Plan B
General => Suggestions => Closed => Topic started by: Aksel on May 09, 2017, 10:29:01 pm
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before i start i dont want anyone to say that i'm crying or something like that but there're two annoying points
1st One is a samp bug: Since 2015 due to a topic made by Rev it became clear that abusing bugs in server aint allowed anymore! but there's a bug that everyone here(including me) still abusing ! basically when you are in a fight with low HP you can just go close to a car and press F then samp sync will send to other client that you are getting in car and because samp sync system aint perfect you wont be able to hit damage him but from otherside other person aint entrying car but he's shooting you,you wont realise that till samp send to ur client that you got hits! and especially if your opponent is a high pinger you wont realise it till you're ingame caractère is dead! and unfortunately there's noway or possible script to counter that bug!
if you dont think its a bug? google this "fake car entry" w/o typing samp,and you'll see some people's reports there're videos too!
2nd point was mentioned by khan few days ago herehttp://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=1464.15 (http://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=1464.15) are Cheating regulars! seriously some regulars are blatantly cheating and almost everyone in community knows about it .well its a sad fact...
we cant blame admins more than players,because if i know someone is cheating but he is fighting in my side thats good for me why should i report him?,either ways incase cheating person got banned i'mnot be punished,from otherside admins dont get paid for keeping server clean,i understaned that admins too sometimes come ingame and have some fun and specting a player would take too much time,but scripts are making life easier they've AC logs to see players's accuracy(i know that some players are inconsistent i'm one of them but that aint an excuse having a +-20% accuracy aint like +-50%),they've spy CMD,they get videos abouting cheating people but unfortunately only few admins such Fimpen take tough decisions!
i see it like this Since innocent people are being destroyed by cheaters and they realise that there's noone to take an action against Cheaters or defend their rights! innocent ppl themselves start cheating well in their opinion this would make game abit compétitive for them! and its going like this and taking us no an endless loop...
and what if a miracle happend and someone got banned for cheating? answer is he'll comeback to play in 30days!
in a attempt to find a solution for thisissue,my idea is when a regular get banned for cheating.
-if he is level 2 he should get temp ban + Demote him back to level 1 because being a VIP doesnt make anysense whatsoever you can call them very imporant Cheating persons and i think this would be good for server,more money for our lovely community so Jonne can pay Server and *Hotservers list* costs,its like real life if you do something bad and you hurt community you've to pay a fine!
-if he is level1/0 he should get a longer ban period!
to end this i know i'm noone to set rules or complain but as player i m extremly jealous and want our server to be better and everyone have a better ingame experince ,these are just some humble ideas
Discussions Major points========================================
-Longer period ban for cheaters/incase banned player is a VIP he should be demoted back to lvl1
-Disallow car fake entry bug
-add a possibilty to perm banned player to pay money (50$ for example) to get an unban with Limit(once or twice per life)
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Well the fake car entry is really annoying especially with chainsaw >_<
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Well the fake car entry is really annoying especially with chainsaw >_<
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You are 100% right Aksel, the way how cheaters play is so annoying. In the previous server, one thing was good that a cheater would never get a chance to get unbanned but here they play after 30 days, it's like nothing happened. For sure, they won't delete their hacks(only few did). I am not the one to ser rules as Aksel said but as a suggestion I would say 3-6 months ban period will be fine. Once a played is banned for cheating he must be demoted to level 1.
Regarding fake entry, I don't think their is any script for it to be fixed and this bug is abused a lot of times and will be still abused. I've witnessed this abuse a lot of times(not to mention names).
I would aay just get ptp back to lag shoot.
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Aksel i love you.
I always say that hackers need to get a big ban not 2-3 weeks.
I think its need to be like that.
Regular player-any hacks-3-5 months ban.
VIP-any hacks-6 months ban+remove him the VIP and make him level 1 .
No way that people uses hacks and get 2 weeks ban admin need to change it!!!
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Well, this sounds pretty logical. But we have got already system for hackers & banned players about bans and punishment time periods.
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Well, this sounds pretty logical. But we have got already system for hackers & banned players about bans and punishment time periods.
those rules are made by normal people they didnot come from a holybook thats why we cant say they are perfect,actually there's noway to make them perfect but like in every community people always adapt rules to current situation!!
Just think about howmuch time admins spend Specting and tracking players instead they could be enjoying their gameplay or tracking a random unregistred hacker,think about how much damage they've done to our community.
and what about demoting regular hackers? thats would be a perfect thing for community and i'm sure everyone here is supporting this idea,they'll have to pay again for a VIP and that would benifit us.after all what would make a Cheater a very important person in community?
In the previous server, one thing was good that a cheater would never get a chance to get unbanned but here they play after 30 days, it's like nothing happened.
i'd like to see perm banned players paying money to get an unban that would help server to stay alive,actually thats concept behind my idea to demote cheaters i'm damn sure they'd buy another VIP
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What? Pay money to get unban.
Are u serious?? Its not a business company to earn profits here.VIP is different set.Its just a game.
Cheaters doesn't means that they won't change after their unban.Some may not change.1 chance is given to everyone to improve them self's.This doesn't means you will pay money to get unban.Everyone is not rich.What if anticheats bans you? Will you pay money for it Aksel?
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Ur right aksel and i like ths tht when we know someone is cheating and we tell an admin we WANT tht admin to test or duel tht guy and believe our words not just say (Do /report id reason)
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What? Pay money to get unban.
Are u serious?? Its not a business company to earn profits here.VIP is different set.Its just a game.
Cheaters doesn't means that they won't change after their unban.Some may not change.1 chance is given to everyone to improve them self's.This doesn't means you will pay money to get unban.Everyone is not rich.What if anticheats bans you? Will you pay money for it Aksel?
I didnot forget that point just somehiw i forgot to mention it when i was typing ! When i said perm banned player should be able to pay to get unbanned i forgot to set a limit idk you can use this offer only once or twice.
I didnot say this server is a business company but you've to take care of longterm economic aspect and small details, this is a harder punishment for cheaters and community will have funds to improve (we might get enough money to ask someone to script a good anticheat for us)
And if they paid money to get an unban and they were cheating.just ban them again,its so simple no need to make things too complicated.
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good shit Aksel, +1
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What? Pay money to get unban.
Are u serious?? Its not a business company to earn profits here.VIP is different set.Its just a game.
Cheaters doesn't means that they won't change after their unban.Some may not change.1 chance is given to everyone to improve them self's.This doesn't means you will pay money to get unban.Everyone is not rich.What if anticheats bans you? Will you pay money for it Aksel?
Antixheat bans you means that you have cheated which means that you must get a long term ban but if it's a bug, Jonne will unabn the person.
Aksel, I think that for the first ban, the person must get at least 3-5 months ban, if the person is caught again he will be permanently banned. This case happened once before and it was Sisifo who got banned twice for using aimbot. I am not sure about paying to get unbanned, it sounds unfair.. but I don't mind. But they for the first ban they must get at least 3 month. I don't like to interfere in case of donating.. i just wan tto say that when a person is banned for cheating, at least 3 months ban and VIP removal.
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3 months is little punish..
Its should be 5-6 months big punish + remove vip
2nd ban its will be perm ban.
The admins work hard to find the hackers...but they unban them very quickly.
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Well I believe that aimbotters for the 1st time getting 3 weeks ban is very little punishment. Also it goes same for other hacks too. Atleast there has to be 3 months for me. I'm open for all changes, let's make it alive guys!
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-if he is level1/0 he should get a longer ban period!
As long as i am might be the only one representative of this category, here is my opinion below
(http://i.imgur.com/bJY4ikw.jpg)
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2weeks its just a normal period for first time ban. Second and third,make it more. If he still breaking the rules,perma. Thats my opinion.
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A cheater knows that he will get unban in few days If he get caught cheating , and this thought won't bother him to stop cheating. Once he will get unbanned he will again playing the same way i.e; cheating. But when a regular player gets unban no one even talks about how long it took to collect best evidences to prove he was cheating , sometimes it took weeks to collect best evidences. After proven guilty the cheater will get unban in few days and that annoys the most. Some players do their best to caught a cheater , they do this silently and when they see a cheater got unban very easily without getting any strict punishment all of his/her work went in vain.
I want to see some strict actions against cheaters through which we can set examples to other cheaters to not use cheating in server. Old PTP had better way to deal with cheaters , ofcourse No offense to the New PTP.
If a random newbie caught cheating and appeal to get unban there's logic to give him second chance but a regular and vip player caught cheating then he deserves a strict punishment.
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Nice suggestions aksel!
VIP status should be taken away from the players those who are banned for any kind of hacking immediately. They buy vip again after getting unbanned
The first ban should be of minimum 3 months.
We find so many regular players are getting banned for using hacks, strict actions should be taken in order to teach them a lesson and set an example for other players or it willbe too late
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Admins can decide and come up with the exact duration of ban but i think everyone getting banned for using hacks the first time should be banned for at least 2-3 months. And if it is a vip player the vip status should be taken away. I think this idea is fair enough +1
About the fakeentry thing, i am neutral with it. It is annoying sometimes but uk we all use it.
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I'totally agree. +1
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100% +1
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In old PTP, we had no system about equal punishment system. But now, we have some system to be fair for everyone about punishments.
We have system, we can modify it for sure! Why not? Because not a few people saying the same thing, there is many people agreed on this point to modify rules. What I mean is already said:
But they for the first ban they must get at least 3 month. I don't like to interfere in case of donating.. i just wan tto say that when a person is banned for cheating, at least 3 months ban and VIP removal.
If a random newbie caught cheating and appeal to get unban there's logic to give him second chance but a regular and vip player caught cheating then he deserves a strict punishment.
VIP status should be taken away from the players those who are banned for any kind of hacking immediately. They buy vip again after getting unbanned
The first ban should be of minimum 3 months.
but i think everyone getting banned for using hacks the first time should be banned for at least 2-3 months. And if it is a vip player the vip status should be taken away.
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Just coz we are discussing about ban/punishments here, I'd like to add something. I know it is none of my business how admins handle ban appeals but I surely hate it when people keep up with their silly stories/excuses/lies ( like relative/pets playing on their system) and still get unbanned thinking that admins believed their story.
http://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=1408.0
my relative is playing game and he used an anti cheat hack . when he was playing game i am not at home .please dont ban me
http://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=1369.0
my keyboard sometimes get jammed so i bash it to get it working but when i bashed it it gave me weapons by the weapon mod i downlaod for another server.
And what sucks more is that no one points it out. Such lies/stories should be discouraged and the punishment should be longer for such peeps. Kthnxbye
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I've been really lazy to post here lately but I finally decided to write my opinions after reading others' posts. To be honest, I sometimes miss Tenshi's strictness about cheaters in some occasions. There are usually some trolls who comes and cheats around without looking which server they are in, but some of them realizes (mostly after getting banned) that this place is actually very cool and they decide to stay here so they come with an unban application. It's actually pretty nice to give them a second chance as long as they stop cheating which we can easily notice If they do. But when a player who has been around long enough to know the rules and not to cheat uses cheats and gets caught, I think there should be a heavier punishment. I'm not insisting on banning those permanently (I wouldn't say 'why' if that'd happen though) but at least it should be more than uhm... 15 days (http://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=1484.0)?
Those were just my opinions, my suggestion towards that is, if a player who has enough playing time to be aware of the rules/consequences of rulebreaking (30 hours let's say?) gets banned for using cheats/hacks he/she should stay banned at least few months and they shouldn't have more than a second chance. Because the current "remove your cheats and we'll unban you in 2 weeks" stuff isn't so deterrent in my honest opinion. At least when the respective person plays here a long time to learn the rules as I mentioned more than once above.
PS: I don't have any bad feelings towards the person whose ban appeal I posted here. I posted it since that appeal is the most current one and it shows literally what I'm trying to say.
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I totally Agree with Ege ! Like he said 15 days punishment for a player who is vip on the server and knows all the rules is not enough! He is having atleast 5000 kills on the server , what if he was using it from a long time and got caught now ? I think atleast 6 months ban must be there for regular players + there vip must be taken away!
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Well that punishment system is not fair indeed. I spoke to Jonne about it and he told me that they will discuss it with level 5 admins. Okey, we can wait.
But that 15 days ban (http://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=1484.0) for a player who played as a registered player in server for 261 hours, 19 minutes, 30 seconds since 2017-02-08, then that's really unfair and we admins just letting him play again after 2 weeks ban with his aimbot gains like as 4887 kills with 2,79 ratio...
As an admin, I feel very uncomfortable about this situation.. I hope we will get a fair system about regular player's cheating punishments..
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We support cobra! Vive la ptp.
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I have nothing to say against ptp staff members, but thats unfair for sure. But atleast remove his vip status and let him pay again for vip in order to teach him and others a lesson.
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Well that punishment system is not fair indeed. I spoke to Jonne about it and he told me that they will discuss it with level 5 admins. Okey, we can wait.
But that 15 days ban (http://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=1484.0) for a player who played as a registered player in server for 261 hours, 19 minutes, 30 seconds since 2017-02-08, then that's really unfair and we admins just letting him play again after 2 weeks ban with his aimbot gains like as 4887 kills with 2,79 ratio...
As an admin, I feel very uncomfortable about this situation.. I hope we will get a fair system about regular player's cheating punishments..
What ? 15 days ban only ? That's of course not fair, I thought he will get at least 1 month like other hackers did.
At least his vip must be removed and 3 months ban because since the day he started playing, he was using that hacks.
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Well that punishment system is not fair indeed. I spoke to Jonne about it and he told me that they will discuss it with level 5 admins. Okey, we can wait.
But that 15 days ban (http://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=1484.0) for a player who played as a registered player in server for 261 hours, 19 minutes, 30 seconds since 2017-02-08, then that's really unfair and we admins just letting him play again after 2 weeks ban with his aimbot gains like as 4887 kills with 2,79 ratio...
As an admin, I feel very uncomfortable about this situation.. I hope we will get a fair system about regular player's cheating punishments..
OMG I cant believe it...
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But that 15 days ban (http://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=1484.0) for a player who played as a registered player in server for 261 hours, 19 minutes, 30 seconds since 2017-02-08, then that's really unfair and we admins just letting him play again after 2 weeks ban with his aimbot gains like as 4887 kills with 2,79 ratio...
He never mentioned in his appeal that he is sorry for it. He's being so cool about it. If that ratio is made cheating, then that ratio should also be reset.
Its time for some changes.
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He never mentioned in his appeal that he is sorry for it. He's being so cool about it.
Exactly this is what I figured out in his appeal and something I mentioned in my post.
A cheater knows that he will get unban in few days If he get caught cheating , and this thought won't bother him to stop cheating. Once he will get unbanned he will again playing the same way i.e; cheating.
Cheat -> get ban -> get unban -> repeat.
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Aksel good job..... Hackers should not get second chance.... Else stop banning ppl for hacks
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Aksel good job..... Hackers should not get second chance.... Else stop banning ppl for hacks
no chance
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100% worthy.. +1
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The punishment for cheating( which is not allowed in any game) should be more severe. Whether it is a new player or old(Registered or VIP), the punishment for cheating should be, like Aksel mentioned, longer. The reason to that is simple: cheating is not allowed in any game. Everyone knows that. Also--a longer ban would motivate people not to use hacks. +1
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We understand your frustration, these were the punishments we agreed to with admins, in an effort to streamline everything a bit more and to make sure people getting banned for the same offence got the same punishments (for example, if 2 people get banned for death evasion, make sure that one person doesn't get 3 weeks ban while the other person gets only 2 days ban). But I agree that the bans for the worst offences (Aimbots etc) feel a bit short now, especially considering the time we've put into it. On the other hand, if it's the first offence, I do feel they should get a second chance though (just one, there won't be any after that). It also wouldn't be fair to give Kaleth another punishment than Devil, who just got banned for the same thing (They both have 3 weeks ban, Kaleth was banned on 5 May). But as I already stated, we will review our current policies and adapt them based on the input we got here.
Secondly, we won't be removing any VIPs. In PTP, this proved to be a mess. We've had some people that lost their VIP when they got unbanned, but then other people didn't lose it for the same offence, it just mainly depended on Tenshi. We won't be doing that here, the only way you'll lose your VIP is by losing access to your account (being permbanned). Another reason for this is that in PTP we had some trouble with removing VIPs, for example people trying to get their VIP refunded through Paypal after it got taken away (after this incident I think we stopped removing VIPs altogether), so I'd like to avoid disputes with Paypal as well. Also, we won't accept money in return for an unban. If you're permbanned, then that's it. It's not because you have more money than someone else that you should get another chance. Right now, the VIP purchases are enough to cover the costs of the server, so it's not necessary to implement anything like this to generate more money. If it proves not to be sufficient anymore, we'll look for other options to make more money, but it will never be something like this.
And about what they say in their ban appeal, for example if they make up a story or aren't sorry for what they've done, we could have a ban appeal of 3 pages discussing about their story and getting the truth out of them, but we prefer to just give them their punishment based on the facts we have and what rules they broke, and not based on what they say in their unban appeal. Whether it was their friend or a family member or themselves, they are responsible for their account and connection, so they'll get punished. Whether you are sorry or not, you'll still be banned.
About the second suggestion (fake entry), I don't think it should be disallowed. We've been playing with that bug for a long time now, and I don't think there's any need to make the game more restrictive.
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As Jonne said,i remember when Tenshi took some kid a VIP,and his dad got mad and he contacted Tenshi lol. He got refunded. That aint good buisness.
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We understand your frustration, these were the punishments we agreed to with admins, in an effort to streamline everything a bit more and to make sure people getting banned for the same offence got the same punishments (for example, if 2 people get banned for death evasion, make sure that one person doesn't get 3 weeks ban while the other person gets only 2 days ban). But I agree that the bans for the worst offences (Aimbots etc) feel a bit short now, especially considering the time we've put into it. On the other hand, if it's the first offence, I do feel they should get a second chance though (just one, there won't be any after that). It also wouldn't be fair to give Kaleth another punishment than Devil, who just got banned for the same thing (They both have 3 weeks ban, Kaleth was banned on 5 May). But as I already stated, we will review our current policies and adapt them based on the input we got here.
Secondly, we won't be removing any VIPs. In PTP, this proved to be a mess. We've had some people that lost their VIP when they got unbanned, but then other people didn't lose it for the same offence, it just mainly depended on Tenshi. We won't be doing that here, the only way you'll lose your VIP is by losing access to your account (being permbanned). Another reason for this is that in PTP we had some trouble with removing VIPs, for example people trying to get their VIP refunded through Paypal after it got taken away (after this incident I think we stopped removing VIPs altogether), so I'd like to avoid disputes with Paypal as well. Also, we won't accept money in return for an unban. If you're permbanned, then that's it. It's not because you have more money than someone else that you should get another chance. Right now, the VIP purchases are enough to cover the costs of the server, so it's not necessary to implement anything like this to generate more money. If it proves not to be sufficient anymore, we'll look for other options to make more money, but it will never be something like this.
And about what they say in their ban appeal, for example if they make up a story or aren't sorry for what they've done, we could have a ban appeal of 3 pages discussing about their story and getting the truth out of them, but we prefer to just give them their punishment based on the facts we have and what rules they broke, and not based on what they say in their unban appeal. Whether it was their friend or a family member or themselves, they are responsible for their account and connection, so they'll get punished. Whether you are sorry or not, you'll still be banned.
About the second suggestion (fake entry), I don't think it should be disallowed. We've been playing with that bug for a long time now, and I don't think there's any need to make the game more restrictive.
Jonne, I agree with most of your points here and about the VIP removal. Ok, let's just forget about the CIP removal and focus mainly on the ban dates. Aimbot is one of the worst hacks and the person used it in skin hit is so pathetic. We are wasting our time in collecting some evidences and recording the specific player, no matter if it takes days, weeks, months etc.. and we expect something more than 15 days ban in return for what we did.
I am mot talking about not giving the hacker a chance, I am taking about a longer ban period for those offensive hacks such as Aimbot, health hacks etc..
jonne, my suggestion is just to increase the ban period for hackers who got bannes for Aimbot, no recoil, Health hacks etc.. let it be at least 3 months.
It's simple for them, they will use hacks because they know that they will get unbanned within 15 days or a month, it's just a short break for them.
So simply for the sake of balancing, 3 months ban would be good.
Every admin has his own opinion regarding the unban appeal, Carg provided Devil 15 days ban but that doesn't mean other admins should do the same. And I remember that a hacker named AleXanDer[KTP]
got a permenant ban for aimbot as well as JeanCarlos too.
Apart from Aimbot, Black got a 30 days ban for using Damage Mods unknowingly, then aimbot is worse than damage mods why this ?
I am sorry Jonne but it's so annoying when you see your hard work goes for nothing.
Thank you.
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Jonne,Maybe Remove the vip its not good option as you said,but 2 -3 weeks ban for aimbot ? For player who VIP Know the rules.play so much time in the server?
For me,Player who sue hacks NVM which hack ! Should get 4-5 months ban!
Hard punish make they "Cry" and undersatnd-No hacks in Plan B.
And no,Its not long time(4-5 months)
to be honest? all the players that play in this server know that hacks not allow here...i dont think there are servers on samp that allow hacks...Am i wrong?
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15 days ban for aimbot ?too much Unfair.I got banned earlier for health hack and admin Carg said in my 2nd appeal that hackers get 1 month ban, tho I had more than 2months for evading.
Kaleth shall also bear 1 month ban..He is also a human being..Nothing differs just his activity and VIP in server.He did many kills with his aimbot as Cobra said above^.Hack is hack..!!
Coming back to the topic, Everyone shall bear fair ban duration for what they did..Extending ban duration could be a step.
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Every admin has his own opinion regarding the unban appeal, Carg provided Devil 15 days ban but that doesn't mean other admins should do the same. And I remember that a hacker named AleXanDer[KTP]
got a permenant ban for aimbot as well as JeanCarlos too.
Apart from Aimbot, Black got a 30 days ban for using Damage Mods unknowingly, then aimbot is worse than damage mods why this ?
I don't really understand what you're trying to say.. You say cheaters don't need to be punished equally, and then you complain about cheaters not being punished equally?
It was decided recently that cheaters will be punished equally, depending on what cheats they used. This is to make it fair for everyone. JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and Black were banned before these new procedures were introduced. Also, JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and their friends are an exception because of the fact that it was really hard to determine who was who and so we had to limit their access.
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Every admin has his own opinion regarding the unban appeal, Carg provided Devil 15 days ban but that doesn't mean other admins should do the same. And I remember that a hacker named AleXanDer[KTP]
got a permenant ban for aimbot as well as JeanCarlos too.
Apart from Aimbot, Black got a 30 days ban for using Damage Mods unknowingly, then aimbot is worse than damage mods why this ?
I don't really understand what you're trying to say.. You say cheaters don't need to be punished equally, and then you complain about cheaters not being punished equally?
It was decided recently that cheaters will be punished equally, depending on what cheats they used. This is to make it fair for everyone. JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and Black were banned before these new procedures were introduced.
then your ''new procedures'' that gives an ''Aimbotter'' a ban of 15 days are bad.
hope you undrestand it like this.
we hope you see again this new procedures about ban period.
PS:if it will stay just 15 days;i will install ''aimbot'' and i will rekt ''ege'' :D 2 weeks ban are nothing .
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Every admin has his own opinion regarding the unban appeal, Carg provided Devil 15 days ban but that doesn't mean other admins should do the same. And I remember that a hacker named AleXanDer[KTP]
got a permenant ban for aimbot as well as JeanCarlos too.
Apart from Aimbot, Black got a 30 days ban for using Damage Mods unknowingly, then aimbot is worse than damage mods why this ?
I don't really understand what you're trying to say.. You say cheaters don't need to be punished equally, and then you complain about cheaters not being punished equally?
It was decided recently that cheaters will be punished equally, depending on what cheats they used. This is to make it fair for everyone. JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and Black were banned before these new procedures were introduced. Also, JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and their friends are an exception because of the fact that it was really hard to determine who was who and so we had to limit their access.
Exactly. As uthar said that cheaters will be punished equally depending upon what cheat they have used. Like for the cheats which harmed the server most such as Spawning Vehicles, Trolling players makes the server laggy and ruins the player's gameplay should give players more period of time for ban weather it is their first offence or second no matter.
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Every admin has his own opinion regarding the unban appeal, Carg provided Devil 15 days ban but that doesn't mean other admins should do the same. And I remember that a hacker named AleXanDer[KTP]
got a permenant ban for aimbot as well as JeanCarlos too.
Apart from Aimbot, Black got a 30 days ban for using Damage Mods unknowingly, then aimbot is worse than damage mods why this ?
I don't really understand what you're trying to say.. You say cheaters don't need to be punished equally, and then you complain about cheaters not being punished equally?
It was decided recently that cheaters will be punished equally, depending on what cheats they used. This is to make it fair for everyone. JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and Black were banned before these new procedures were introduced. Also, JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and their friends are an exception because of the fact that it was really hard to determine who was who and so we had to limit their access.
Yes if it's about equally being punished as Jonne stated about Devil and Kaleth then what about Black ? He didn't even use Aimbot but he got 30 days ban. I didn't mention about Alexander and JeanCarlos beacuse they are "exception" case.
The solution will be increase in ban period of both Devil and Kaleth.
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-if he is level1/0 he should get a longer ban period!
As long as i am might be the only one representative of this category, here is my opinion below
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i got the same point
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I've heard about some regular players decided to stop playing in PTP because of that light punishment for a regular player using hack. They are right about to stop playing in a server like when the server staff allows those aimbotters give a change to play again after a short time. Because those aimbotters gained too much with his hacks against other players, they played like that for months, they even showed theirselves like as very pro players. But when those regulars & some admins gave their time to catch them, gave them kill on purpose to prove they are hacking, just for 3 weeks ban is nothing considered to it.
What's worse? The worse is, giving light punishment for those hackers and letting them play again 3 weeks later has no any point. Even I can start to think about using aimbot before I go to holiday. I will make very easy kills, I'll get on best spree, I'll get on topkills, I'll make 5x K/D ratio... Then I'll get ban and go for holiday 3 weeks long, I'll enjoy my life and I'll come back here to keep playing PTP.
This is not equal for other regular players. I don't fucking care the Devil or Kaleth. I don't care the persons,
only we care about punishment and being equal. We are not comparing the regular player hacking from A clan vs regular player hacking B clan. We are comparing the "regular player without cheat" vs "regular player with hack".
What I've been writing up there was about what majority thinks here. This can't be ignored, this can't be just like as "we will think about it". This has to be solved asap. This is the problem of current situation and people are not feeling good. If this problem not getting solved soon, then we will lose regular players in this server while there are still some hackers playing regularly.
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My final view on this topic is , Yes the time of Ban must be increased and his/her account must be deleted , so that the player can start from beginning!
Viva la Cobra!
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I've heard about some regular players decided to stop playing in PTP because of that light punishment for a regular player using hack. They are right about to stop playing in a server like when the server staff allows those aimbotters give a change to play again after a short time. Because those aimbotters gained too much with his hacks against other players, they played like that for months, they even showed theirselves like as very pro players. But when those regulars & some admins gave their time to catch them, gave them kill on purpose to prove they are hacking, just for 3 weeks ban is nothing considered to it.
What's worse? The worse is, giving light punishment for those hackers and letting them play again 3 weeks later has no any point. Even I can start to think about using aimbot before I go to holiday. I will make very easy kills, I'll get on best spree, I'll get on topkills, I'll make 5x K/D ratio... Then I'll get ban and go for holiday 3 weeks long, I'll enjoy my life and I'll come back here to keep playing PTP.
This is not equal for other regular players. I don't fucking care the Devil or Kaleth. I don't care the persons,
only we care about punishment and being equal. We are not comparing the regular player hacking from A clan vs regular player hacking B clan. We are comparing the "regular player without cheat" vs "regular player with hack".
What I've been writing up there was about what majority thinks here. This can't be ignored, this can't be just like as "we will think about it". This has to be solved asap. This is the problem of current situation and people are not feeling good. If this problem not getting solved soon, then we will lose regular players in this server while there are still some hackers playing regularly.
You Right man ! <3333
No 3 weeks Ban !
At least 4-6 months ban.
as i said to Jonne,its look like 70%+ of the server want increase the ban period..
Make if you want.
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Talking about our regulars/VIPS. I'd go with 2 months ban first, then 6 months ban and perm ban at last.
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Talking about our regulars/VIPS. I'd go with 2 months ban first, then 6 months ban and perm ban at last.
Totally supporting this one.
+1
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i totally agree with you aksel. me and my clan mates have had discussions about this.
take kalth for instance, he cheats and does not even get proper punishment.
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When i made this topic i wasnot pointing my finger on Kalth nor any other random latin , some members from other clans are cheating too, and sometimes clan leaders themselves ask some of their trusted members to use cheats so their clan can be stronger(with cheats)!
i don't like the way you guys(Kalth enemies)are trying to use my topic to make his ban period longer bcause you'renot any better than him,srsly nobody's inocent
i really understaned you! but idea behind that was to make banned player's damage equal (X days ban != X days ban + VIP removal) its not a fair equation
Talking about our regulars/VIPS. I'd go with 2 months ban first, then 6 months ban and perm ban at last.
i support this one too
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I think one ban for hacking is okay . If the player hacks again , he should be permanently banned. It is clear that he didn't learn his lesson and hence shouldn't be given any more chances/unban.
2-3 months ban on first offence and then permanent ban(only for hacks)
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When i made this topic i wasnot pointing my finger on Kalth nor any other random latin , some members from other clans are cheating too, and sometimes clan leaders themselves ask some of their trusted members to use cheats so their clan can be stronger(with cheats)!
i don't like the way you guys(Kalth enemies)are trying to use my topic to make his ban period longer bcause you'renot any better than him,srsly nobody's inocent
i really understaned you! but idea behind that was to make banned player's damage equal (X days ban != X days ban + VIP removal) its not a fair equation
Talking about our regulars/VIPS. I'd go with 2 months ban first, then 6 months ban and perm ban at last.
i support this one too
Aksel, we are taking Kaleth and Devil as an example since they are the pending ban appeals. I myself don't care if it's Kaleth or any GgT, using any sort of hacks to gain advantage over any other normal player must lead that person to at least 3 months ban.
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First of all, formally, vips are not paying $$ to abuse shit like sniper-nos etc. They are donating.
If u are donating - u are supporting how the server is working.
If u are supporting - u are taking a responsibility.
More responsibility - more punishment.
But if u think that buying vip gives you only sniper-nos to abuse, but u still should be equal to lvl 0-1, then we are comin` back to my 1st post and my middle finger.
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We once experienced this situation with Sisifo, admins gave him a chance but he got busted twice after the chance given to him. So how can admins be sure or guarantee that the specific person won't use hacks anymire ? It's a waste of time to keep on watching the person, even admins tend to enjoy their time in ptp instead just watching. The hacker will of course not use his hacks or smoothens the hack for some time until the case is forgotten. After that he'll use it again.
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I used to play on an RP server and their banning system was great,1 year ban for regulars/vips for hacks etc,6 months ban for death evade and /sync abuse and etc
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seems like admin are responding to us n now two players got two months ban!
i called it before.Fimpen is the only admin who takes actions against regulars
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seems like admin are responding to us n now two players got two months ban!
i called it before.Fimpen is the only admin who takes actions against regulars
The procedures have been changed, it doesn't have anything to do with Fimpen
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seems like admin are responding to us n now two players got two months ban!
i called it before.Fimpen is the only admin who takes actions against regulars
The procedures have been changed, it doesn't have anything to do with Fimpen
cant you read? i said
i called it before.Fimpen is the only admin who takes actions against regulars
not only fimpen is giving longer ban period
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Thanks to Jonne, he heard us and with other admins joint decisions, we have more longer punishments now.
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Thank you jonne.
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Thank you jonne.
n Aksel D:
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Thx jonne
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Thank you jonne.
n Aksel D:
Sorry forgot to complete the sentence.
Thank you Jonne, Aksel and the staff team.
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Thanks Jonne
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Aksel my new senpai!
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Solved I guess? Locking this..