SoLoD, then leave your personal hate behind too and listen to what I want to say.
Nobody hates you. I don't, yet I strongly discourage the way you act. In fact, I am sad that you have changed this way, you were different when we communicated the first here - don't you remember? You are a mature guy, so you perfectly understand what you're doing. You are not really trying to change something this way: you provoke, you want to attract attention to yourself (and it works), you do it in such an irritating and disrespectful way that the discussion on the substance is nearly impossible.
If you really want to change something, please, do two things:
1. Post
here all the modifications and additions to the rules that you consider necessary;
2. Start a topic and write down your thoughts about how to rework the security duty thing.
It would be much more productive if we initiate an adequate discussions there. I agree with you at some points. Don't be just an empty barrel which sounds louder ("Пустая бочка пуще гремит"). Now, since you changed your tone to a more adequate one, I am willing to give a few remarks to a few thesises.
Security and /dutyI agree that for now it is the biggest fault in our rules. We can't just remove it, because the president will always be unprotected then, but we have to redo everything. Personally, I was both the player who was wrongfully blamed in not following duty and the admin who issued wrongful punishments about this matter. Although, when I realised my mistake, I gave my apologies to players, I felt myself very ashamed. Yes, the admins have the biggest freedom of interpretation here and it was wrong. Enough shit slingling, damn it! Let's suggest something productive. Start a discussion. A lot of smart people play here. We'll figure out a nice solution.
The Spawnkilling rule• No teamshooting / spawnkilling
- Use /colours & /duty ingame, to understand which teams are friendly. You are not allowed to help the opposing team in any way. Do not block or stun your own teammates so the other team can kill them.
- Once you lose your spawn protection, you can be killed inside or outside your spawn as the spawn zone is not a safe zone. No damage can be done to players inside the spawn zone who have spawn protection.
Personally, I don't see no problems here. It is impossible to deal damage to the person who is under the spawn protection. We have another scriptwise restriction: you can't deal damage with ranged weapons if you are under the spawn protection youself. But it is a different thing! I don't see a contradiction here. As I said many times, I like the tendention of preventing the possibility of rulebreaking rather than punishing for the consequences. The soulless script is equally fair to everyone. Ideally, the rulebreaking would be totally impossible, and no admins nor bans would be needed.
The Rules in generalYou shouldn't confuse the rules and the laws. We have the rules here, which is rather like a set of the descriptive statements about what is allowed and what is not; they don't have, and they shouldn't be juridically correct. Yes, the administrative system we have here kinda reflects the one of a real society, but it cannot be accurate; in fact, the reflection is very, very distorted. It is a primitive version of the social contract. Jonne is the server owner, he holds no obligations before anyone, technically he can do whatever he wants, especially since it is a non-commercial project. If you want - you play here. If you don't want - you don't play, easy as a pie, there are no obligations or enforcement from any side. But if Jonne starts to act shitty, the amount of players who want to stay here would drastically decrease. So, the very basic scheme of relations here is: Jonne and the community agree upon the set of rules that should be followed. Also, the community delegates Jonne the right of choosing admins, who are, in turn, guarantee that the rules will be respected. So yes, the rules are rather like waypoints for all, for the administration and the players. In the end, the admins determine the limits of applicability of the rules in a narrow range. The only rule that doesn't fit this definition so far is the duty rule. This model would never work in any real society, but, as for me, it is quite viable in such community as ours.
You asked why the rules are not written according to the principle of constitution (not a quote). The answer is quite simple. First, it is too much of an ungrateful job, you'll need to spend a lot of time, efforts and dedication to write something like juridically correct laws. Second, since everyone holds the 'civil responsibility', we should assume that everyone will read and follow those rules, which is, at least, unrealistic. Third, the laws have no sence without judiciary (such as in Wikipedia), and it is impossible to deploy it here, because you won't find enough mature, sane-minded persons with that much free time here. That's why most of the internet projects have rules, not laws.
Admins, mods and responsibilityIrresponsible administration would utterly ruin the aforementioned system. Our administration is far away from being perfect
absolutely, but
relatively I have barely met a better one on other Internet projects; I wouldn't join the team on the old server, I can't work with people I disrespect.
I don't remember the situations when the admins
actually abused and it was left unattended.
I
theoretically agree about mods. As for me, the bar should be set higher. I witnessed the unprofessional attitude from them. After I got promoted, thankfully I have got more options to prevent any bad episodes. But
at this moment, the mods team is competent and professional.
The freedom of speechIt is a double-edged blade. It cannot be selective. It is either for everyone, or it is not a
freedom.
You all know my relation to trash-talking etc. But I am totally for the freedom of speech. We are not in the School for Noble Maidens, we are in the Internet, if you don't like someone saying something, ignore him.
When an admin doesn't use his extended admins' capabilities, his actions shouldn't be treated as admins' actions. In these terms, he has the same right to talk shit as any other player on the server. When it comes along with his duties though, it is inacceptable.
P.S. Ok, seeing the latest posts, it wasn't worth it to reply here. I am still hope that we'll have any constructive discussion(s) after this emotional burst.
