Plan B
General => Suggestions => Closed => Topic started by: Altus_Demens on June 17, 2017, 01:28:25 am
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Hi there,
we had a topic called "Unban Key (https://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=1712)" recently. It contained an extremely dubious idea of granting rich kids persons an ability to drop their ban immediately. But fortunately Jonne said "I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love (https://youtu.be/aTsx7qBjd2E)" and the topic was closed... Indeed, I wouldn't be able to love a server which was made for making money instead of trying to build little gaming idylly on the Internet.
Anyways, a nice, rational and old idea was expressed there by YoMama:
I don't like the unban key idea, but I do like the idea of chronic offenders having to buy their VIP back. It would accomplish the same thing, while not giving the wealthier players the ability to flaunt server rules.
Long ago I've got a thought of another kind of the "unban key". I thought that persons who are getting banned the second (or more) time should pay (say, half of VIP status cost) after the decision about their unban is made and the unban date has come, but before being actually unbanned. It would be like a compensation for the offence towards the server and the whole community...
But my idea would cause injustice. Not everyone has money for games, not everyone has access to any sort of online wallets. Removing VIP status is different: if a person bought it once, it wouldn't be too devastating to pay once again. My point is that the punishment for hacking should be real and sensitive. It shouldn't only be discouraging and dangerous beind a hacker - it should be shameful, publicly censured. It should be considered indecent and vile to use hacks against the others. Unfortunately, we're too far away (https://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=1681.msg14863#msg14863) from that yet.
Anyways, what do you think?
Thank you.
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I thought that persons who are getting banned the second (or more) time should pay (say, half of VIP status cost) after the decision about their unban is made and the unban date has come, but before being actually unbanned. It would be like a compensation for the offence towards the server and the whole community...
There were 2-3 VIP's being unbanned a while ago after remaining (permanent) banned for 6+ months (even after admins decided they won't be playing here again). IMO It would be good if these kinds of punishments are implemented in this case.
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After 2nd serious offense/ban, remove the VIP status of the offender in addition to banning him for 6+ months
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The idea is good, it will decrease the number hackers.
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in the 2nd ban remove his vip + 6monthes punishment
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+1
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Dude, I don't like reading essays.. ;D You would have just compressed your main topic instead of moving on to another thread "Unban key". :)
I am not sure how it works.Neutral for now ;D
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The Punishment system has been changed lately , this is what I noticed. BUT I still think this is not enough and I'm completely agree with this point of Altus -- "Reset level to 1 if a VIP has got banned for hacking". We know there are still many VIPs who get unbanned and after playing a couple of hours they enable their cheats like a Boss because they're so used to it and can't play without it. At the same time they also know that somehow they will get unban in the end If they get caught and banned again.
VIPs are the players who have been playing PTP for more than a year , they know everything about PTP rules so If they choose to play with cheats then it is completely their fault and they should be strictly Punished accordingly. I'm 100% sure that If they lose their VIP status as punishment then half of them will automatically stopped cheating. They can't play without cheats but they can't play without VIP level as well.
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The idea is good, it will decrease the number hackers.
+1 as Drunken said, it will makes server clean of regular cheaters and rulebreakers.
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-1 dont change it its already fine,ppl pay to be vip and if u mean theyre acc will reset to level 1 when they use hack or get banned.if u mean ths u should take back ppls money who has already payed cuz 20 ero isnt less money and 4 some ppls its hard to pay
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Warn him about losing his VIP status on the first offense, then remove his VIP status next time he does it again
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I think removing VIP for those rulebreakers are not the solution. Since we are talking about Regular VIP Rulebreakers; they are not gonna stop playing or hacking for being in level 1. Actually I think this thing will more like provocate them to silly hacking.
I think real solution is reset their stats. Once VIP regular player hacks like as some silly ones (Aim hacks, damage mod, lag.cs etc), then they have to be ready to lost their stats. That's my personal opinion..
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First of all,you talking here about Reset VIP after couple of chances,I dont understand why you give hackers chances.
Hacker is Hacker.
-Player who hack in the first time his punishment - 3 Months ban or 4 (VIP Or Not) , Reset his VIP & Reset his Stats.
The reset punishemnt wont give nothing if You-Admins Keep give chances for hackers.
as i say all the time Big & Hard Punishment Will make this server good.
Stop give hackers another chances! ! !
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''Minor punishments" like bug abusing,and death evading etc should not be considered in removing VIP.
But hacking,i'm down for it. If a VIP player is cheating,make him regret so bad.
Supporting your idea. +1
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Stop this, it's all bullshit. I think this is good :
First ban- Give them 1 more chance.
Ban 2- Take their VIP for 6 months(Best way)
Ban 3- Have fun in your home :D
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Just leave it as it now
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I also support this suggestion. Donating is a way to support the server whilst also gaining VIP as a direct result. When a player decides to start hacking, he is no longer interested in reinforcing the server and acts against the community.
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Stop this, it's all bullshit. I think this is good :
First ban- Give them 1 more chance.
Ban 2- Take their VIP for 6 months(Best way)
Ban 3- Have fun in your home :D
To Much chances...
First ban ,3-4 Months out + Reset VIP & Stats
Hack again? Perm Ban.
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Stop this, it's all bullshit. I think this is good :
First ban- Give them 1 more chance.
Ban 2- Take their VIP for 6 months(Best way)
Ban 3- Have fun in your home :D
To Much chances...
First ban ,3-4 Months out + Reset VIP & Stats
Hack again? Perm Ban.
Thats too strict :C
All those who are agreeing with Altus's decide, are the one who will regret this afterwards :C
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As much as I support the first option, I have to say that it could be a problem for Jonne himself. He could get in troubles with with Paypal, due to the contract..
Edit: Maybe changing the terms could solve this, so there will be no issues with them.
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TL;DR: I agree with Altus.
VIPs who dare to disobey the Sacred rule of playing without hacks should not be VIPs. My vote is for the first option. I wish there was a pillory to chain them to so everyone could throw rotten vegetables at them!
P.S. Nine VIP hackers have voted for the fourth option!
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TL;DR: I agree with Altus.
VIPs who dare to disobey the Sacred rule of playing without hacks should not be VIPs. My vote is for the first option. I wish there was a pillory to chain them to so everyone could throw rotten vegetables at them!
P.S. Nine VIP hackers have voted for the fourth option!
Have access to admin cp or what?
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I think removing VIP for those rulebreakers are not the solution. Since we are talking about Regular VIP Rulebreakers; they are not gonna stop playing or hacking for being in level 1. Actually I think this thing will more like provocate them to silly hacking.
I don't see why it would- they'll lose money if they hack, and they'll lose their precious sniper.
I think real solution is reset their stats. Once VIP regular player hacks like as some silly ones (Aim hacks, damage mod, lag.cs etc), then they have to be ready to lost their stats. That's my personal opinion..
I like the idea to reset the stats, wish I'd thought of it.
When a player decides to start hacking, he... ...acts against the community.
I feel like hacking is almost a norm here at this point, at least among a lot of people whose nicks include the characters '[' and ']'. It often reminds me of doping in cycling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling). These people have mastered the art of flying under the radar with their cheating- it's always interesting to see certain players' aim improve markedly when admins aren't around, or in a critical moment. I wouldn't doubt that they learn from their more-experienced clanmates. If they get caught, they've probably been doing it for a while after learning from a pro.
Some of you might complain that I'm being hard on clans, but take a look at which clans haven't ejected members for hacking, and you'll see where problems lie. I don't want to single any of them out since they all seem to do it (with few exceptions), but if your clan leaders are getting banned without any punishment within the clan, you have a fucking problem. If the bullshit alliances between clans aren't being dissolved when one of the clans' members are repeatedly getting caught, you also have a fucking problem.
If you give them a slap on the wrist for doing it, they'll just adapt and be harder to catch the next time. If you wipe out their status, then they might not consider it worth the risk.
To the hopped-up dipshits with inferiority complexes who hack discreetly enough to become "members of the community": a lot of people aren't as dumb as you think they are. They might have strong suspicions that you hack, but they aren't going to go after you until they know for sure. They're just better people, and more fair than you are.
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Amen to that
I don't know about the feasibility of this suggestion though, especially with regard to PayPal's refund policy.
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I don't know about the feasibility of this suggestion though, especially with regard to PayPal's refund policy.
According to what I have seen, it wouldn't be a problem. Just read carefully our terms and PayPal refund guidelines. It would be practically impossible to refund money in case of removing VIP status along with a ban.
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-Player who hack in the first time his punishment - 3 Months ban or 4 (VIP Or Not) , Reset his VIP & Reset his Stats.
+1
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-Player who hack in the first time his punishment - 3 Months ban or 4 (VIP Or Not) , Reset his VIP & Reset his Stats.
+1
I was suggested 3 months ban time, but it's now 2 months long (thanks god it's not 3 weeks atleast).. But Resetting his stats & removing his VIP would be also good!
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I'm not a VIP I got no - say here
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I'm not a VIP I got no - say here
If the player not VIP we can reset his stats...
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I'm not a VIP I got no - say here
If the player not VIP we can reset his stats...
Non VIP players basically don't play for stats if they cared, they would have bought the vip
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-Player who hack in the first time his punishment - 3 Months ban or 4 (VIP Or Not) , Reset his VIP & Reset his Stats.
+1
I was suggested 3 months ban time, but it's now 2 months long (thanks god it's not 3 weeks atleast).. But Resetting his stats & removing his VIP would be also good!
https://jonne.be/forum/index.php?topic=1750.0
4 weeks Ban...
System Changed? Maybe :) LOL
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The idea of removing VIP from hacking players might sound cruel, but thats how it should be. It must be cruel for making people think about the consequences before hacking.
This topic has a good point.
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First of all,you talking here about Reset VIP after couple of chances,I dont understand why you give hackers chances.
Hacker is Hacker.
-Player who hack in the first time his punishment - 3 Months ban or 4 (VIP Or Not) , Reset his VIP & Reset his Stats.
The reset punishemnt wont give nothing if You-Admins Keep give chances for hackers.
as i say all the time Big & Hard Punishment Will make this server good.
Stop give hackers another chances! ! !
+1 With IDAN..
If Jonne doesn't care about money, unfortunately some of us also doesn't care about Money and Stats too, including me ... So I agree with IDAN
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First of all,you talking here about Reset VIP after couple of chances,I dont understand why you give hackers chances.
Hacker is Hacker.
-Player who hack in the first time his punishment - 3 Months ban or 4 (VIP Or Not) , Reset his VIP & Reset his Stats.
The reset punishemnt wont give nothing if You-Admins Keep give chances for hackers.
as i say all the time Big & Hard Punishment Will make this server good.
Stop give hackers another chances! ! !
+1 With IDAN..
If Jonne doesn't care about money, unfortunately some of us also doesn't care about Money and Stats too, including me ... So I agree with IDAN
I totally agree with IDAN
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Punishing vips?
You do not punish retards, you put them into mental hospital.
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Please stick to the rules!
• No fights or harassment
- Argue a point in a respectful manner
These rules are here so everyone can enjoy using this forum, anyone who breaks these rules will be punished with repeat offenders being removed from the forum.
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Leave vips alone
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Leave vips alone
What you mean?
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The punishments we have right now for hacking, should rest like that and we could include "removing vip" for Level 2 players. Yeah, hacking should be punished exactly like that!!
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+1 i love the idea
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No look at the Terms
"Once purchased, you stay VIP forever. It cannot be taken away and it cannot be transferred to another account.
Being VIP does not distinguish you from other regular members, that means you will be treated the same. If you break rules, you will get banned. If you get permanently banned, you will lose access to your account and thus to the VIP tied to it. Also, being permanently banned means you are no longer eligible for a refund on your purchase."
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Em, khm. Do you realise that some part of "ptp`s vip community" do not taking part of this conversation.
Dont you think that we should ask them because mainly, well, they are the subject of this topic?
I am not pointing at none, just saying.
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No look at the Terms
"Once purchased, you stay VIP forever. It cannot be taken away and it cannot be transferred to another account.
Being VIP does not distinguish you from other regular members, that means you will be treated the same. If you break rules, you will get banned. If you get permanently banned, you will lose access to your account and thus to the VIP tied to it. Also, being permanently banned means you are no longer eligible for a refund on your purchase."
You got a point here. If Level 2 Players cant be removed from their VIP's for hacking, then they should be perm banned. If someoe is mature enough to buy VIP, then he is definitifly mature enough to understand the rule:,,Do not hack!"
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No look at the Terms
"Once purchased, you stay VIP forever. It cannot be taken away and it cannot be transferred to another account.
Being VIP does not distinguish you from other regular members, that means you will be treated the same. If you break rules, you will get banned. If you get permanently banned, you will lose access to your account and thus to the VIP tied to it. Also, being permanently banned means you are no longer eligible for a refund on your purchase."
So lets make a change?
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Definitely going with the first option.
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No look at the Terms
"Once purchased, you stay VIP forever. It cannot be taken away and it cannot be transferred to another account.
Being VIP does not distinguish you from other regular members, that means you will be treated the same. If you break rules, you will get banned. If you get permanently banned, you will lose access to your account and thus to the VIP tied to it. Also, being permanently banned means you are no longer eligible for a refund on your purchase."
I scrolled over the whole topic, noticed several suggestions with agreement and disagreement but finally found something that actually makes sense. It simple and straight Terms & Conditions for Vip membership.
Vips offers you advantages over the gameplay with various commands but it has nothing to do with the ban period. A Vip should be treated as a normal player and the same rules should be applied on them.
It would be a little bit worthless to remove a player's VIP due to his actions in-game as there are no conditions that says so. At first, I don't see why 'VIP' is so called a highlighted problem in this community after-all its all a business deal - You pay for server security, and get special commands in exchange. I feel no such special treatments or rules should be setup for them. They are as normal as other players and their 'BAN' and 'VIP' has nothing to do in relation.
If a player buys Vip, he expects that the vip membership will be tagged with himself and will not get removed the next day just because he broke some rules.
It would be a good idea to reset stats or roll them back if player is banned for aimbot or some other cheats that gives advantage over kills and ratio but removing vip will just decrease the amount of players who are willing to buy vip by working their ass off harder and getting banned next day due to their some silly mistakes.
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I doubt it's possible to change the terms for players who already have Vip.
But yeah, for new players it's 100% possible.
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No look at the Terms
"Once purchased, you stay VIP forever. It cannot be taken away and it cannot be transferred to another account.
Being VIP does not distinguish you from other regular members, that means you will be treated the same. If you break rules, you will get banned. If you get permanently banned, you will lose access to your account and thus to the VIP tied to it. Also, being permanently banned means you are no longer eligible for a refund on your purchase."
I scrolled over the whole topic, noticed several suggestions with agreement and disagreement but finally found something that actually makes sense. It simple and straight Terms & Conditions for Vip membership.
Vips offers you advantages over the gameplay with various commands but it has nothing to do with the ban period. A Vip should be treated as a normal player and the same rules should be applied on them.
It would be a little bit worthless to remove a player's VIP due to his actions in-game as there are no conditions that says so. At first, I don't see why 'VIP' is so called a highlighted problem in this community after-all its all a business deal - You pay for server security, and get special commands in exchange. I feel no such special treatments or rules should be setup for them. They are as normal as other players and their 'BAN' and 'VIP' has nothing to do in relation.
If a player buys Vip, he expects that the vip membership will be tagged with himself and will not get removed the next day just because he broke some rules.
It would be a good idea to reset stats or roll them back if player is banned for aimbot or some other cheats that gives advantage over kills and ratio but removing vip will just decrease the amount of players who are willing to buy vip by working their ass off harder and getting banned next day due to their some silly mistakes.
I think this sums up the whole topic, you can't simply change the terms. Many players buy VIP for this reason and you cant make sudden changes.
Peace
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No look at the Terms
"Once purchased, you stay VIP forever. It cannot be taken away and it cannot be transferred to another account.
Being VIP does not distinguish you from other regular members, that means you will be treated the same. If you break rules, you will get banned. If you get permanently banned, you will lose access to your account and thus to the VIP tied to it. Also, being permanently banned means you are no longer eligible for a refund on your purchase."
I scrolled over the whole topic, noticed several suggestions with agreement and disagreement but finally found something that actually makes sense. It simple and straight Terms & Conditions for Vip membership.
Vips offers you advantages over the gameplay with various commands but it has nothing to do with the ban period. A Vip should be treated as a normal player and the same rules should be applied on them.
It would be a little bit worthless to remove a player's VIP due to his actions in-game as there are no conditions that says so. At first, I don't see why 'VIP' is so called a highlighted problem in this community after-all its all a business deal - You pay for server security, and get special commands in exchange. I feel no such special treatments or rules should be setup for them. They are as normal as other players and their 'BAN' and 'VIP' has nothing to do in relation.
If a player buys Vip, he expects that the vip membership will be tagged with himself and will not get removed the next day just because he broke some rules.
It would be a good idea to reset stats or roll them back if player is banned for aimbot or some other cheats that gives advantage over kills and ratio but removing vip will just decrease the amount of players who are willing to buy vip by working their ass off harder and getting banned next day due to their some silly mistakes.
I think this sums up the whole topic, you can't simply change the terms. Many players buy VIP for this reason and you cant make sudden changes.
Peace
Why not ? It's just about changing/editing the punishment.
Idc if some agree or disgree, the main fact is that
you shouldnt hack!
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Personally any VIP banned should be demoted to Level 1 after they get banned for anything, got too many tryhards donating for other tryhards these days.
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Personally any VIP banned should be demoted to Level 1 after they get banned for anything, got too many tryhards donating for other tryhards these days.
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I think staff should discuss about changing the terms already
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Personally any VIP banned should be demoted to Level 1 after they get banned for anything, got too many tryhards donating for other tryhards these days.
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I think staff should discuss about changing the terms already
They said they changed the Period of bans, and i still see Hackers that ban for only 3-4 weeks...
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I don't know but removing VIP for a periode of time,1 month or so plus few weeks ban is good,I had banned for 15 days and they took my vip for a month in the old server for ramming lacerta at the civ spawn, I know its a shitty reason but the VIP removale was good.
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I actually want hackers to get banned permanently. Why is that not in the discussion?
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I don't know but removing VIP for a periode of time,1 month or so plus few weeks ban is good,I had banned for 15 days and they took my vip for a month in the old server for ramming lacerta at the civ spawn, I know its a shitty reason but the VIP removale was good.
This aint old PTP bro,there is no "Lacerta the drug dealer" this time. The ban has increased,and i agree with your suggestion. If VIP player cheats,his VIP should be removed permamently.
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I think staff should discuss about changing the terms already
I speak for myself and myself only most of the time.
They said they changed the Period of bans, and i still see Hackers that ban for only 3-4 weeks...
You should discuss that with Jonne. I'm not in charge of that but I do support a longer punishment for anyone.
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+1
GREAT IDEA,
BUT,
GIVING MONEY FOR UNBAN IS SENSELESS
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No look at the Terms
Yes, look at the terms:
Being VIP does not distinguish you from other regular members, that means you will be treated the same. If you break rules, you will get banned. If you get permanently banned, you will lose access to your account and thus to the VIP tied to it. Also, being permanently banned means you are no longer eligible for a refund on your purchase.
Since perm-bans, in effect, take away VIP status (your account is no longer accessible) , "once purchased, you stay VIP forever" isn't really the case. The Supreme Court of YoMama would rule that this allows for taking away VIP with a ban, but it's ultimately up to Jonne.
Even if Jonne does not wish to interpret the rules this way or change the terms, many of our VIPs, including myself, were generously given VIP because they had it in Tenshi's server, not because they agreed to the terms and donated to Jonne's server. They wouldn't be magically protected by the terms.
If someoe is mature enough to buy VIP, then he is definitifly mature enough to understand the rule:,,Do not hack!"
"Mature" and "VIP" seem misplaced in a general statement together. Quick, let's take this to the VIP section of the forum so the plebs don't have a say!
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Personally any VIP banned should be demoted to Level 1 after they get banned for anything, got too many tryhards donating for other tryhards these days.
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I think staff should discuss about changing the terms already
They said they changed the Period of bans, and i still see Hackers that ban for only 3-4 weeks...
And just 3 days ban for someone who keeps death evading even after warnings. Great
@wuzi, hackers get banned only after 2nd offence. And a permanent ban is like a 6 months ban here. I guess you meant a perm ban at 1st offence?
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Personally any VIP banned should be demoted to Level 1 after they get banned for anything, got too many tryhards donating for other tryhards these days.
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I think staff should discuss about changing the terms already
They said they changed the Period of bans, and i still see Hackers that ban for only 3-4 weeks...
And just 3 days ban for someone who keeps death evading even after warnings. Great
The 3 days ban is not a punishment but rather it looks like a gap given to the players to keep them off the server.
A ban should be permitted when player has crossed his limits and should be punished by giving an interval of time to make them learn from their mistakes with time. Banning players for 3 days doesn't make sense at all.
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The 3 days ban is not a punishment but rather it looks like a gap given to the players to keep them off the server.
A ban should be permitted when player has crossed his limits and should be punished by giving an interval of time to make them learn from their mistakes with time. Banning players for 3 days doesn't make sense at all.
And the fact that our pal who got 3 days ban also evaded his ban. Which makes it more hilarious. Yes, a longer period is definitely needed.
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Easy punish make Player rule break again or hack again.
This topic waste of time they wont do nothing with that...
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First of all, as someone already pointed out, our terms state that your VIP can't be taken away from your account. As with the discussion on taking away fast skins, we can't just retroactively change the terms and conditions for something you have already paid for. The terms just state the (obvious) fact that if you lose access to your account, you also lose access to the VIP tied to it. Because of this, we won't be adding this as a punishment.
We've had this for a time in the old PTP, and there it already proved to be not a good way of punishing, until Tenshi even forbade a couple of years ago. It was too inconsistent, some people got banned for something and lost their VIP, others got banned for the same thing and didn't lose their VIP. I think the reason he forbade it was because he got in trouble with PayPal because of it. So there's also that to keep in mind.
But, my main point against this form of punishment (in my opinion), is that VIPs should be treated the same as a normal player. This works in one way (VIPs not getting a preferential treatment), but I think it should also work in the other way (for example, VIPs not getting a worse punishment than a normal player). I don't see any reason a person should grt a different treatment, better or worse, just because he paid for a VIP account. Some VIPs are very regular players and have played here longer than anyone else, but some VIPs are new players and buy VIP within a week of playing. There are also regulars that have been playing here longer than anyone else, but aren't VIP, either by choice or by constraints. If they break the rules, we can't take anything away, so should they get a better treatment and a different punishment just because they aren't VIP? You could say that, because they've already bought VIP, they probably have enough money to buy it again. And yes, for some people that might be true, but for others it might be a big purchase and they might not have the means to buy it again. So, all in all, I think there should be an equal treatment for all players, and being VIP or not shouldn't influence that.