Author Topic: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs  (Read 21754 times)

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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2017, 05:11:46 pm »
But that 15 days ban for a player who played as a registered player in server for 261 hours, 19 minutes, 30 seconds since 2017-02-08, then that's really unfair and we admins just letting him play again after 2 weeks ban with his aimbot gains like as 4887 kills with 2,79 ratio...
He never mentioned in his appeal that he is sorry for it. He's being so cool about it. If that ratio is made cheating, then that ratio should also be reset.

Its time for some changes.

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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2017, 06:30:42 pm »
He never mentioned in his appeal that he is sorry for it. He's being so cool about it.
Exactly this is what I figured out  in his appeal and something I mentioned in my post.
A cheater knows that he will get unban in few days If he get caught cheating , and this thought won't bother him to stop cheating. Once he will get unbanned he will again playing the same way i.e; cheating.
Cheat -> get ban -> get unban -> repeat.

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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2017, 07:00:44 pm »
Aksel good job.....  Hackers should not get second chance.... Else stop banning ppl for hacks

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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2017, 08:34:23 pm »
Aksel good job.....  Hackers should not get second chance.... Else stop banning ppl for hacks
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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2017, 09:02:59 pm »
100% worthy.. +1

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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2017, 01:39:46 am »
The punishment for cheating( which is not allowed in any game) should be more severe. Whether it is a new player or old(Registered or VIP), the punishment for cheating should be, like Aksel mentioned, longer. The reason to that is simple: cheating is not allowed in any game. Everyone knows that. Also--a longer ban would motivate people not to use hacks. +1

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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2017, 02:31:26 am »
We understand your frustration, these were the punishments we agreed to with admins, in an effort to streamline everything a bit more and to make sure people getting banned for the same offence got the same punishments (for example, if 2 people get banned for death evasion, make sure that one person doesn't get 3 weeks ban while the other person gets only 2 days ban). But I agree that the bans for the worst offences (Aimbots etc) feel a bit short now, especially considering the time we've put into it. On the other hand, if it's the first offence, I do feel they should get a second chance though (just one, there won't be any after that). It also wouldn't be fair to give Kaleth another punishment than Devil, who just got banned for the same thing (They both have 3 weeks ban, Kaleth was banned on 5 May). But as I already stated, we will review our current policies and adapt them based on the input we got here.

Secondly, we won't be removing any VIPs. In PTP, this proved to be a mess. We've had some people that lost their VIP when they got unbanned, but then other people didn't lose it for the same offence, it just mainly depended on Tenshi. We won't be doing that here, the only way you'll lose your VIP is by losing access to your account (being permbanned). Another reason for this is that in PTP we had some trouble with removing VIPs, for example people trying to get their VIP refunded through Paypal after it got taken away (after this incident I think we stopped removing VIPs altogether), so I'd like to avoid disputes with Paypal as well. Also, we won't accept money in return for an unban. If you're permbanned, then that's it. It's not because you have more money than someone else that you should get another chance. Right now, the VIP purchases are enough to cover the costs of the server, so it's not necessary to implement anything like this to generate more money. If it proves not to be sufficient anymore, we'll look for other options to make more money, but it will never be something like this.

And about what they say in their ban appeal, for example if they make up a story or aren't sorry for what they've done, we could have a ban appeal of 3 pages discussing about their story and getting the truth out of them, but we prefer to just give them their punishment based on the facts we have and what rules they broke, and not based on what they say in their unban appeal. Whether it was their friend or a family member or themselves, they are responsible for their account and connection, so they'll get punished. Whether you are sorry or not, you'll still be banned.

About the second suggestion (fake entry), I don't think it should be disallowed. We've been playing with that bug for a long time now, and I don't think there's any need to make the game more restrictive.

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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2017, 08:44:34 am »
As Jonne said,i remember when Tenshi took some kid a VIP,and his dad got mad and he contacted Tenshi lol. He got refunded. That aint good buisness.

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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2017, 10:54:02 am »
We understand your frustration, these were the punishments we agreed to with admins, in an effort to streamline everything a bit more and to make sure people getting banned for the same offence got the same punishments (for example, if 2 people get banned for death evasion, make sure that one person doesn't get 3 weeks ban while the other person gets only 2 days ban). But I agree that the bans for the worst offences (Aimbots etc) feel a bit short now, especially considering the time we've put into it. On the other hand, if it's the first offence, I do feel they should get a second chance though (just one, there won't be any after that). It also wouldn't be fair to give Kaleth another punishment than Devil, who just got banned for the same thing (They both have 3 weeks ban, Kaleth was banned on 5 May). But as I already stated, we will review our current policies and adapt them based on the input we got here.

Secondly, we won't be removing any VIPs. In PTP, this proved to be a mess. We've had some people that lost their VIP when they got unbanned, but then other people didn't lose it for the same offence, it just mainly depended on Tenshi. We won't be doing that here, the only way you'll lose your VIP is by losing access to your account (being permbanned). Another reason for this is that in PTP we had some trouble with removing VIPs, for example people trying to get their VIP refunded through Paypal after it got taken away (after this incident I think we stopped removing VIPs altogether), so I'd like to avoid disputes with Paypal as well. Also, we won't accept money in return for an unban. If you're permbanned, then that's it. It's not because you have more money than someone else that you should get another chance. Right now, the VIP purchases are enough to cover the costs of the server, so it's not necessary to implement anything like this to generate more money. If it proves not to be sufficient anymore, we'll look for other options to make more money, but it will never be something like this.

And about what they say in their ban appeal, for example if they make up a story or aren't sorry for what they've done, we could have a ban appeal of 3 pages discussing about their story and getting the truth out of them, but we prefer to just give them their punishment based on the facts we have and what rules they broke, and not based on what they say in their unban appeal. Whether it was their friend or a family member or themselves, they are responsible for their account and connection, so they'll get punished. Whether you are sorry or not, you'll still be banned.

About the second suggestion (fake entry), I don't think it should be disallowed. We've been playing with that bug for a long time now, and I don't think there's any need to make the game more restrictive.


Jonne, I agree with most of your points here and about the VIP removal. Ok, let's just forget about the CIP removal and focus mainly on the ban dates. Aimbot is one of the worst hacks and the person used it in skin hit is so pathetic. We are wasting our time in collecting some evidences and recording the specific player, no matter if it takes days, weeks, months etc.. and we expect something more than 15 days ban in return for what we did.
I am mot talking about not giving the hacker a chance, I am taking about a longer ban period for those offensive hacks such as Aimbot, health hacks etc..
jonne, my suggestion is just to increase the ban period for hackers who got bannes for Aimbot, no recoil, Health hacks etc.. let it be at least 3 months.
It's simple for them, they will use hacks because they know that they will get unbanned within 15 days or a month, it's just a short break for them.
So simply for the sake of balancing, 3 months ban would be good.
Every admin has his own opinion regarding the unban appeal, Carg provided Devil 15 days ban but that doesn't mean other admins should do the same. And I remember that a hacker named AleXanDer[KTP]
got a permenant ban for aimbot as well as JeanCarlos too.
Apart from Aimbot, Black got a 30 days ban for using Damage Mods unknowingly, then aimbot is worse than damage mods why this ?
I am sorry Jonne but it's so annoying when you see your hard work goes for nothing.

Thank you.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2017, 11:01:32 am by Faro0s »

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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2017, 11:17:41 am »
Jonne,Maybe Remove the vip its not good option as you said,but 2 -3 weeks ban for aimbot ? For player who VIP Know the rules.play so much time in the server?
For me,Player who sue hacks NVM which hack ! Should get 4-5 months ban!

Hard punish make they "Cry" and undersatnd-No hacks in Plan B.
And no,Its not long time(4-5 months)

to be honest? all the players that play in this server know that hacks not allow here...i dont think there are servers on samp that allow hacks...Am i wrong?


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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2017, 01:00:52 pm »
15 days ban for aimbot ?too much Unfair.I got banned earlier for health hack and admin Carg said in my 2nd appeal that hackers get 1 month ban, tho I had more than 2months for evading.
Kaleth shall also bear 1 month ban..He is also a human being..Nothing differs just his activity and VIP  in server.He did many kills with his aimbot as Cobra said above^.Hack is hack..!!
Coming back to the topic, Everyone shall bear fair ban duration for what they did..Extending ban duration could be a step.

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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2017, 01:02:34 pm »
Every admin has his own opinion regarding the unban appeal, Carg provided Devil 15 days ban but that doesn't mean other admins should do the same. And I remember that a hacker named AleXanDer[KTP]
got a permenant ban for aimbot as well as JeanCarlos too.
Apart from Aimbot, Black got a 30 days ban for using Damage Mods unknowingly, then aimbot is worse than damage mods why this ?

I don't really understand what you're trying to say.. You say cheaters don't need to be punished equally, and then you complain about cheaters not being punished equally?

It was decided recently that cheaters will be punished equally, depending on what cheats they used. This is to make it fair for everyone. JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and Black were banned before these new procedures were introduced. Also, JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and their friends are an exception because of the fact that it was really hard to determine who was who and so we had to limit their access.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2017, 01:54:21 pm by Uthar_Smith »


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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2017, 01:57:31 pm »
Every admin has his own opinion regarding the unban appeal, Carg provided Devil 15 days ban but that doesn't mean other admins should do the same. And I remember that a hacker named AleXanDer[KTP]
got a permenant ban for aimbot as well as JeanCarlos too.
Apart from Aimbot, Black got a 30 days ban for using Damage Mods unknowingly, then aimbot is worse than damage mods why this ?

I don't really understand what you're trying to say.. You say cheaters don't need to be punished equally, and then you complain about cheaters not being punished equally?

It was decided recently that cheaters will be punished equally, depending on what cheats they used. This is to make it fair for everyone. JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and Black were banned before these new procedures were introduced.
then your ''new procedures'' that gives an ''Aimbotter'' a ban of 15 days are bad.
hope you undrestand it like this.
we hope you see again this new procedures about ban period.

PS:if it will stay just 15 days;i will install ''aimbot'' and i will rekt ''ege''  :D 2 weeks ban are nothing .

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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2017, 04:16:06 pm »
Every admin has his own opinion regarding the unban appeal, Carg provided Devil 15 days ban but that doesn't mean other admins should do the same. And I remember that a hacker named AleXanDer[KTP]
got a permenant ban for aimbot as well as JeanCarlos too.
Apart from Aimbot, Black got a 30 days ban for using Damage Mods unknowingly, then aimbot is worse than damage mods why this ?

I don't really understand what you're trying to say.. You say cheaters don't need to be punished equally, and then you complain about cheaters not being punished equally?

It was decided recently that cheaters will be punished equally, depending on what cheats they used. This is to make it fair for everyone. JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and Black were banned before these new procedures were introduced. Also, JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and their friends are an exception because of the fact that it was really hard to determine who was who and so we had to limit their access.
Exactly. As uthar said that cheaters will be punished equally depending upon what cheat they have used. Like for the cheats which harmed the server most such as Spawning Vehicles,  Trolling players makes the server laggy and ruins the player's gameplay should give players more period of time for ban weather it is their first offence or second no matter.


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Re: Suggestion to fix rules and ingame bugs
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2017, 10:06:31 pm »
Every admin has his own opinion regarding the unban appeal, Carg provided Devil 15 days ban but that doesn't mean other admins should do the same. And I remember that a hacker named AleXanDer[KTP]
got a permenant ban for aimbot as well as JeanCarlos too.
Apart from Aimbot, Black got a 30 days ban for using Damage Mods unknowingly, then aimbot is worse than damage mods why this ?

I don't really understand what you're trying to say.. You say cheaters don't need to be punished equally, and then you complain about cheaters not being punished equally?

It was decided recently that cheaters will be punished equally, depending on what cheats they used. This is to make it fair for everyone. JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and Black were banned before these new procedures were introduced. Also, JeanCarlos, AleXanDer and their friends are an exception because of the fact that it was really hard to determine who was who and so we had to limit their access.

Yes if it's about equally being punished as Jonne stated about Devil and Kaleth then what about Black ? He didn't even use Aimbot but he got 30 days ban. I didn't mention about Alexander and JeanCarlos beacuse they are "exception" case.

The solution will be increase in ban period of both Devil and Kaleth.

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