but as a counter for that they have a weaker weapon set (1- Sniper and Saw aren't Civilian weapons, they are VIP features. 2- Deagle & Shotgun might not be weak weapons but they are too disadvantaged against running weapons unless there's a certain level of difference between players in terms of skills) and they have some restrictions such as not being able to use hydra, which makes your story incorrect.

I wouldn't ever imagine that this would be discussed... lol

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[Maddy]

What the fuck ? Removing Civilian means R.I.P [RD] clan. Moreover, it's not a class so far. Being a civilian you are free to do anything except breaking the /rules. I wonder that what was the reason that came in your mind to remove Civilian.
A Big NO!

[Barbarianking]

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[Skipper]

What's wrong with the people now? I don't stop reading stupid suggestions every day, do you really think before posting it?

Civilians are the "freedom" of gamemode

You don't even know what weapons they have. So please, focus more on the gamemode and enjoy.

[Darwin]

what!!!!!!!!!!?? whats this

[CapriciousRobber]

Then what to do when you have to practice stuff without ignoring your duty? Choose Civillian. They have none.

There doesn't need to a be class with people roaming around killing whoever they want.

Civilians can't fly hydras,Tf? The only thing they can use is Rustler and it can be shot down with 3-4 M4s from below if they are competent enough.

Yeah, I don't know where I got the civilian hydra thing from.

Tbh most civilians can't do jack shit unless they teamup or have their sniper (which I fucking hate when they use it in a deagle battle)

Civilians are capable of a lot, even without VIP weapons.

You do realize one of the infamous things people commonly do in this server is kill Civillians for their stats or to even up their - points in frustration right?

A problem that wouldn't happen if the civilians were not a team in the first place.

and hence the civilians have been weakened for that purpose so the 'effect' at hand has a less chance of a significant impact on the normal gameplay. Although I hate snipers civilians. Camp at one proper place and ez mode activate.

Them being "weak" isn't the problem. Them having such an indifferent position in the game with an extremely high impact on the match it the problem.

You are only looking it from one single perspective there is more to the civilian class(lol at the team) than being a snowflake statswhore who can't afford to be on a single side.

 

What other purpose is there? To race? Fine. Duel? Cool. But you shouldn't be a lone wolf in a two-sided game.

What's up with this single sentenced responses with no substance?
It does but not that much of extent.

Well, I mean... Why would I use more words when I can just explain my point succinctly? I already touched on that topic in my OP. I'd just be belaboring the point.

The Argument is retarded in itself as one is not playing the gamemode class to begin with unless one is genuinely trying to play a side but as a Civ just for the challenge.

Running around with a chainsaw and a sniper being able to kill whoever you want isn't really a challenge.

Well remove security class too i think securities are bad just "cops vs terrorists" will be fine ...
..wait no no remove cops because security class are the ones supposed to support the president make it "terrorist vs security" ...
Maybe better Remove all the classes and let just civilians class vs the president .
Hmm hard to choose rlly .
I think we need a new forum rule :
" Do not suggest stuped suggestions "

This was a really poor attempt to mock my original argument. Your post is just a gigantic strawman.

If I'm doing the same thing that I would if I were a terrorist, what's the difference? The penalty I pay is that I have shitty weapons when I jump out.

The deagle and the shotgun aren't really bad weapons. The weapons they have isn't the problem that I have, though. It's their presumed "neutrality" that is an issue.

The problem, in my opinion, is that civilians were never a very attractive class to be in until they suddenly became much more powerful post-lagcomp. Now it's actually viable to become a civilian to build stats that shouldn't even be tracked.

People like it because it's a "do whatever the hell you want, fuck /duty" class. The game is very adamant on the players following their /duty. When there is none, you can be a nuisance without any ramifications. I mean, hey, If I had a few dollars around here, I would definitely buy VIP to play civilian. It would make the game much more easier for me.

Yep, but what do you propose, then? Setting a limit on the number of civilians? (I actually wouldn't be too opposed to this.)

Then wouldn't all the classes have limits, then? What happens when all the classes are full? People can't play? I think, personally, there should be a true "neutral" class. You can't kill anyone, but no one can kill you. Therefore, whoever wants to is free to race/duel can do it in peace, without disturbing the main game.

Nice.

thanks

What's wrong with the people now? I don't stop reading stupid suggestions every day, do you really think before posting it?

Civilians are the "freedom" of gamemode

You don't even know what weapons they have. So please, focus more on the gamemode and enjoy.

What do you think I go play PTP for? I go to enjoy it because it's a really good idea AND it's actually fun. You don't really find that on SAMP anymore.

It's hard for me to enjoy it though when a good, close game is being ruined by someone flying in on a rustler, camping in a spot and easily killing the terrorist, security, etc.

You guys keep calling it "freedom" and things alike. Sure, it's freedom. Freedom to be obnoxious and ruin the game. Of course it's fun for the civilian to kill whoever they please, while everyone else does not have the luxury of killing. Might as well turn PTP into an FFA game that requires the President to defend himself.

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what's with you people caustically commenting "-1" without any explanation as to why you gave a "-1." is there some type of system that requires you to be snarky? can i just go to other post and comment "-1"? 

Worst Suggestion till now in the PTP forum.....

thank you, random user with a picture of minecraft avatars dabbing with the caption "make the dab." i really value your opinion.

Woah.. I think you need to play on the server more and make friends, to get the purpose of this class.

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no, no, i get the purpose of the class. running around and killing whoever you want in an attempt to ruin the game for everyone else?

[Uthar_Smith]

Democracy!
Thanks for taking the time to post a suggestion though.

PS: @CapriciousRobber, please refrain from double posting in the future. If you want to reply to several people, put everything together in 1 post.