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Offline Yash

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2017, 05:25:15 am »
Stop making the gameplay more difficult for the President and maybe try to stick with President and not to roam around in order to rescue people or hunting terrorists.
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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2017, 05:59:24 am »
Stop making the gameplay more difficult for the President and maybe try to stick with President and not to roam around in order to rescue people or hunting terrorists.
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I wish it were that case Yash, but there is a problem. Some choose to do something about it and some don't. Thus, we must find a solution to push security members into protecting the president. Also, it is not difficult but it depends if you have a security team that is effective. It's not that difficult when security actually does their duty. Keep in mind that this is not a problem that happens once or twice throughout the day. This problem happens EVERY SINGLE ROUND. This is a problem unless you are butt-buddies with a lot of decent players. If not, you're screwed. 

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2017, 01:23:43 pm »
Just Bumping so this doesn't get buried.
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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2017, 12:35:14 pm »
No, -1

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2017, 01:04:08 pm »
Very interesting suggestion, because president is THE MAN among A MEN on the server. He is above everyone.
But your system is too complicated. You do not need a "points", "distance" and everything else. You just need to give president an option to kick everyone, because no metter how good your system will be (and ur system is not good), you can not catch all situations. If you will play more ptp you will find out that sometimes you need to be very very far away from president to be useful. So, no need to hold a "distance".

Another thing that i want you to think about that you do not suggest us to change the rules. Your suggestion is all about to add a "system". And if you will read the rules from the server (where you are a mod by the way) you will see that your "system" is gonna break that rules. There is not a single word about that "300 meters" distance, so why do i lose that "points" if i am not breaking any rules? Another question is why you think that you need to force security to be "close" to the president, if the very simple rule is telling you that president can send you to another part of the map?

Regular players should never have such powers that directly affects others' gameplay as there's a high posibility that it will be abused.
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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2017, 04:41:52 pm »

Regular players should never have such powers that directly affects others' gameplay as there's a high posibility that it will be abused.
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Can i ask you why mods and admins have that right, right to "affects others` gameplay"?
Because they're picked by the management and they're obligated to use that right only to provide a fair gameplay for everyone. If you think any staff member is using those rights in a bad way, you can simply report him/her. But looking at the shitload of essays you've been posting recently, you won't be pleased with it.

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2017, 03:51:41 pm »
This is a good suggestion, and with all of the discussion around the duty rule, we've been looking for alternatives to 'solve' the rule. However, I'm not sure if this would be a good solution. For example, if the president is new and hasn't played the game before, he probably won't know about these commands, and thus won't be using them. Or if he'd use them, he'd probably just be copying what people are telling him to do. If the president is a regular, I feel it would mostly be used to kick new people out of the security team and replace them by their friends. Both of these examples won't have an effect on enforcing /duty, and on top of that it might deter people from staying, since the security class is one of the more 'attractive' classes, and I think that plays a big role in why people keep coming back.

I think basing it on a point system is a good start, and maybe we should expand on that and link it with incentives and rewards, to encourage people to do their duty, instead of punishing them when they aren't. I'm not sure how exactly we would implement this, but I feel a scoring/rating system together with rewards could possibly be a better solution.

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2017, 06:53:43 pm »
If jonne thinks its a good idea by keeping the scoring system in mind then I think we got something that can help players to do duty happily but we cant figure out how we can!!

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2017, 07:47:26 pm »
This is a good suggestion, and with all of the discussion around the duty rule, we've been looking for alternatives to 'solve' the rule. However, I'm not sure if this would be a good solution. For example, if the president is new and hasn't played the game before, he probably won't know about these commands, and thus won't be using them. Or if he'd use them, he'd probably just be copying what people are telling him to do. If the president is a regular, I feel it would mostly be used to kick new people out of the security team and replace them by their friends. Both of these examples won't have an effect on enforcing /duty, and on top of that it might deter people from staying, since the security class is one of the more 'attractive' classes, and I think that plays a big role in why people keep coming back.

I think basing it on a point system is a good start, and maybe we should expand on that and link it with incentives and rewards, to encourage people to do their duty, instead of punishing them when they aren't. I'm not sure how exactly we would implement this, but I feel a scoring/rating system together with rewards could possibly be a better solution.

No No No...

Player who play here must know that each class he have to follow /duty we don't need give prices or Reward to player that follow about something he must to do....
Only punish will solve this problem people new must read rule when the register the server.

Every player have to follow rules,He dont do it? Re-class again? -ban for week. again? ban 1 month.

Only hard punishment will solve this problem.

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2017, 02:20:37 am »
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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2017, 04:21:41 am »
Maybe we can add stats like president saved,Best Securities or something. You can get points if the president survived the map, but you cant use /rc s after 6-4mins to prevent abused.

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2017, 09:47:08 am »
No No No...

Player who play here must know that each class he have to follow /duty we don't need give prices or Reward to player that follow about something he must to do....
Only punish will solve this problem people new must read rule when the register the server.

Every player have to follow rules,He dont do it? Re-class again? -ban for week. again? ban 1 month.

Only hard punishment will solve this problem.


Why use punishment when you can solve the problem in a way that is beneficial to everybody? Punishment has been proven to be ineffective many times. This is because punishment (at least in this case) serves as symptom management; it's a tool to fight the symptoms of this problem, but the actual problem still persists. Furthermore:
- We need 24/7 admin coverage to make sure we are consequent
- The rule is vague and everyone will have a different interpretation, causing a lot of unwanted drama and unneeded bad things like players being banned because they happened to have a different interpretation of the rule than the admin online
-If we do this, we can expect another crisis like the armor camping one


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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2017, 12:31:46 pm »
No No No...

Player who play here must know that each class he have to follow /duty we don't need give prices or Reward to player that follow about something he must to do....
Only punish will solve this problem people new must read rule when the register the server.

Every player have to follow rules,He dont do it? Re-class again? -ban for week. again? ban 1 month.

Only hard punishment will solve this problem.


Why use punishment when you can solve the problem in a way that is beneficial to everybody? Punishment has been proven to be ineffective many times. This is because punishment (at least in this case) serves as symptom management; it's a tool to fight the symptoms of this problem, but the actual problem still persists. Furthermore:
- We need 24/7 admin coverage to make sure we are consequent
- The rule is vague and everyone will have a different interpretation, causing a lot of unwanted drama and unneeded bad things like players being banned because they happened to have a different interpretation of the rule than the admin online
-If we do this, we can expect another crisis like the armor camping one

Man that come to troll why you think he cares about Rewards?
Waste of time this system will cost.

Give reward to people who must do their /duty its kind of bullshit.
You don't follow the duty? Ban - and sorry to say it - after 1 ban or 2 or 3 he will learn to follow duty trust me.

I didn't see admin punish person about  unfollow duty - so how you know that wont work?

You said that admins need to be 24/7 online that's bullshit, - you have a lot of Mod's.

idk why you decide that Mod's cant ban aimbot - and cant re-class man who don't /duty (in this topic its good option).

Go comon, i want to see this system work...i want to see how people that new and troll they put shit on this system.

as i said everytime in this server the punishment make to laugh while aimbotter get only 2 months ban. and others hacks 1 month.

GL with this system of reward, i don't think its work.

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2017, 02:46:40 pm »
No, this is not a good idea because some regulars think that all newbie securities are a basket of retards.

Better than depending on those useless securities.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2017, 03:07:34 pm by Judah »

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Re: President's Power to Remove Security
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2017, 04:39:26 pm »
-1 President does not need such powers